eption of the characters double-quote,
backquote, , and . If any unescaped
double-quote characters occur within the string, other than in
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rt
Stop here. There is no "single quote stream part" in Posix. The
expansion occurs within double quotes, so single quotes are not special.
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e actual standard,
so you're defining portable behavior outside the text.
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On 9/17/16 7:38 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey <chet.ra...@case.edu> wrote:
>
>>> But please explain (character by character) why you create an output that
>>> is in
>>> conflict with the reference implementation (a patched ksh88).
a file named 'ls' in, say, $HOME/bin,
adding $HOME/bin to the beginning of $PATH, and running `bash -c 'ls''.
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in/true utility rather than the shell builtin?
I would say that's a reasonable expectation.
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On 7/17/17 11:17 AM, Geoff Clare wrote:
> Chet Ramey <chet.ra...@case.edu> wrote, on 17 Jul 2017:
>>
>> On 7/16/17 2:47 PM, Martijn Dekker wrote:
>>
>>> On the one hand, exec "shall replace the shell with /command/ without
>>> creating a new proces
that the shell run the last
element of a pipeline in the current shell context, so `exec' can replace
it. Bash runs the last element of the pipeline in a subshell.
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exit status.
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he signal
is pending. SIGCHLD isn't different from any other signal in this
regard.
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scripts
can't or shouldn't use it.
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On 4/26/17 7:57 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2017-04-25 21:32:56 -0400, Chet Ramey wrote:
>> There is no requirement that a trap be executed each time a particular
>> signal is generated. There is no requirement that the system keep a
>> count of instances of a particular
rsion AIJM 93v- 2013-10-08
$ ksh93 -c 'set -m; while true; do date; /bin/sleep 10; done ; echo after loop'
Thu May 11 10:25:55 EDT 2017
^C
$
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d to give the process groups it
creates access to the terminal. Most shells do that.
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a single SIGCHLD and
running a single instance of the SIGCHLD trap as a result.
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On 5/10/17 8:07 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2017-04-27 08:50:23 -0400, Chet Ramey wrote:
>> On 4/26/17 8:07 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>> It should kill itself with SIGINT to mimic what happens in an
>>> interactive shell. For instance, I expect
>>>
>&g
LC_CTYPE category in the current locale. In the POSIX locale, a
character is either a or a .
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ally implemented as something like
local var; var="$var".
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engroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18_12
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er, and does not attempt to reflect that requirement
directly."
Though it's mentioned as part of rule 1, it applies more broadly.
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On 10/4/17 8:52 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey <chet.ra...@case.edu> wrote:
>
>>> But this is what you get with ksh93:
>>>
>>> ksh93 -c 'a=0; a() { local a; a=12; } ; a; echo $a'
>>> ksh93[1]: local: not found [No such file or directo
12; } ; a; echo $a'
> ksh93[1]: local: not found [No such file or directory]
> 12
It doesn't work even if you use `typeset', which is accepted.
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in its original incarnation
as a form interpreter. Korn mentions functions as one of the first things
he added to the Bourne shell. I don't know whether ksh-83 had the SVR2
function declaration syntax in addition to `function name', but ksh-86
certainly did.
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On 10/5/17 8:38 AM, Schwarz, Konrad wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chet Ramey [mailto:chet.ra...@case.edu]
>> On 10/4/17 8:32 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>>
>>>> The portion about "local variables" in the quoted text means that the
>&
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On 9/30/17 8:58 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey <chet.ra...@case.edu> wrote:
>
>> This is from the ksh93 release documentation:
>>
>> 1. Functions, defined with name() with ksh-93 are compatible with
>> the POSIX standard,
hell functions are not run in a subshell environment.
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, between this text and the text in the description
of function definitions, it's clearly implied.
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On 9/29/17 11:29 AM, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
> 2017-09-29 10:32:33 -0400, Chet Ramey:
>> On 9/29/17 5:59 AM, Martijn Dekker wrote:
>>> I've been in correspondence with a few people who still seem to believe
>>> that AT ksh88 is POSIX compliant because POSIX was or
`test' builtin isn't conformant with the Posix number-of-
arguments algorithm, but I don't have a version handy to test).
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On 10/6/17 8:08 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey <chet.ra...@case.edu> wrote:
>
>> ksh had functions dating from the early 1980s in its original incarnation
>> as a form interpreter. Korn mentions functions as one of the first things
>> he added to the Bour
- Chaucer
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> xterm does not.
Yes. If you want xterm to start a login shell, modify the handler you use
to start it (e.g., from the XQuartz application menu) to include the `-ls'
argument. That's what I meant by my comment.
