Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Maria Sousa]

Thank you to all!  This has been most helpful and fascinating.

Maria Sousa

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:59 AM 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I also found this in the archives:
>
> Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
> 
>
> Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
>
> 
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 10:32:34 AM EDT, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores
> Genealogy  wrote:
>
>
> Thank you very much John! I think I read this years ago but it
> Was very good to read again and I will file in a place for safe keeping!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:22 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared
> it with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been
> published on this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who
> have found it and either want more information, want to express their
> surprise at how awful this situation was, and to express their appreciation
> for Eloise's hard work and erudition on this subject.
>
> You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was
> taboo just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be.
> Times change, and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years
> ago is now open for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on
> slavery in the Azores.
>
> What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration
> and to whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:
>
> Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an *exposto* or two.
> It is indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to
> marry and to have children.
>
> *Expostos* - a translation : A very sad situation.
>
> Eloise Cadinha
>
> (The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an article
> written by Henrique Bras (1884-) in *Boletim de Instituto Histórico da
> Ilha Terceira*, 1947.)
>
> In the last three centuries there is a long list of *filhos da igreja*
> (children of the church), also known at times in baptismal records in the
> parish registers of Terceira, as children of unknown fathers and mothers 
> (*filho(a)
> de pais incógnitos*), who were often baptized with the most noble or
> notable or the very rich people of Terceira serving as godparents.  In more
> recent times the number of children secretly abandoned at the *rodas*
> (wheels) had greatly increased, despite the many recently born innocents
> who died when abandoned, and the few for whom the fear of discovery, still
> did not keep them from being strangled before seeing the light of day.
> Providing support for these children who survived became one of the most
> difficult problems for the various city halls on the island, demanding a
> new special tax...which the people agreed was needed but not without
> grumbling and finding fault with the new tax.
>
> On April 29, 1800, the Conde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in
> Angra, informed an official of the Royal Court that in the last ten years
> the Cathedral had annually registered the baptism of an average of 97
> *expostos* and also registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this
> number was only of those *engeitados* (abandoned ones) who had arrived at
> the Cathedral to be baptized, those that had been left in the *Casa da
> Roda*, and this number was only for Angra.
>
> The city council continued without resources to provide for these children
> and thought about creating a lottery for that purpose.
>
> It needs to be said: with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people,
> there were yearly on an average 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown
> parents, legally registered and of which 83 of these died -- naturally by
> affectionate handling, sheltered and well wrapped care.
>
> [Translator’s note: the author mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from
> the famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin if he knew of this
> novel, *O Crime do Padre Amaro, *and he said  that he had read it long
> ago, and it was about a woman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed
> them by wrapping them up and drowning them in the river.  She was referred
> to as something like the "maker of angels," *(tecedeira de anjos) *the
> idea being that she was creating angels by killing the babies.]
>
> On October 20, 1782, the vicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de
> Bettencourt, commissioned the rector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara
> Merens, to organize a separate book to register the baptisms and deaths of
> these abandoned children.
>
> In the year of 1783 there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of
> *expostos*:
>
> In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
> In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
> In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

 I also found this in the archives:
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

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John Miranda Raposo

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 10:32:34 AM EDT, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores 
Genealogy  wrote:  
 
 Thank you very much John! I think I read this years ago but itWas very good to 
read again and I will file in a place for safe keeping!
Susan Vargas Murphy 

On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:22 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:



 Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared it 
with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been published on 
this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who have found it 
and either want more information, want to express their surprise at how awful 
this situation was, and to express their appreciation for Eloise's hard work 
and erudition on this subject.
You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was taboo 
just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be. Times change, 
and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years ago is now open 
for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on slavery in the Azores.
What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration and to 
whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:

Most of us as weresearch our ancestors will find an expostoor two.  It is 
indeed miraculous that they were able to survive toadulthood, to marry and to 
have children. 


Expostos - a translation : A very sad situation.

EloiseCadinha

(The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an articlewritten 
by Henrique Bras (1884-) in Boletimde Instituto Histórico da Ilha Terceira, 
1947.)

In the last threecenturies there is a long list of filhosda igreja (children of 
the church), also known at times in baptismalrecords in the parish registers of 
Terceira, as children of unknown fathers andmothers (filho(a) de pais 
incógnitos),who were often baptized with the most noble or notable or the very 
rich peopleof Terceira serving as godparents.  In more recent times the number 
ofchildren secretly abandoned at the rodas(wheels) had greatly increased, 
despite the many recently born innocents whodied when abandoned, and the few 
for whom the fear of discovery, still did notkeep them from being strangled 
before seeing the light of day.  Providingsupport for these children who 
survived became one of the most difficultproblems for the various city halls on 
the island, demanding a new specialtax...which the people agreed was needed but 
not without grumbling and findingfault with the new tax.  

On April 29, 1800, theConde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in Angra, 
informed an officialof the Royal Court that in the last ten years the Cathedral 
had annually registeredthe baptism of an average of 97 expostosand also 
registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this number wasonly of those 
engeitados (abandonedones) who had arrived at the Cathedral to be baptized, 
those that had been leftin the Casa da Roda, and this numberwas only for Angra. 
 
