Part of genealogy research is to read records in the context of the writer
and the society that existed with their morals and beliefs for that time.
Because the records which we are looking at were written by the Catholic
Church unless a marriage was recognized by the Church it does not exist and
as such any children that did not come from an unrecognized marriage was
considered illegitimate. Instead of writing illegitimate in the records the
church used Filho/a natural to say that the parents were not married to each
other.  Legitimate also had a legal meaning at that time in that legitimate
children could inherited property of the parents. Illegitimate children
could not inherit property of his natural parents. 

 

In the history of the US we adopted what is called Common Law marriages in
our early history which was adopted from the English law system.  A couple
was considered married without any ceremony or legal action if they lived
together as man and wife and had children. Even today in some states Common
Law marriages could be recognized but most states and localities would
rather collect a fee for a marriage license. You will find court cases today
where unmarried couples  that have children split up and the courts will
treat it as a divorce case (custody of children, visitation etc.).

 

This is an interesting discussion and worth revisiting whenever we come
across an unusual record.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Hermano C. Pires
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Legitimate vs Natural

 

Herb
I hate to burst your bubble but whenever the priest says "natural" the child
was born out of wedlock (as recognised by the Church). Coexisting was not
(is not) recognised.
And for sure adulterous and  out of wedlock relationships were not common,
they were never the less in some cases a reality.
I hope that this is not construed as anything other than what it says.
Hermano

 

> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:55:28 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Legitimate vs Natural
> 
> I am not entirely convinced that natural meant the child was not born to
legitimate married parents. I wish I had made note of it, but while I
researching CCA Records I have seen numerous consecutive pages where the
priest wrote natural vs legitimate. Another priest would come in and write
legitimate in his records and I think that some priests just chose to
describe the birth this way. In my view it does not necessarily mean that
the child was not legitimate and born to legitimate parents. Children born
out of wedlock or to adulterous relationships in the Azores were truly the
exception not the rule. Not all references to natural should be construed to
mean that the child was not legitimate and born to married parents. Some
priests simply described it differently. That's my view based on my
experience doing research and my understanding of Portuguese/Azorean
culture. 
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