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On 10/29/17 7:56 PM, Robert Elz wrote:
> | | In all cases, explicit redirection of standard input shall
> | | override this activity.
>
> That last sentence just shouldn't be there - it already says that
> the implicit redirect to /dev/null happens before explicit redirects,
> which is all
s a good idea to honor the locale, though.
Chet
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that collates like aAbBcC...zZ will pick up
upper and lower case characters.
There is a shell option that allows you to control the behavior.
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On 5/2/18 5:52 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> 2)bash ignores the "new" rules.
Bash reserves most of these historical accidents for posix mode.
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try to ask the bash
> maintainer to add "s" to bash?
Maybe you should check.
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what do you think?
There's nothing in Posix that specifies the behavior one way or another, so
it's just an incompatibility between shells. I'll take a look.
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C
backslash
should be treated as an escape character by the pattern matching engine.
This is as the standard specifies.
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ameters. This eliminated the need for the ${1+"$@"} idiom.
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perhaps others learned about them differently.
The austin-group-l discussion from October, 2014 is illuminating, if you
can find it.
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; they will become non-conforming if enough other shells do implement it.
There is prior art here. The group has simply chosen not to standardize
`type -t'.
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On 9/11/18 10:56 AM, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:44:01 -0400
> From: Chet Ramey
> Message-ID:
>
> | There is prior art here. The group has simply chosen not to standardize
> | `type -t'.
>
> Oh, this is too g
tion,
> | arithmetic expansion, and quote removal of the given word.
That text is describing the `word', not the patterns kre is talking about.
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s the behavior of the reference implementation...
Posix chose to deviate from the historical behavior in a number of cases.
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umber of unescaped double-quotes or single-quotes, if any, shall
occur."
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brace expansion by
default, and standardize the existing behavior.
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urrently do?
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h: foo\: invalid variable name
In Bash, quoting either the `{' or `}' or providing a word in the braces
that isn't a valid identifier is enough to disable the feature.
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so before ksh93.
I sent the first brace expansion code to Brian in early April, 1989,
before bash-1.0 came out (June).
Bash has always performed brace expansion before any other word expansions.
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and the shell should continue to search $PATH.
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On 4/26/18 4:36 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey <chet.ra...@case.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/18 10:46 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>>
>>> bash also supports "braceexpand" and could set it to "off" by default in
>>> case
>
the current token as a C string, then go on with the
rest of the input, you get the bash behavior.
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On 1/1/19 8:33 PM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
> On 02/01/2019 00:21, Chet Ramey wrote:
>> On 1/1/19 5:10 PM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
>>
>>>> Alias expansion happens "before applying the grammatical rules", so
>>>> there's
>>>> no lookahea
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er (or what is considered the
> lexer from the parser's perspective, at any rate).
The rules in 2.10.2 are the ones I mean, since they're the ones that
determine what a TOKEN becomes.
Chet
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? AFAICT, that's one
of the things everyone does the same way.
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On 1/15/19 10:14 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey wrote:
>
>> Or are we hung up on the word "stack"?
>
> You seem to missunderstand me.
Sure, OK. Frame it how you like. The question stands. If that is how
every existing alias implementation behaves, we s
On 1/15/19 9:56 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey wrote:
>
>> Which shells don't rescan the alias value in the lexer? AFAICT, that's one
>> of the things everyone does the same way.
>
> A shell that did this would only be able to alias one word by one othe
o (from the austin-group
list, I think) and fixed, and the fix is in bash-5.0. Let's not count
that one as a difference.
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is is correct.
> x 0
>
> for
> bash -c 'a=`false; echo 1` :; echo x $a $?'
>
> what does not seem to match our wishes.
Try posix mode. Bash doesn't implement the idiotic historical behavior
of variable assignments preceding special builtins in its default mode.
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utput `three'.
Since the standard has never specified that the ending be
unquoted, it's not surprising that implementations vary.
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those cases unspecified "breaks many applications."
Shells, even posix shells in posix mode, are free to accept any or
all of the above, just as they do today.
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expanded when not in
posix mode.
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On 1/11/19 8:15 AM, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
> 2019-01-10 19:01:08 -0500, Chet Ramey:
>> On 1/10/19 5:29 PM, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
>>
>>> In any case, by no longer allowing pipelines, redirections,
>>> multiple commands, keywords, comments in alias v
f's proposed resolution from today does that. The original and
revised proposals for bug 953 did not.
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hink it would reduce confusion if it were explicitly mandated.
