RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

Thank you Cheri!



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 Original message 
From: Cheri Mello 
Date: 3/10/17 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

The map of Pico is here. St. Mathew's is an English translation. I'm going to 
let you look at the map and see if you can figure it out:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/pico.html

Assuming "Rose" was born on Pico, look for a Rosa (or maybe Maria) born around 
her birthdate to parents named Manoel Silva (or Sylva) and Anna Maria (I'm 
guessing that's a typo you made). Only then will you be able to confirm or deny 
the family lore of Bettencourt.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually allow 
you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only a few of 
us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working on Sao 
Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the Azores group 
is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My work has been 
Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, if your path 
leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. I do have 
Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one possibility for 
Rosa. 

I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you read 
the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames did not 
necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do here in the 
States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good reading. Kathy 
or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you ask. 

I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board. 

Happy researching,
Gayle

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss  wrote:
> 
> That You Gayle, That helps!
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
> Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
> Pico born approx 1863
> 
> Mary Jane,
> 
> It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it 
> would be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss  wrote:
> 
>> Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia 
>> died June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents 
>> names were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  
>> from St. Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased 
>> her in 1926.
>> 
>> 
>> Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
>> Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
>> husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
>> variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
>> Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info 
>> on the death certificate.  
>> 
>> 
>> We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
>> husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
>> Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.
>> 
>> 
>> Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot 
>> be learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.  
>> 
>> 
>> I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records 
>> on Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Mary Jane
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

[Mary Jane Goss]

That You Gayle, That helps!



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From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records.

Gayle



On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
> wrote:


Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info on 
the death certificate.


We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.


Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.


I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.


Mary Jane

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

The infant mortality rate was high in all the islands (and was probably high in 
the whole world; in America most families lost more than one child. If you walk 
through an old New England cemetery where people often had family plots, you'll 
see many small markers in the form of lambs marking the graves of the babies 
that never made it) but the mortality rate for foundlings was scandalously high.
John 
 

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:30 PM, Louie Avila  
wrote:
 

 
Is it just Sao Jorge or did all the islands of the Azores have high mortality 
rates in the late 1700's?It just aches my heart when looking through Obits and 
seeing so many for your children (birth to 10 years old).
I've been trying to Google it but having a hard time finding out why ...
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores

[Louie Avila]

Interesting! Thank you!

Louie

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 2:30:42 PM UTC-8, Louie Avila wrote:
>
>
> Is it just Sao Jorge or did all the islands of the Azores have high 
> mortality rates in the late 1700's?
> It just aches my heart when looking through Obits and seeing so many for 
> your children (birth to 10 years old).
>
> I've been trying to Google it but having a hard time finding out why ...
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores

[John Athayde]

Mortality rates were high in general in the western world at the time. Even in 
the wealthy. Thomas Jefferson, for example, and his wife had 6 children in 10 
years. Only 2 survived more than 6 years.

Cheers
J

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Diane George  wrote:
> 
> Here is one list from Wikipedia of natural disasters:
>  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores#18th_century 
> 
>  
> Diane George
>   <>
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Louie Avila
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 2:31 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores
>  
>  
> Is it just Sao Jorge or did all the islands of the Azores have high mortality 
> rates in the late 1700's?
> It just aches my heart when looking through Obits and seeing so many for your 
> children (birth to 10 years old).
>  
> I've been trying to Google it but having a hard time finding out why ...
>  
> Louie
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores

[Diane George]

Here is one list from Wikipedia of natural disasters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores#18th_century

Diane George

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To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores


Is it just Sao Jorge or did all the islands of the Azores have high mortality 
rates in the late 1700's?
It just aches my heart when looking through Obits and seeing so many for your 
children (birth to 10 years old).

I've been trying to Google it but having a hard time finding out why ...

Louie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores

[Louie Avila]

Is it just Sao Jorge or did all the islands of the Azores have high 
mortality rates in the late 1700's?
It just aches my heart when looking through Obits and seeing so many for 
your children (birth to 10 years old).

I've been trying to Google it but having a hard time finding out why ...

Louie

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Perreira de Borba and Barbara Perreira Machado

[Louie Avila]

I had to go back 22 years to find them in Calheta ... 17 Jan 1739 ... Yes, 
the marriage says she's from Norte Grande ... wierd they married in Calheta.

Then I started looking for his parents ...  There is an index at the end of 
1696-1722 ... Wow, one of the oldest I've seen!

Louie

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-8, Louie Avila wrote:
>
>
> In this link (right hand side).
>
> Starting seven lines down ... It appears that Jose is the widower of 
> Barbara.
> After her name there is a description of where they might have married.
>
> Am I correct in assuming they were married in the same church and/or 
> Freguesia or another church?
>
> This church is Santa Catarina, Calheta.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781_item1/P82.html
>
> Louie
>
> I do see the bride is also a widow and was married or was from Norte 
> Pequeno.
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Perreira de Borba and Barbara Perreira Machado

[Cheri Mello]

The groom was from Santa Catarina. That's all your document says.

