Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Jan Visinko]

OK thanks for pointing that out and the information about governors. cheers
Han

On Thu, 11 Jul. 2019, 10:46 Cheri Mello,  wrote:

> Jan,
>
> Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to FamilySearch.
> I gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to the AZOREAN
> GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two.
>
> To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let
> a non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean
> history, so those who are will chime in, I'm sure.
>
> Happy hunting,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jan Visinko 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the
>> Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks
>> for including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa
>> 1800.  I have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary
>> governor of the Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google
>> the governors to see if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Jan V,
>>>
>>> Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.
>>>
>>> The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9
>>> islands, the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the
>>> Channel Islands off the coast of California. :)
>>>
>>> Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or
>>> freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people
>>> Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel
>>> island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel
>>>
>>> If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for
>>> that time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were
>>> digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC)
>>> that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
>>> (no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to
>>> order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look
>>> through them for your people.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg
 grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate
 she has guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie
 worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I
 believe she could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife
 Catharine, and the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789,
 full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811.
 I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry
 and returned to St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in
 Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these families?  I would
 be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Jan,

Have you seen this?
https://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I102752=master

Margaret 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: July 10, 2019 9:17 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

Glad someone can find it. I did a Ctrl+F and still couldn't find him. Hopefully 
Jan V. can.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:56 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
No Henry Lloyd in the list:  
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_governantes_dos_A%C3%A7ores

Maybe he went there for diferent reasons.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quinta, 11/07/2019 à(s) 01:46:
Jan,

Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to FamilySearch. I 
gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to the AZOREAN 
GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two. 

To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let a 
non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean history, so 
those who are will chime in, I'm sure.

Happy hunting,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jan Visinko  wrote:
Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the 
Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks for 
including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa 1800.  I 
have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary governor of the 
Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google the governors to see 
if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
Jan V,

Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.

The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9 islands, the 
largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the Channel Islands off 
the coast of California. :)

Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or freguesia). 
They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people Catholic? If so, start 
going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel island, looking for your 
people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel

If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for that time 
period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were digitized. You 
will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC) that is affiliated 
with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (no, you don't need to be 
Mormon to use their library). You will have to order the film for each village 
that had Civil Registry records and look through them for your people.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko  wrote:
Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg grandmother Jane 
Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate she has guardians 
called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie worked for Lloyds 
Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I believe she could be the 
daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife Catharine, and the sister of Mary 
Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789, full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. 
She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811. I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, 
went by ship to England to marry and returned to St. Miguel. There first born 
Mary Jane was born in Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these 
families?  I would be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, 
Australia. 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[Margaret Vicente]

Yes, that’s the right date.  April 1st 1882.  Passenger # 369 he’s travelling 
with his wife.  Also note his brother Manuel is # 370, also travelling with 
wife and son.

Margaret

From: jomig...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: July 10, 2019 9:59 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

Thanks, I understand.  I'm quite sure I located Jacinto Miguel on page 0094, 
passenger number 309.  Am I reading the date correctly, as 1882 April 1 ??

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:48:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
Josephine,

A group of villages (freguesias) belong to a council (concelho - similar to a 
U.S. County).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:47 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL  wrote:
Cheri,
Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?

Josephine

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 05:25:51 PM PDT, Cheri Mello  
wrote: 


Try this: 
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomi...@sbcglobal.net  
wrote:
I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there somewhere 
to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in English)?

Thanks,
Josephine Miguel
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[jomig...@sbcglobal.net]

Thanks, I understand.  I'm quite sure I located Jacinto Miguel on page 
0094, passenger number 309.  Am I reading the date correctly, as 1882 April 
1 ??

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:48:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Josephine,
>
> A group of villages (freguesias) belong to a council (concelho - similar 
> to a U.S. County).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:47 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL  > wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>> Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?
>>
>> Josephine
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 05:25:51 PM PDT, Cheri Mello > > wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Try this: 
>> https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomi...@sbcglobal.net  <
>> jomi...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>>
>> I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there 
>> somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in 
>> English)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josephine Miguel
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[jomig...@sbcglobal.net]

Thank you Rosemarie. That helps it make sense.

