Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ursula's mother in Fenais da Luz Baptism Record
Hi Margaret, You have it right. The current spelling is Sá, Maria de Sá. Manoel Em sábado, 10 de maio de 2014 00h41min55s UTC-3, Mara escreveu: Hi Fred, you will need to look at other siblings to confirm but I'm reading it as Maria de Saa (with an accent over the 2nd a) On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Fred Estrella festre...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I'm having trouble understanding the last name of Ursula's mother (Maria de ___) listed in her Baptism record. It appears to be an abbreviation but nothing I've seen before. The record is in the middle of the left page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-B-1672-1701/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-B-1672-1701_item1/P84.html , Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Fred -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Below the link for the obitos of Antonio Lobam Botelho - righte page (the whole page to be precise) This is one has me stumped, so to speak. I know that the date is December 12, 1747 and that he was about 87 or 88 years of age. What I can't understand is what all of the rest of it means. I'm not used to seeing these Obitos' (used othe short, quick ones). This threw me off. Also, I can't make/understand the information in the margin to the left. Any help, etc. greatly appreciated. Thank you, in advance. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P96.html Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Question - Sao Matheus, Graciosa
Hi David, From what I read it does not show the full name with Coelho, the child was dedicated to the Holy Spirit, 3rd person of the Trinity, who was the child's Godfather. The record reads Manuel do Divino Emperador (of the Divine Emperor, another name given to the Holy Spirit). The document reads Godparents:, forao padrinhos o Divino Emperador e o Reverendo Mestre da Capela Francisco Jose de Bintancourt em nome de etc. God Parents were the Holy Spirit and the Reverend Master of the Chapel Francisco in name of ...(names another Priest living in the Terceira island) best, On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:09 AM, David Buckley oldschoo...@gmail.comwrote: I have a question from a baptismal record of my 6x g. grandfather Manuel do Divino Emperador Coelho. He was born 10 Aug 1770 in Sao Matheus, Graciosa. His parents were Francisco Jose Coelho and Ana Rosa do Livramento. The interesting thing about the record is that Manuel's full name is listed in the baptismal record instead of just his first name. How common was it to list more than just a first name? I also have a question on who the Padrinhos are? Any info would be helpful. Does Divino Emperador signify anything in particular? Maybe it has to do with Festa or something along those lines. Thanks, David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Hi Lee, This death certificate is that of the Reverend Priest Antonio Lobao Botelho. It is very detailed and it will take some time to translate fully. Is this person your relation or are you just curious of the set up and what it says? The side notes speaks about donations made and Masses said in his name by his benefactors. The main body of the document aside from the norm describes where he lived, terms of his will and its appointed person (s). Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below the link for the obitos of Antonio Lobam Botelho - righte page (the whole page to be precise) This is one has me stumped, so to speak. I know that the date is December 12, 1747 and that he was about 87 or 88 years of age. What I can't understand is what all of the rest of it means. I'm not used to seeing these Obitos' (used othe short, quick ones). This threw me off. Also, I can't make/understand the information in the margin to the left. Any help, etc. greatly appreciated. Thank you, in advance. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P96.html Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MyOrigins surprise findings from Family Finder DNA testing
Group, Actually, because I was baffled the first time at being so French/Orcadian, I read the Family Findr FAQ thoroughly. You are right, Ralph, there is an equal opportunity to inherit your parents' genes, however with regards to Family Finder, they state that a match may not be found with a known cousin, because we my not have received the same genes from our parents or grandparents, etc... So while in theory 50/50 is good, reality is a little more uneven/chaotic (like nature), from what I understand. -Trevor -Original Message- From: 'Ralph Sellars' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 9, 2014 8:56 pm Subject: Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] MyOrigins surprise findings from Family Finder DNA testing I find these discussions interesting and/or perhaps amusing ? I am most curious about the term/statement which is regularly stated and apparently accepted by many that we get half our genes from one parent and half from the other. It is logical to assume that both or either parents have equal opportunity to provide genes. Is there any scientific documentation that it is half and half? Could it be 40/60 one way or another or perhaps 30/70? My nursing degree wife tells me that the male determines the sex ! How do we know that is a fact not hearsay? In comments regarding Family Finder it is stated that the back ground of siblings shows up differently. How come. Could it be that one child got 40% from mom and 60% from dad while the other child got 70% from mom and only 30% from Dad? SMILE, just wondering! Why do siblings turn out so much different from one another if they all get an equal half? Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:51 PM, Herb herbandj...@verizon.net wrote: Joao where do you come up with this stuff, the raids by North African pirates? The raping of the women? Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Margaret; thank you! He is my cousins direct ancestor; she is a descendant of his son (who carried the exact name and died only a few years after his father). I'm struggling to keep everything straight between them; since they had the same name. It would be nice to have a full translation; but it's not really necessary - if I could obtain the main details; that woudl be fine for now. I can get the rest at a later date. I was just fascinated with it when I found it. I knew it had to be important when I realized it took up the entire page. Again thanks - I will let Nadine (and her 90 year father) know about this. Lee On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:52:20 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, This death certificate is that of the Reverend Priest Antonio Lobao Botelho. It is very detailed and it will take some time to translate fully. Is this person your relation or are you just curious of the set up and what it says? The side notes speaks about donations made and Masses said in his name by his benefactors. The main body of the document aside from the norm describes where he lived, terms of his will and its appointed person (s). Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net javascript: wrote: Below the link for the obitos of Antonio Lobam Botelho - righte page (the whole page to be precise) This is one has me stumped, so to speak. I know that the date is December 12, 1747 and that he was about 87 or 88 years of age. What I can't understand is what all of the rest of it means. I'm not used to seeing these Obitos' (used othe short, quick ones). This threw me off. Also, I can't make/understand the information in the margin to the left. Any help, etc. greatly appreciated. Thank you, in advance. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P96.html Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism listed in Casamentos?
While searching for the marriage of my grandparents Joao Jacinto Brandao and Emilia Amalia da Conceicao in Sao Pedro Ponta Delgada circa 1885-1888. ( Not sure if they married there or Nordeste). I came across this record which is actually the birth of a girl named Emilia. It would appear that the priest deliberately wrote the record of this child's birth/baptism in the casamentos section rather than baptisms and he made an annotation in the margin, perhaps explaining this. At any rate I thought I would post this information in case any one is searching for her. I guess this wasn't picked up by the team who posted/maintains the records on the CCA site or they just chose to post it as is. The father is not listed. The mother was single. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P233.html Anyway, it's back to the drawing board for me, still looking. Have a great weekend everyone Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism listed in Casamentos?
I meant to say my g grandparents not grandparents.. Herb On Saturday, May 10, 2014 10:25:38 AM UTC-4, Herb wrote: While searching for the marriage of my grandparents Joao Jacinto Brandao and Emilia Amalia da Conceicao in Sao Pedro Ponta Delgada circa 1885-1888. ( Not sure if they married there or Nordeste). I came across this record which is actually the birth of a girl named Emilia. It would appear that the priest deliberately wrote the record of this child's birth/baptism in the casamentos section rather than baptisms and he made an annotation in the margin, perhaps explaining this. At any rate I thought I would post this information in case any one is searching for her. I guess this wasn't picked up by the team who posted/maintains the records on the CCA site or they just chose to post it as is. The father is not listed. The mother was single. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P233.html Anyway, it's back to the drawing board for me, still looking. Have a great weekend everyone Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: myOrigins results I was born in Lajes do Pico
I am also posting my y-Dna and mtDNA results. y-DNA Haplogroup J-P204 (formerly J2a4d) mtDNA Haplogroup T2b-T16296C! (yes the exclamation point is part of the designation) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Hi Lee, I'm not sure how he can be your cousin's direct ancestor if he is a PRIEST. This obit is for the Vicar of the respective Parish of N. Sra. Da Luz. The church didn't allow priests to marry nor did they registered illegitimate priests' children in this respective century. At a quick glance the only relative mentioned in this will is his brother Francisco Coelho de Miranda.the rest seem to be Confrarias (Fraternal) religious orders with whom he was associated. Perhaps he's a brother of a direct ancestor? margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote: Margaret; thank you! He is my cousins direct ancestor; she is a descendant of his son (who carried the exact name and died only a few years after his father). I'm struggling to keep everything straight between them; since they had the same name. It would be nice to have a full translation; but it's not really necessary - if I could obtain the main details; that woudl be fine for now. I can get the rest at a later date. I was just fascinated with it when I found it. I knew it had to be important when I realized it took up the entire page. Again thanks - I will let Nadine (and her 90 year father) know about this. Lee On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:52:20 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, This death certificate is that of the Reverend Priest Antonio Lobao Botelho. It is very detailed and it will take some time to translate fully. Is this person your relation or are you just curious of the set up and what it says? The side notes speaks about donations made and Masses said in his name by his benefactors. The main body of the document aside from the norm describes where he lived, terms of his will and its appointed person (s). Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below the link for the obitos of Antonio Lobam Botelho - righte page (the whole page to be precise) This is one has me stumped, so to speak. I know that the date is December 12, 1747 and that he was about 87 or 88 years of age. What I can't understand is what all of the rest of it means. I'm not used to seeing these Obitos' (used othe short, quick ones). This threw me off. Also, I can't make/understand the information in the margin to the left. Any help, etc. greatly appreciated. Thank you, in advance. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA- SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P96.html Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism listed in Casamentos?