If a bride and groom are from different villages, they are more likely to
get married in the bride's parish.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Louie Avila 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri!
>
> I checked Calheta and they weren't listed ... I'll check neighboring
> churches.
>
> Louie
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Groom's name, he's the widower of, HE is a native ofNot married
>> with the marriage location of his deceased wife. The priests don't record
>> that information (although there could be that one priest out there). So
>> the groom is a native of the Matriz.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Louie Avila 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In this link (right hand side).
>>>
>>> Starting seven lines down ... It appears that Jose is the widower of
>>> Barbara.
>>> After her name there is a description of where they might have married.
>>>
>>> Am I correct in assuming they were married in the same church and/or
>>> Freguesia or another church?
>>>
>>> This church is Santa Catarina, Calheta.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>>> CALHETA-C-1745-1781/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781_item1/P82.html
>>>
>>> Louie
>>>
>>> I do see the bride is also a widow and was married or was from Norte
>>> Pequeno.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Perreira de Borba and Barbara Perreira Machado

[Louie Avila]

Thanks Cheri!

I checked Calheta and they weren't listed ... I'll check neighboring 
churches.

Louie

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 12:25:27 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Groom's name, he's the widower of, HE is a native ofNot married 
> with the marriage location of his deceased wife. The priests don't record 
> that information (although there could be that one priest out there). So 
> the groom is a native of the Matriz.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Louie Avila  > wrote:
>
>>
>> In this link (right hand side).
>>
>> Starting seven lines down ... It appears that Jose is the widower of 
>> Barbara.
>> After her name there is a description of where they might have married.
>>
>> Am I correct in assuming they were married in the same church and/or 
>> Freguesia or another church?
>>
>> This church is Santa Catarina, Calheta.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781_item1/P82.html
>>
>> Louie
>>
>> I do see the bride is also a widow and was married or was from Norte 
>> Pequeno.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Marthias de Varga and Emmanuel de Silva

[Cheri Mello]

The Farilhoes are not part of the Azores archipelago. I think they belong
to a district in Portugal itself. I don't know where or how their records
are housed. You can search the FamilySearch.org catalog or try Tombo.pt.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:05 AM, Michele  wrote:

> Have just received this information from my aunt and would be interested
> to know if anyone can provide me with more information.
> Thanks for your help.
> Michele
>
> Antonio Marthias de Varga and Emmanuel de Silva who were cousins arrived
> in Auckland from the Farilhoes in Portugal on the whaling ship the “Noble”
> in 1840.
>
> Antonio changed his name to Martin and married Agnes Fleming from Scotland
> in 1849.  They had 14 children, the third child being Antonio born 1854.
>
> Emmanuel became Christian and married Agnes sister Christina in 1856.
> They had 4 children, the youngest being Josephine Louisa born 1860.
>
> Antonio married Josephine in 1885 and they had 4 children, the eldest
> being Isabel Josephine born 1886.
>
> Isabel Josephine Martin married John Thomas Claybrough in 1906.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Baptismos - Graciosa

[Shirley Allegre]

This is what it looks like to me:

Maria
DOB: 29 Dec 1736
BAPT: 4 Jan 1737, at N.S. Luz
Parents
Manoel da Conde Sodre, native of N.S. Luz  X  Maria da Betancor (Bettencourt), 
native N.S. Guadalupe.

Shirley in CA

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  Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 9:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Baptismos - Graciosa


  His name, her name naturais, elle deste parochial de N. Sn.ra de Luz eella 
(should be e ella)

  da parochial da N. Sn.ra da Gua da lupe.  Looks like he's spaced out 
Guadalupe to me.



  Cheri Mello
  Listowner, Azores-Gen
  Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


  On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Lee  wrote:

Can some please help with the record of Maria (left side, middle - 1737 
written above her name)?


She is the daughter of Manoel de Conde Sodre of the Parish of Luz and of 
Maria de Bettencourt  of the Ilha da Suppne??? (Wrong, I know) and fregusia da 
Guill?? (Guadalupe?)


I cannot make this out.



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742_item1/P61.html



Or; do I have it totally wrong and they are both from Luz?


Any help greatly appreciated.


Thank you in advance.


Lee Estep
Oak Hill WV





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Marthias de Varga and Emmanuel de Silva

[Michele]

Have just received this information from my aunt and would be interested to 
know if anyone can provide me with more information.
Thanks for your help.
Michele

Antonio Marthias de Varga and Emmanuel de Silva who were cousins arrived in 
Auckland from the Farilhoes in Portugal on the whaling ship the “Noble” in 
1840.

Antonio changed his name to Martin and married Agnes Fleming from Scotland 
in 1849.  They had 14 children, the third child being Antonio born 1854.

Emmanuel became Christian and married Agnes sister Christina in 1856.  They 
had 4 children, the youngest being Josephine Louisa born 1860.

Antonio married Josephine in 1885 and they had 4 children, the eldest being 
Isabel Josephine born 1886.