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:25:29 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Josephine, Councelho is like our County in the US. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:47 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL  > wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>> Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?
>>
>> Josephine
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 05:25:51 PM PDT, Cheri Mello > > wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Try this: 
>> https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomi...@sbcglobal.net  <
>> jomi...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>>
>> I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there 
>> somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in 
>> English)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josephine Miguel
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Glad someone can find it. I did a Ctrl+F and still couldn't find him.
Hopefully Jan V. can.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:56 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> No Henry Lloyd in the list:
> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_governantes_dos_A%C3%A7ores
>
> Maybe he went there for diferent reasons.
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quinta, 11/07/2019 à(s)
> 01:46:
>
>> Jan,
>>
>> Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to
>> FamilySearch. I gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to
>> the AZOREAN GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two.
>>
>> To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let
>> a non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean
>> history, so those who are will chime in, I'm sure.
>>
>> Happy hunting,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jan Visinko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the
>>> Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks
>>> for including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa
>>> 1800.  I have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary
>>> governor of the Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google
>>> the governors to see if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Jan V,

 Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.

 The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9
 islands, the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the
 Channel Islands off the coast of California. :)

 Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or
 freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people
 Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel
 island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel

 If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for
 that time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were
 digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC)
 that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
 (no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to
 order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look
 through them for your people.
 Good luck,
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko 
 wrote:

> Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg
> grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate
> she has guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie
> worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I
> believe she could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife
> Catharine, and the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789,
> full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 
> 1811.
> I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry
> and returned to St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in
> Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these families?  I would
> be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Ângela Loura]

No Henry Lloyd in the list:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_governantes_dos_A%C3%A7ores

Maybe he went there for diferent reasons.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quinta, 11/07/2019 à(s)
01:46:

> Jan,
>
> Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to FamilySearch.
> I gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to the AZOREAN
> GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two.
>
> To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let
> a non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean
> history, so those who are will chime in, I'm sure.
>
> Happy hunting,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jan Visinko 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the
>> Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks
>> for including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa
>> 1800.  I have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary
>> governor of the Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google
>> the governors to see if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Jan V,
>>>
>>> Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.
>>>
>>> The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9
>>> islands, the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the
>>> Channel Islands off the coast of California. :)
>>>
>>> Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or
>>> freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people
>>> Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel
>>> island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel
>>>
>>> If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for
>>> that time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were
>>> digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC)
>>> that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
>>> (no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to
>>> order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look
>>> through them for your people.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg
 grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate
 she has guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie
 worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I
 believe she could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife
 Catharine, and the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789,
 full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811.
 I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry
 and returned to St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in
 Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these families?  I would
 be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Jan,

Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to FamilySearch.
I gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to the AZOREAN
GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two.

To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let a
non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean
history, so those who are will chime in, I'm sure.

Happy hunting,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jan Visinko  wrote:

> Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the
> Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks
> for including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa
> 1800.  I have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary
> governor of the Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google
> the governors to see if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Jan V,
>>
>> Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.
>>
>> The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9
>> islands, the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the
>> Channel Islands off the coast of California. :)
>>
>> Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or
>> freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people
>> Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel
>> island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel
>>
>> If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for that
>> time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were
>> digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC)
>> that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
>> (no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to
>> order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look
>> through them for your people.
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg
>>> grandmother Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate
>>> she has guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie
>>> worked for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I
>>> believe she could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife
>>> Catharine, and the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789,
>>> full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811.
>>> I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry
>>> and returned to St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in
>>> Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these families?  I would
>>> be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Jan Visinko]

Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the
Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks
for including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa
1800.  I have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary
governor of the Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google
the governors to see if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Jan V,
>
> Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.
>
> The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9 islands,
> the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the Channel
> Islands off the coast of California. :)
>
> Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or
> freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people
> Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel
> island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel
>
> If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for that
> time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were
> digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC)
> that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
> (no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to
> order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look
> through them for your people.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg grandmother
>> Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate she has
>> guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie worked
>> for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I believe she
>> could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife Catharine, and
>> the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789, full name Alicia
>> Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811. I believe Jane
>> and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry and returned to
>> St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in Portugal.   Is there
>> anyone who can help me with these families?  I would be most grateful,
>> thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Josephine, Councelho is like our County in the US.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:47 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL 
wrote:

> Cheri,
> Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?
>
> Josephine
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 05:25:51 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Try this:
> https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
> jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there
> somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in
> English)?
>
> Thanks,
> Josephine Miguel
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[Cheri Mello]

Josephine,

A group of villages (freguesias) belong to a council (concelho - similar to
a U.S. County).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:47 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL 
wrote:

> Cheri,
> Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?
>
> Josephine
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 05:25:51 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Try this:
> https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
> jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there
> somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in
> English)?
>
> Thanks,
> Josephine Miguel
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[JOSEPHINE MIGUEL]

 Cheri,Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?
Josephine
On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 05:25:51 PM PDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 Try this: 
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.htmlCheri
 Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there somewhere 
to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in English)?
Thanks,Josephine Miguel

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Jan V,

Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.

The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9 islands,
the largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the Channel
Islands off the coast of California. :)

Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or
freguesia). They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people
Catholic? If so, start going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel
island, looking for your people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel

If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for that
time period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were
digitized. You will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC)
that is affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
(no, you don't need to be Mormon to use their library). You will have to
order the film for each village that had Civil Registry records and look
through them for your people.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko  wrote:

> Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg grandmother
> Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate she has
> guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie worked
> for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I believe she
> could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife Catharine, and
> the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789, full name Alicia
> Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811. I believe Jane
> and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry and returned to
> St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in Portugal.   Is there
> anyone who can help me with these families?  I would be most grateful,
> thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Jan Visinko]

Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg grandmother 
Jane Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate she has 
guardians called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie worked 
for Lloyds Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I believe she 
could be the daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife Catharine, and 
the sister of Mary Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789, full name Alicia 
Mary de Visme Whittle. She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811. I believe Jane 
and James met in Portugal, went by ship to England to marry and returned to 
St. Miguel. There first born Mary Jane was born in Portugal.   Is there 
anyone who can help me with these families?  I would be most grateful, 
thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

I will PM you.

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 11:33:59 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>
>
> Thanks again JR
> This is very nice :)
>
> Do I read correctly that Estevão's father is João Alvares? And what is his 
> mother's first name?
> I'm following the paternal line António Cabral -> Estevão Alvares -> João 
> Alvares -> ...
> You wouldn't happen to have any more information on that line?
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM JR > wrote:
>
>> These are the parents:
>>
>> Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Obrigado JR
>>> Gonçalo
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:
>>>
 Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
 com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
 de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.

 JR

 On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
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> Hello
>
> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
> [image: image.png]
> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[Gonçalo Marques]

Thanks again JR
This is very nice :)

Do I read correctly that Estevão's father is João Alvares? And what is his
mother's first name?
I'm following the paternal line António Cabral -> Estevão Alvares -> João
Alvares -> ...
You wouldn't happen to have any more information on that line?

Cheers
Gonçalo


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM JR  wrote:

> These are the parents:
>
> Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html
>
> Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>
>> Obrigado JR
>> Gonçalo
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo
>>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara
>>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:

 Hello

 I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral
 [image: image.png]
 They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html

 Cheers
 Gonçalo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

These are the parents:

Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html

Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>
> Obrigado JR
> Gonçalo
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR > 
> wrote:
>
>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Gonçalo
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[Gonçalo Marques]

Obrigado JR
Gonçalo

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:

> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo com
> Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara de
> Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral
>> [image: image.png]
>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gonçalo
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo com 
Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara de 
Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
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> Hello
>
> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
> [image: image.png]
> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
>

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