Herb, The side note reads sem efeito meaning null and void and he also added *inadvertently* which indicates an error, and must have re-entered it in the right baptismal book. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Herb herbandj...@verizon.net wrote: I meant to say my g grandparents not grandparents.. Herb On Saturday, May 10, 2014 10:25:38 AM UTC-4, Herb wrote: While searching for the marriage of my grandparents Joao Jacinto Brandao and Emilia Amalia da Conceicao in Sao Pedro Ponta Delgada circa 1885-1888. ( Not sure if they married there or Nordeste). I came across this record which is actually the birth of a girl named Emilia. It would appear that the priest deliberately wrote the record of this child's birth/baptism in the casamentos section rather than baptisms and he made an annotation in the margin, perhaps explaining this. At any rate I thought I would post this information in case any one is searching for her. I guess this wasn't picked up by the team who posted/maintains the records on the CCA site or they just chose to post it as is. The father is not listed. The mother was single. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P233.html Anyway, it's back to the drawing board for me, still looking. Have a great weekend everyone Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
You are correct, Margaret...my brain finally figured that outI kept thinking something right. My cousins direct ancestor is Maria Baptista de Bettencourt who married Antonio Lobao (Lobam) Botelho on October 30, 1752 in NS da Luz (Graciosa), he; in turn was the son of Antonio Lobam Botelho (per marriage record) who married Felipa Espinola (this Antonio died in July 1750 at approximately 49 years of age per death record). This now means there is a third Antonio Lobao/Lobam Botelho in the records. I will have to watch out for that. I sometimes believe they did this just to purposely confuse us in the future! grr Thank you for your help - you've helped somewhat it in sorting it outI will just keep in that the back of my mind...that he's there too and keep an eye out for him. Now, bac to the drawing boardso, to speak. Lee On Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:43:54 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, I'm not sure how he can be your cousin's direct ancestor if he is a PRIEST. This obit is for the Vicar of the respective Parish of N. Sra. Da Luz. The church didn't allow priests to marry nor did they registered illegitimate priests' children in this respective century. At a quick glance the only relative mentioned in this will is his brother Francisco Coelho de Miranda.the rest seem to be Confrarias (Fraternal) religious orders with whom he was associated. Perhaps he's a brother of a direct ancestor? margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.netjavascript: wrote: Margaret; thank you! He is my cousins direct ancestor; she is a descendant of his son (who carried the exact name and died only a few years after his father). I'm struggling to keep everything straight between them; since they had the same name. It would be nice to have a full translation; but it's not really necessary - if I could obtain the main details; that woudl be fine for now. I can get the rest at a later date. I was just fascinated with it when I found it. I knew it had to be important when I realized it took up the entire page. Again thanks - I will let Nadine (and her 90 year father) know about this. Lee On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:52:20 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, This death certificate is that of the Reverend Priest Antonio Lobao Botelho. It is very detailed and it will take some time to translate fully. Is this person your relation or are you just curious of the set up and what it says? The side notes speaks about donations made and Masses said in his name by his benefactors. The main body of the document aside from the norm describes where he lived, terms of his will and its appointed person (s). Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below the link for the obitos of Antonio Lobam Botelho - righte page (the whole page to be precise) This is one has me stumped, so to speak. I know that the date is December 12, 1747 and that he was about 87 or 88 years of age. What I can't understand is what all of the rest of it means. I'm not used to seeing these Obitos' (used othe short, quick ones). This threw me off. Also, I can't make/understand the information in the margin to the left. Any help, etc. greatly appreciated. Thank you, in advance. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA- SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P96.html Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area
[AZORES-Genealogy] getting relatives to do the DNA tests
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] African Slaves in the Azores
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] getting relatives to do the DNA tests