Isabel Josephine Martin married John Thomas Claybrough in 1906.

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Perreira de Borba and Barbara Perreira Machado

[Cheri Mello]

Groom's name, he's the widower of, HE is a native ofNot married
with the marriage location of his deceased wife. The priests don't record
that information (although there could be that one priest out there). So
the groom is a native of the Matriz.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Louie Avila 
wrote:

>
> In this link (right hand side).
>
> Starting seven lines down ... It appears that Jose is the widower of
> Barbara.
> After her name there is a description of where they might have married.
>
> Am I correct in assuming they were married in the same church and/or
> Freguesia or another church?
>
> This church is Santa Catarina, Calheta.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781_item1/P82.html
>
> Louie
>
> I do see the bride is also a widow and was married or was from Norte
> Pequeno.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Perreira de Borba and Barbara Perreira Machado

[Louie Avila]

In this link (right hand side).

Starting seven lines down ... It appears that Jose is the widower of 
Barbara.
After her name there is a description of where they might have married.

Am I correct in assuming they were married in the same church and/or 
Freguesia or another church?

This church is Santa Catarina, Calheta.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781_item1/P82.html

Louie

I do see the bride is also a widow and was married or was from Norte 
Pequeno.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

[Joseph Mendonca]

This is an excerpt from the public library on what info is needed when
ordering a certificate.  I have all of it, including the parish and date of
birth, except the parents, which, together with the grandparents, is what
I'm trying to find out.

"*para identificação de um registo paroquial de batismo*: o nome do
registado, a data de nascimento e/ou de batismo, *a filiação (nomes dos
pais)* e a paróquia ou freguesia do concelho, nas ilhas de São Miguel ou de
Santa Maria, onde ocorreu o nascimento e/ou o batismo;"

Then it goes on to say that if you don't have all the information to first
consult the CCA.  It's the dog chasing it's own tail.  I may be temporarily
stuck.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thank you all for your responses.  I'll try to see what I can accomplish
> at the archive.  It would be great if the CCA would put more years online.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Tish M  wrote:
>
>> Good idea Margaret. I would think they have enough material to work with.
>> Do you have any ideas, João Ventura?
>> Tish
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All years up to 1917 will be at the Public Library.
>>>
>>> We should be contacting CCA to inquire when will they be bringing the
>>> parishes up to date in conformance with the 100 year rule?  If enough of us
>>> do this they may give it consideration.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Margaret.  Any idea about the years in between 1905 and 1909?
>>> I need 1908.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 That's because the years 1909 to 1916 have been transferred to the
 Public Library.  You will need to order in writing and include the cost.
 It's only a few cents for a copy but if you want it stamped/certified it
 will cost around E$20

 You can also call them to find out more.  Here's the link for
 "Biblioteca Publica e Arquivo Digital"

 https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant=1
 pv=2=UTF-8#q=biblioteca+publica+ponta+delgada=1
 a=0=37742313,-25667461,298=lcl=185151551936
 4667427=lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&*


 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
 jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the
> field on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error
> message saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we
>> were on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil
>> Registration offices.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
>>>
>>> JMR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
>>> Required fields
>>> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
>>> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
>>>
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I
>>> wasn't sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate
>>> family.  I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that
>>> site.  I ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the 
>>> early
>>> 2000's with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>>>
>>> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I *think* this is it:
>>> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
>>> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
>>> 
>>>
>>> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you
>>> need to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca <
>>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thank you all for your responses.  I'll try to see what I can accomplish at
the archive.  It would be great if the CCA would put more years online.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Tish M  wrote:

> Good idea Margaret. I would think they have enough material to work with.
> Do you have any ideas, João Ventura?
> Tish
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All years up to 1917 will be at the Public Library.
>>
>> We should be contacting CCA to inquire when will they be bringing the
>> parishes up to date in conformance with the 100 year rule?  If enough of us
>> do this they may give it consideration.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Margaret.  Any idea about the years in between 1905 and 1909?
>> I need 1908.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's because the years 1909 to 1916 have been transferred to the
>>> Public Library.  You will need to order in writing and include the cost.
>>> It's only a few cents for a copy but if you want it stamped/certified it
>>> will cost around E$20
>>>
>>> You can also call them to find out more.  Here's the link for
>>> "Biblioteca Publica e Arquivo Digital"
>>>
>>> https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant=1
>>> pv=2=UTF-8#q=biblioteca+publica+ponta+delgada=1
>>> a=0=37742313,-25667461,298=lcl=185151551936
>>> 4667427=lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the
 field on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error
 message saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.

 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
 wrote:

> Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we
> were on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil
> Registration offices.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
>>
>> JMR
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
>> Required fields
>> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
>> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I
>> wasn't sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate
>> family.  I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that
>> site.  I ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early
>> 2000's with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>>
>> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this is it:
>> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
>> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
>> 
>>
>> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you
>> need to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca <
>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
>> Registry? Online or snail mail?
>>
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