Regardless, the fact that existing shells do it differently is reason
enough to not mandate a particular behavior.
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On 1/1/19 10:15 PM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
> On 02/01/2019 02:34, Chet Ramey wrote:
>> On 1/1/19 8:33 PM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
>>> Ah! Now I think I see how we are interpreting things differently. Am I
>>> understanding correctly that given
>>>
>&g
On 1/2/19 10:34 AM, Geoff Clare wrote:
> Chet Ramey wrote, on 02 Jan 2019:
>>
>> On 1/2/19 8:32 AM, Robert Elz wrote:
>>
>>> ps: while I am here, can someone point me at the issue number
>>> which has the new wording for alias processing in it?
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s correct if you substitute TOKEN
for WORD.
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ension. Alias names are defined in
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_10
.
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you get complaints,
> you can always change it back, if all your users are happy (ie:
> they never even notice) then we will all be happy too!
We'll see how it goes. It took a #define and three lines of code.
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On 9/11/18 12:24 PM, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:43:07 -0400
> From: Chet Ramey
> Message-ID:
>
>
> | Bash and ksh93 (at least the latest version I have from git).
> |
> | $ ./src/cmd/ksh93/ksh -c 'type
On 4/13/19 5:47 PM, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Sat, 13 Apr 2019 13:52:17 -0400
> From: Chet Ramey
> Message-ID:
>
> | There's no practical difference, really.
>
> If you mean to the user of the result (consumer of the output of
> the tra
at case does "not in its default
> state" include blocked signals (as in sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK)) which in their
> default state would not be blocked?
I don't view blocking signals as changing the state of their disposition.
Blocking is a temporary condition; the disposition is what happens when
they are unblocked and allowed through.
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On 4/15/19 11:07 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey wrote:
>
>> It's not. It's about why there is a distinction between non-interactive and
>> interactive shells. My guess is that Korn wanted scripts to be able to
>> change traps for signals ignored at s
On 4/15/19 10:33 AM, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:38:26 -0400
> From: Chet Ramey
> Message-ID:
>
> | On 4/15/19 5:32 AM, Geoff Clare wrote:
> |
> | > The part in parentheses in the bug 1212 resolu
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| But that's not what I'm claiming. I'm observing that the behavior you
| cited from the historical Bourne shell, the option you said Geoff forgot,
| is not present
On 4/17/19 12:45 PM, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:51:17 -0400
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> Message-ID:
>
> | But that's not what I'm claiming. I'm observing that the behavior you
> | cited from the historical Bourne shell, the option you
any discussion.
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On 5/31/19 8:08 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Chet Ramey wrote:
>
>> Whether or not I would implement it is secondary. The primary question is
>> why the committee would choose this as a feature to invent when there are
>> existing features that need standardization an
> code might be able to see, but which the user isn't supposed to see.
So the old `rm -rf .*'?
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ent when there are
existing features that need standardization and more pressing problems to
solve by inventing features. What makes this important enough?
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Chet Ramey,
y to have #2 is to do an implementation yourself and then get #1
by showing how it will -- or does -- improve user experience.
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sider this proposal, given the pervasive use of
tools like grep as filters and as components of pipelines.
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On 6/2/19 11:48 AM, Steven Penny wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:39 AM Chet Ramey wrote:
>> You might want to reconsider this proposal, given the pervasive use of
>> tools like grep as filters and as components of pipelines.
>
> Its misleading that you omitted the ne
On 6/14/19 2:20 PM, Michael Greenberg wrote:
> is it morally
> acceptable for the shell builtin getopts
Let's not get too far out over our skis here.
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Chet Ramey,
On 6/10/19 3:15 PM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
> On 10/06/2019 19:22, Chet Ramey wrote:
>> On 6/10/19 2:15 PM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
>>
>>>> Re: http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=760#c4411 <&0 is a no-op, so
>>>> it's
>>>> unclear whether
time to go through all of this, but all the shells I see
treat that as a pattern ending in an unescaped backslash, and produce
the same results.
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On 6/24/19 1:53 PM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
> On 24/06/2019 15:16, Chet Ramey wrote:
>> On 6/22/19 8:57 AM, Harald van Dijk wrote:
>>
>>>> But in bash5's
>>>>
>>>> files='/a/\b/??/x/*'
>>>> ls -d $files
>>>>
>
ault), and the next version of bash will
probably make that the default in POSIX mode as well.
Chet
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f no file name matches, the pattern
> should be left strictly unchanged - exactly as if no pathname
> matching had been attempted at all.
I agree with this.
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Chet Ramey,
me as a dequoted pattern configure uses.
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