In case your email system doesn't reveal addresses, send it to me here:p...@dholmes.comDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] getting relatives to do the DNA tests From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Sat, May 10, 2014 9:34 am To: azores@googlegroups.com I have come across a way to get people to agree to do the testing.If you need help, write me privately for ideas.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Just a thought on how a priest could have legitimate children: It may not apply in this particular case, but I think that if a man is widowed he may be allowed to become a priest. Such a man may have grown children. Eileen Leite From: Lee [mailto:shorts...@suddenlink.net] Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:08 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa You are correct, Margaret...my brain finally figured that outI kept thinking something right. My cousins direct ancestor is Maria Baptista de Bettencourt who married Antonio Lobao (Lobam) Botelho on October 30, 1752 in NS da Luz (Graciosa), he; in turn was the son of Antonio Lobam Botelho (per marriage record) who married Felipa Espinola (this Antonio died in July 1750 at approximately 49 years of age per death record). This now means there is a third Antonio Lobao/Lobam Botelho in the records. I will have to watch out for that. I sometimes believe they did this just to purposely confuse us in the future! grr Thank you for your help - you've helped somewhat it in sorting it outI will just keep in that the back of my mind...that he's there too and keep an eye out for him. Now, bac to the drawing boardso, to speak. Lee On Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:43:54 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, I'm not sure how he can be your cousin's direct ancestor if he is a PRIEST. This obit is for the Vicar of the respective Parish of N. Sra. Da Luz. The church didn't allow priests to marry nor did they registered illegitimate priests' children in this respective century. At a quick glance the only relative mentioned in this will is his brother Francisco Coelho de Miranda.the rest seem to be Confrarias (Fraternal) religious orders with whom he was associated. Perhaps he's a brother of a direct ancestor? margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net javascript: wrote: Margaret; thank you! He is my cousins direct ancestor; she is a descendant of his son (who carried the exact name and died only a few years after his father). I'm struggling to keep everything straight between them; since they had the same name. It would be nice to have a full translation; but it's not really necessary - if I could obtain the main details; that woudl be fine for now. I can get the rest at a later date. I was just fascinated with it when I found it. I knew it had to be important when I realized it took up the entire page. Again thanks - I will let Nadine (and her 90 year father) know about this. Lee -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ursula's mother in Fenais da Luz Baptism Record
Thanks you both...an unusual name. Fred On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Manoel. It was tricky because the priest seems to have written sua first instead of Saa (Sa) Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:02 AM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Margaret, You have it right. The current spelling is Sá, Maria de Sá. Manoel Em sábado, 10 de maio de 2014 00h41min55s UTC-3, Mara escreveu: Hi Fred, you will need to look at other siblings to confirm but I'm reading it as Maria de Saa (with an accent over the 2nd a) On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Fred Estrella festre...@gmail.comwrote: I'm having trouble understanding the last name of Ursula's mother (Maria de ___) listed in her Baptism record. It appears to be an abbreviation but nothing I've seen before. The record is in the middle of the left page: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-B-1672-1701/ SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-B-1672-1701_item1/P84.html, Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Fred -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Eileen, possible but unlikely regarding the Priesthood. First, only the very rich did that. Secondly those who did usually retreated into a convent of the order of the Franciscan's, Carmelite's, Augustinian's, etc and take on the habit of Abbot's, Friars, Nuns. Take care, Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Eileen Leite eileenle...@seleite.comwrote: Just a thought on how a priest could have legitimate children: It may not apply in this particular case, but I think that if a man is widowed he may be allowed to become a priest. Such a man may have grown children. Eileen Leite *From:* Lee [mailto:shorts...