I am not entirely convinced that natural meant the child was not born to
legitimate married parents. I wish I had made note of it, but while I
researching CCA Records I have seen numerous consecutive pages where the
priest wrote natural vs legitimate. Another priest would come in and write
a reality.
I hope that this is not construed as anything other than what it says.
Hermano
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:55:28 -0800
From: herbandj...@verizon.net
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Legitimate vs Natural
I am not entirely convinced that natural meant the child
It's ok Hermano I don't have a Buble. Lol. I'm just not convinced entirely that
all references to natural meant that the child was born out of wedlock . Thanks
for your feedback. I certainly appreciate and respect everyone's opinion though
I may not always agree. Thank you
Herb
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Herb
I hate to burst your bubble but whenever the priest says natural the child
was born out of wedlock
Excellent and worthwhile discussion. I don't usually participate in the back
and forth but this one has piqued my interest. Thank you to all who have teed
it up for discussion today. Herb
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In the CCA baptism records, I see that some are worded as legitimate and
others are worded as natural, and the latter seem to omit the father.
What is the difference? why is the father omitted in the naturals?
Thanks,
Dave
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David J. L.,
A legitimate child was born in wedlock. A natural child was born out of
wedlock. Many times the mother would not name the father. Once in a while
she would. And having the mom baptize the child and not name the father is
much more common in the Azores. Probably Madeira too, but
A natural child is one where the parents were not married to each other bur
neither parent was married to somebody else. There was no adultery involved,
only two people coming together without benefit of clergy. In other words, they
were free to marry each other if they so desired. An
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A natural child is one where the parents were not married to each other
bur neither parent was married
John R,
Yes, there are 3 ways to list the baptism and I just made it 2 ways.
Legitimate: Parents are married
Natural: Parents are NOT married
Illegitimate: One parent married to someone else, as you stated.
That is, if the priest follows the rules (which they do, most of the time).
Now to find
You will also occasionally seepai incerto of uncertain father , pai
incognito, of unknown father. .
I have seen at least three records that stated one of those, yet stated
the paternal grandparents. You could only analyze that to means they didn't
know which brother.
Eric Edgar
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