RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
Thank you.  I was not aware of that. 

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Gonçalo Marques
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 1:05 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"


Trindade refers to Santíssima Trindade, the Holy Trinity

Cheers
Gonçalo


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On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:45 PM 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
All along I thought Trindade was a surname. I knew about devotional names, just 
didn't know Trindade was one. Guess I don't know my saints very well.  Thanks 
for the clarification Cheri.

On Mar 1, 2019 12:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women take a 
devotional name as their middle name.

The 2nd time period (1860 or so - 1911 or so) the women didn't have surnames. 
So if they didn't have surnames, I don't force one. It didn't happen there and 
I"m not going to put my American way of research onto a Portuguese naming 
custom.

Here's an article from the Azores GenWeb on Naming Practices:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:32 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri.  Why do you leave the female surname blank 
if it is given?  (Trindade).  I leave it blank unless one is listed in the 
record but; put it in when it shows in the record..
 
Thanks ,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
 
Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the road 
when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da Souza and 
Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da Trindade and I put 
in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza and Marianna da 
Trindade." 
 
De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese names 
would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname prefix. In the 
above example I would enter the names like this:
Given: Manuel da
Surname: Sousa
and for her:
Given: Mariana da Trindade
Surname:
 
Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured 
genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all.
 
 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for ease 
of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?  Also, I’m 
thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to cause problems 
for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for people with several 
surnames.  Opinions?
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Leonor Bertoni
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
 
Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and 
said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry 
stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I 
silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss, but one 
day they will see what frustration really is!
 
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people 
writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more 
recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our 
grandkids deal with that one! LOL


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni  wrote:
I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen Joze, 
Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario where as 
today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the Spanish kept 
the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
 
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along with 
several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a function of 
time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering this.  I know 
Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I think I’ve also see 
Tereza.  Am I wrong?
 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci
LOL, you are s right!!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 2:10 PM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oohhh but the “when we take over” would be music to my ears!! How
> wonderful!!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy who has been at this a long time and wonders “who
> will take over”!!
>
> On Mar 1, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother
> and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this
> ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this
> frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance
> is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is!
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people
>> writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more
>> recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our
>> grandkids deal with that one! LOL
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve
>>> seen Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do
>>> Rozario where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly
>>> enough, the Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza
 along with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it
 a function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering
 this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I
 think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?



 Thanks for sharing your knowledge,



 Sam (Mazatlán, MX)




 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
Oohhh but the “when we take over” would be music to my ears!! How wonderful!!

Susan Vargas Murphy who has been at this a long time and wonders “who will 
take over”!! 

> On Mar 1, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Leonor Bertoni  wrote:
> 
> Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and 
> said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry 
> stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I 
> silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss, but one 
> day they will see what frustration really is!
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people 
>> writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more 
>> recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our 
>> grandkids deal with that one! LOL
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni  
>>> wrote:
>>> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen 
>>> Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario 
>>> where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the 
>>> Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along 
 with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a 
 function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering 
 this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I 
 think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?
 
  
 
 Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
 
  
 
 Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
  
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread Gonçalo Marques
Trindade refers to Santíssima Trindade, the Holy Trinity

Cheers
Gonçalo

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On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:45 PM 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> All along I thought Trindade was a surname. I knew about devotional names,
> just didn't know Trindade was one. Guess I don't know my saints very well.
> Thanks for the clarification Cheri.
>
> On Mar 1, 2019 12:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women take
> a devotional name as their middle name.
>
> The 2nd time period (1860 or so - 1911 or so) the women didn't have
> surnames. So if they didn't have surnames, I don't force one. It didn't
> happen there and I"m not going to put my American way of research onto a
> Portuguese naming custom.
>
> Here's an article from the Azores GenWeb on Naming Practices:
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:32 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri.  Why do you leave the female surname
> blank if it is given?  (Trindade).  I leave it blank unless one is listed
> in the record but; put it in when it shows in the record..
>
>
>
> Thanks ,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
>
>
>
> Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the
> road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da
> Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da
> Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza
> and Marianna da Trindade."
>
>
>
> De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese
> names would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname
> prefix. In the above example I would enter the names like this:
>
> Given: Manuel da
>
> Surname: Sousa
>
> and for her:
>
> Given: Mariana da Trindade
>
> Surname:
>
>
>
> Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured
> genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for
> ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?
> Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to
> cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for
> people with several surnames.  Opinions?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
>
>
>
> Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother
> and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this
> ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this
> frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance
> is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people
> writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more
> recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our
> grandkids deal with that one! LOL
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy
All along I thought Trindade was a surname. I knew about devotional names, just didn't know Trindade was one. Guess I don't know my saints very well.  Thanks for the clarification Cheri.On Mar 1, 2019 12:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women take a devotional name as their middle name.The 2nd time period (1860 or so - 1911 or so) the women didn't have surnames. So if they didn't have surnames, I don't force one. It didn't happen there and I"m not going to put my American way of research onto a Portuguese naming custom.Here's an article from the Azores GenWeb on Naming Practices:http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.htmlCheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:32 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri.  Why do you leave the female surname blank if it is given?  (Trindade).  I leave it blank unless one is listed in the record but; put it in when it shows in the record.. Thanks , Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Cheri MelloSent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AMTo: Azores GenealogySubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza and Marianna da Trindade."  De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese names would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname prefix. In the above example I would enter the names like this:Given: Manuel daSurname: Sousaand for her:Given: Mariana da TrindadeSurname: Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all.  Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada  On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?  Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for people with several surnames.  Opinions? Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Leonor BertoniSent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is! On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello <gfscherim@gmail.com> wrote:About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our grandkids deal with that one! LOLCheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada  On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni <leonor.bertoni@gmail.com> wrote:I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc. On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong? Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)  Virus-free. www.avast.com-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread Cheri Mello
Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women take a
devotional name as their middle name.