@suddenlink.net] *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:08 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa You are correct, Margaret...my brain finally figured that outI kept thinking something right. My cousins direct ancestor is Maria Baptista de Bettencourt who married Antonio Lobao (Lobam) Botelho on October 30, 1752 in NS da Luz (Graciosa), he; in turn was the son of Antonio Lobam Botelho (per marriage record) who married Felipa Espinola (this Antonio died in July 1750 at approximately 49 years of age per death record). This now means there is a third Antonio Lobao/Lobam Botelho in the records. I will have to watch out for that. I sometimes believe they did this just to purposely confuse us in the future! grr Thank you for your help - you've helped somewhat it in sorting it outI will just keep in that the back of my mind...that he's there too and keep an eye out for him. Now, bac to the drawing boardso, to speak. Lee On Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:43:54 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, I'm not sure how he can be your cousin's direct ancestor if he is a PRIEST. This obit is for the Vicar of the respective Parish of N. Sra. Da Luz. The church didn't allow priests to marry nor did they registered illegitimate priests' children in this respective century. At a quick glance the only relative mentioned in this will is his brother Francisco Coelho de Miranda.the rest seem to be Confrarias (Fraternal) religious orders with whom he was associated. Perhaps he's a brother of a direct ancestor? margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Margaret; thank you! He is my cousins direct ancestor; she is a descendant of his son (who carried the exact name and died only a few years after his father). I'm struggling to keep everything straight between them; since they had the same name. It would be nice to have a full translation; but it's not really necessary - if I could obtain the main details; that woudl be fine for now. I can get the rest at a later date. I was just fascinated with it when I found it. I knew it had to be important when I realized it took up the entire page. Again thanks - I will let Nadine (and her 90 year father) know about this. Lee -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Hi Margaret, It happens. I descend from Frei João Meireles who had the son João baptized in Capelas on 16 feb 1659, ilha de São Miguel. See the link (middle, left side): http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667_item1/P119.html You can read more about Frei João Meireles in this link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dk-Vn_E0ZiMJ:www.ihit.pt/new/boletim.php%3Farea%3Dboletins%26id%3D80+cd=1hl=ptct=clnkgl=br Manoel Em sábado, 10 de maio de 2014 12h43min54s UTC-3, Mara escreveu: Hi Lee, I'm not sure how he can be your cousin's direct ancestor if he is a PRIEST. This obit is for the Vicar of the respective Parish of N. Sra. Da Luz. The church didn't allow priests to marry nor did they registered illegitimate priests' children in this respective century. At a quick glance the only relative mentioned in this will is his brother Francisco Coelho de Miranda.the rest seem to be Confrarias (Fraternal) religious orders with whom he was associated. Perhaps he's a brother of a direct ancestor? margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.netjavascript: wrote: Margaret; thank you! He is my cousins direct ancestor; she is a descendant of his son (who carried the exact name and died only a few years after his father). I'm struggling to keep everything straight between them; since they had the same name. It would be nice to have a full translation; but it's not really necessary - if I could obtain the main details; that woudl be fine for now. I can get the rest at a later date. I was just fascinated with it when I found it. I knew it had to be important when I realized it took up the entire page. Again thanks - I will let Nadine (and her 90 year father) know about this. Lee On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:52:20 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Lee, This death certificate is that of the Reverend Priest Antonio Lobao Botelho. It is very detailed and it will take some time to translate fully. Is this person your relation or are you just curious of the set up and what it says? The side notes speaks about donations made and Masses said in his name by his benefactors. The main body of the document aside from the norm describes where he lived, terms of his will and its appointed person (s). Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote: Below the link for the obitos of Antonio Lobam Botelho - righte page (the whole page to be precise) This is one has me stumped, so to speak. I know that the date is December 12, 1747 and that he was about 87 or 88 years of age. What I can't understand is what all of the rest of it means. I'm not used to seeing these Obitos' (used othe short, quick ones). This threw me off. Also, I can't make/understand the information in the margin to the left. Any help, etc. greatly appreciated. Thank you, in advance. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA- SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769/GRA-SC-LUZ-O-1696-1769_item1/P96.html Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Hi Manoel,Sure does happen.I have a record of a priest on Pico whose wife died and he became a priest in that village.Same happened for a priest on Terceira.Come to think of it, there is another on Terceira like that.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa From: mances man...@gmail.com Date: Sat, May 10, 2014 2:16 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Margaret,It happens. I descend from Frei João Meireles who had the son João baptized in Capelas on 16 feb 1659, ilha de São Miguel.See the link (middle, left side):http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667_item1/P119.htmlYou can read more about Frei João Meireles in this link:http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dk-Vn_E0ZiMJ:www.ihit.pt/new/boletim.php%3Farea%3Dboletins%26id%3D80+cd=1hl=ptct=clnkgl=brManoel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Question - Sao Matheus, Graciosa
Hi Margaret, Thanks, for the translation. It seems interesting that the godfather was the holy spirit. I don't think I have seen that before. Also, his full name does list Coelho as his last name from his marriage record, but not his baptismal record. Does anyone know how common it is to list a child's name more than just the first name?? David On Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:36:42 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote: Hi David, From what I read it does not show the full name with Coelho, the child was dedicated to the Holy Spirit, 3rd person of the Trinity, who was the child's Godfather. The record reads Manuel do Divino Emperador (of the Divine Emperor, another name given to the Holy Spirit). The document reads Godparents:, forao padrinhos o Divino Emperador e o Reverendo Mestre da Capela Francisco Jose de Bintancourt em nome de etc. God Parents were the Holy Spirit and the Reverend Master of the Chapel Francisco in name of ...(names another Priest living in the Terceira island) best, On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:09 AM, David Buckley oldsc...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I have a question from a baptismal record of my 6x g. grandfather Manuel do Divino Emperador Coelho. He was born 10 Aug 1770 in Sao Matheus, Graciosa. His parents were Francisco Jose Coelho and Ana Rosa do Livramento. The interesting thing about the record is that Manuel's full name is listed in the baptismal record instead of just his first name. How common was it to list more than just a first name? I also have a question on who the Padrinhos are? Any info would be helpful. Does Divino Emperador signify anything in particular? Maybe it has to do with Festa or something along those lines. Thanks, David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Hey there Manuel, The information you provided confirms what I wrote earlier. Your ancestor is a Friar/Brother/Monk not a Priest. *Freire* Joao Meireles as written in the referenced article. The birth record, also reads illegitimate son. Please note Eileen spoke of a Priest having a legitimate children and that is not possible in the Priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church. One other thing Friar Meireles also was a Knight of the Cross of Malta, a military religious order ..here's a short clip of the article provided by your link.. .. aquele Freire João Meireles, Cavaleiro da Cruz da Malta, homem rico, vivendo de seus bens, ao tempo em Ponta Delgada, por encontrar a mãe, a D. Maria, em casa dum tio, de quem ele era amigo The article also goes on to explain the birth record and hints of how the Vicar washed his hands off of it. Aliás, no termo de baptismo do filho há uma passagem curiosa quando a certa altura se lê: ''baptizei a João(17) f.º de Frej João Mereles, e Breitis Frs f.º ilegitimo''. O que nos leva a deduzir que seria legitimo dele e ilegítimo dela, uma maneira cavalheiresca de sacudir a água do capote com a conivência do Vigário Francisco Ferraz. Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Hi Manoel, Sure does happen. I have a record of a priest on Pico whose wife died and he became a priest in that village. Same happened for a priest on Terceira. Come to think of it, there is another on Terceira like that. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa From: mances man...@gmail.com Date: Sat, May 10, 2014 2:16 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Margaret, It happens. I descend from Frei João Meireles who had the son João baptized in Capelas on 16 feb 1659, ilha de São Miguel. See the link (middle, left side): http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667_item1/P119.html You can read more about Frei João Meireles in this link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dk-Vn_E0ZiMJ:www.ihit.pt/new/boletim.php%3Farea%3Dboletins%26id%3D80+cd=1hl=ptct=clnkgl=br Manoel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Question - Sao Matheus, Graciosa
You're welcome, David. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Margaret, Thanks, for the translation. It seems interesting that the godfather was the holy spirit. I don't think I have seen that before. Also, his full name does list Coelho as his last name from his marriage record, but not his baptismal record. Does anyone know how common it is to list a child's name more than just the first name?? David On Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:36:42 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote: Hi David, From what I read it does not show the full name with Coelho, the child was dedicated to the Holy Spirit, 3rd person of the Trinity, who was the child's Godfather. The record reads Manuel do Divino Emperador (of the Divine Emperor, another name given to the Holy Spirit). The document reads Godparents:, forao padrinhos o Divino Emperador e o Reverendo Mestre da Capela Francisco Jose de Bintancourt em nome de etc. God Parents were the Holy Spirit and the Reverend Master of the Chapel Francisco in name of ...(names another Priest living in the Terceira island) best, On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:09 AM, David Buckley oldsc...@gmail.comwrote: I have a question from a baptismal record of my 6x g. grandfather Manuel do Divino Emperador Coelho. He was born 10 Aug 1770 in Sao Matheus, Graciosa. His parents were Francisco Jose Coelho and Ana Rosa do Livramento. The interesting thing about the record is that Manuel's full name is listed in the baptismal record instead of just his first name. How common was it to list more than just a first name? I also have a question on who the Padrinhos are? Any info would be helpful. Does Divino Emperador signify anything in particular? Maybe it has to do with Festa or something along those lines. Thanks, David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa
Hi Margaret, I just wanted to help mentioning this case because you wrote that “the church didn't allow priests to marry nor did they registered illegitimate priests' children in this respective century”. Actually, it was not so unusual Priests having illegitimate children in Portugal and you can find them on the parish records. My ancestor from São Miguel was a Friar but I descend from a Priest through my maternal line that goes back to mainland Portugal. My ancestor Padre Antonio da Silva Coutinho was born in Armamar, Viseu, Portugal, on 22 jun 1668 and died there on 20 jul 1714. From 1680 to 1740 I found on the parish records for Armamar and nearby freguesias at least 4 Priests who had illegitimate children. Manoel Em sábado, 10 de maio de 2014 23h49min37s UTC-3, Mara escreveu: Hey there Manuel, The information you provided confirms what I wrote earlier. Your ancestor is a Friar/Brother/Monk not a Priest. *Freire* Joao Meireles as written in the referenced article. The birth record, also reads illegitimate son. Please note Eileen spoke of a Priest having a legitimate children and that is not possible in the Priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church. One other thing Friar Meireles also was a Knight of the Cross of Malta, a military religious order ..here's a short clip of the article provided by your link.. .. aquele Freire João Meireles, Cavaleiro da Cruz da Malta, homem rico, vivendo de seus bens, ao tempo em Ponta Delgada, por encontrar a mãe, a D. Maria, em casa dum tio, de quem ele era amigo The article also goes on to explain the birth record and hints of how the Vicar washed his hands off of it. Aliás, no termo de baptismo do filho há uma passagem curiosa quando a certa altura se lê: ''baptizei a João(17) f.º de Frej João Mereles, e Breitis Frs f.º ilegitimo''. O que nos leva a deduzir que seria legitimo dele e ilegítimo dela, uma maneira cavalheiresca de sacudir a água do capote com a conivência do Vigário Francisco Ferraz. Margaret On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM, pi...@dholmes.com javascript: wrote: Hi Manoel, Sure does happen. I have a record of a priest on Pico whose wife died and he became a priest in that village. Same happened for a priest on Terceira. Come to think of it, there is another on Terceira like that. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obitos - Graciosa From: mances man...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, May 10, 2014 2:16 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Hi Margaret, It happens. I descend from Frei João Meireles who had the son João baptized in Capelas on 16 feb 1659, ilha de São Miguel. See the link (middle, left side): http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1595-1667_item1/P119.html You can read more about Frei João Meireles in this link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dk-Vn_E0ZiMJ:www.ihit.pt/new/boletim.php%3Farea%3Dboletins%26id%3D80+cd=1hl=ptct=clnkgl=br Manoel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