The 2nd time period (1860 or so - 1911 or so) the women didn't have
surnames. So if they didn't have surnames, I don't force one. It didn't
happen there and I"m not going to put my American way of research onto a
Portuguese naming custom.

Here's an article from the Azores GenWeb on Naming Practices:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:32 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri.  Why do you leave the female surname
> blank if it is given?  (Trindade).  I leave it blank unless one is listed
> in the record but; put it in when it shows in the record..
>
>
>
> Thanks ,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
>
>
>
> Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the
> road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da
> Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da
> Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza
> and Marianna da Trindade."
>
>
>
> De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese
> names would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname
> prefix. In the above example I would enter the names like this:
>
> Given: Manuel da
>
> Surname: Sousa
>
> and for her:
>
> Given: Mariana da Trindade
>
> Surname:
>
>
>
> Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured
> genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for
> ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?
> Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to
> cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for
> people with several surnames.  Opinions?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
>
>
>
> Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother
> and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this
> ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this
> frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance
> is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people
> writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more
> recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our
> grandkids deal with that one! LOL
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen
> Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario
> where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the
> Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along
> with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a
> function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering
> this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I
> think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri.  Why do you leave the female surname blank 
if it is given?  (Trindade).  I leave it blank unless one is listed in the 
record but; put it in when it shows in the record..

Thanks ,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the road 
when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da Souza and 
Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da Trindade and I put 
in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza and Marianna da 
Trindade." 

De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese names 
would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname prefix. In the 
above example I would enter the names like this:
Given: Manuel da
Surname: Sousa
and for her:
Given: Mariana da Trindade
Surname:

Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured 
genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for ease 
of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?  Also, I’m 
thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to cause problems 
for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for people with several 
surnames.  Opinions?
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Leonor Bertoni
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
 
Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and 
said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry 
stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I 
silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss, but one 
day they will see what frustration really is!
 
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people 
writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more 
recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our 
grandkids deal with that one! LOL


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni  wrote:
I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen Joze, 
Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario where as 
today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the Spanish kept 
the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
 
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along with 
several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a function of 
time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering this.  I know 
Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I think I’ve also see 
Tereza.  Am I wrong?
 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread Cheri Mello
Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the
road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da
Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da
Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza
and Marianna da Trindade."

De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese
names would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname
prefix. In the above example I would enter the names like this:
Given: Manuel da
Surname: Sousa
and for her:
Given: Mariana da Trindade
Surname:

Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured
genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for
> ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?
> Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to
> cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for
> people with several surnames.  Opinions?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
>
>
>
> Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother
> and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this
> ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this
> frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance
> is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people
> writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more
> recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our
> grandkids deal with that one! LOL
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen
> Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario
> where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the
> Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along
> with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a
> function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering
> this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I
> think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for ease 
of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?  Also, I’m 
thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to cause problems 
for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for people with several 
surnames.  Opinions?

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Leonor Bertoni
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and 
said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry 
stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I 
silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss, but one 
day they will see what frustration really is!

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people 
writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more 
recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our 
grandkids deal with that one! LOL


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni  wrote:
I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen Joze, 
Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario where as 
today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the Spanish kept 
the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along with 
several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a function of 
time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering this.  I know 
Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I think I’ve also see 
Tereza.  Am I wrong?
 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread Leonor Bertoni
Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother
and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this
ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this
frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance
is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is!

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people
> writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more
> recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our
> grandkids deal with that one! LOL
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen
>> Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario
>> where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the
>> Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza
>>> along with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it
>>> a function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering
>>> this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I
>>> think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
Thanks Leonor;  I thought that was the case but; I had remembered once someone 
saying that it was never with an “s” or maybe the person said never a “z”.  
Can’t remember which.  Anyway, a function of time period.  

Thanks,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Leonor Bertoni
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:25 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen Joze, 
Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario where as 
today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the Spanish kept 
the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along with 
several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a function of 
time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering this.  I know 
Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I think I’ve also see 
Tereza.  Am I wrong?
 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread Cheri Mello
About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people
writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more
recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our
grandkids deal with that one! LOL
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen
> Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario
> where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the
> Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza
>> along with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it
>> a function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering
>> this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I
>> think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

2019-03-01 Thread Leonor Bertoni
I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen
Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario
where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the
Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along
> with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a
> function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering
> this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I
> think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
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