The city councilcontinued without resources to provide for these children and 
thought aboutcreating a lottery for that purpose.  

It needs to be said:with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, there 
were yearly on anaverage 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown parents, 
legally registeredand of which 83 of these died -- naturally by affectionate 
handling, shelteredand well wrapped care. 

[Translator’s note: theauthor mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the 
famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin ifhe knew of this novel, O 
Crime do PadreAmaro, and he said  that he had read it long ago, and it was 
about awoman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping them 
upand drowning them in the river.  She was referred to as something like 
the"maker of angels," (tecedeirade anjos) the idea being that she was creating 
angels by killing the babies.]

On October 20, 1782, thevicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de 
Bettencourt, commissioned therector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara Merens, 
to organize a separate book toregister the baptisms and deaths of these 
abandoned children.

In the year of 1783there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of expostos:

In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 deaths;
In 1787, 86 baptisms, 100 deaths;
In 1788, 100 baptisms;
In 1789, 95 baptisms.

There were no deaths recorded for the years 1788 and 1789 but resumed again 
thefollowing year.  One can see that in 10 years the births and deaths of 
thefoundlings was astounding.  

Painful emotions squeezethe soul when one looks through the pages, tiny 
tragedies sown through this separatebook of the Cathedral.  The records 
indicate the names of the amas (wet-nurses) nominated by city 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you very much John! I think I read this years ago but it
Was very good to read again and I will file in a place for safe keeping!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:22 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared it 
> with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been published on 
> this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who have found it 
> and either want more information, want to express their surprise at how awful 
> this situation was, and to express their appreciation for Eloise's hard work 
> and erudition on this subject.
> 
> You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was taboo 
> just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be. Times 
> change, and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years ago is 
> now open for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on slavery in 
> the Azores.
> 
> What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration and 
> to whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:
> 
> Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an exposto or two.  It is 
> indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to marry and 
> to have children. 
> Expostos - a translation : A very sad situation.
> Eloise Cadinha
> (The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an article 
> written by Henrique Bras (1884-) in Boletim de Instituto Histórico da Ilha 
> Terceira, 1947.)
> In the last three centuries there is a long list of filhos da igreja 
> (children of the church), also known at times in baptismal records in the 
> parish registers of Terceira, as children of unknown fathers and mothers 
> (filho(a) de pais incógnitos), who were often baptized with the most noble or 
> notable or the very rich people of Terceira serving as godparents.  In more 
> recent times the number of children secretly abandoned at the rodas (wheels) 
> had greatly increased, despite the many recently born innocents who died when 
> abandoned, and the few for whom the fear of discovery, still did not keep 
> them from being strangled before seeing the light of day.  Providing support 
> for these children who survived became one of the most difficult problems for 
> the various city halls on the island, demanding a new special tax...which the 
> people agreed was needed but not without grumbling and finding fault with the 
> new tax. 
> 
> On April 29, 1800, the Conde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in 
> Angra, informed an official of the Royal Court that in the last ten years the 
> Cathedral had annually registered the baptism of an average of 97 expostos 
> and also registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this number was only 
> of those engeitados (abandoned ones) who had arrived at the Cathedral to be 
> baptized, those that had been left in the Casa da Roda, and this number was 
> only for Angra. 
> The city council continued without resources to provide for these children 
> and thought about creating a lottery for that purpose. 
> It needs to be said: with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, 
> there were yearly on an average 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown 
> parents, legally registered and of which 83 of these died -- naturally by 
> affectionate handling, sheltered and well wrapped care.
> [Translator’s note: the author mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the 
> famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin if he knew of this novel, O 
> Crime do Padre Amaro, and he said  that he had read it long ago, and it was 
> about a woman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping 
> them up and drowning them in the river.  She was referred to as something 
> like the "maker of angels," (tecedeira de anjos) the idea being that she was 
> creating angels by killing the babies.]
> On October 20, 1782, the vicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de 
> Bettencourt, commissioned the rector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara 
> Merens, to organize a separate book to register the baptisms and deaths of 
> these abandoned children.
> In the year of 1783 there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of 
> expostos:
> In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
> In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
> In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 deaths;
> In 1787, 86 baptisms, 100 deaths;
> In 1788, 100 baptisms;
> In 1789, 95 baptisms.
> There were no deaths recorded for the years 1788 and 1789 but resumed again 
> the following year.  One can see that in 10 years the births and deaths of 
> the foundlings was astounding. 
> Painful emotions squeeze the soul when one looks through the pages, tiny 
> tragedies sown through this separate book of the Cathedral.  The records 
> indicate the names of the amas (wet-nurses) nominated by city hall for each 
> exposto.  They were single women, 'loose' women, married women and widows. 
> In 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

 Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared it 
with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been published on 
this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who have found it 
and either want more information, want to express their surprise at how awful 
this situation was, and to express their appreciation for Eloise's hard work 
and erudition on this subject.
You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was taboo 
just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be. Times change, 
and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years ago is now open 
for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on slavery in the Azores.
What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration and to 
whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:

Most of us as weresearch our ancestors will find an expostoor two.  It is 
indeed miraculous that they were able to survive toadulthood, to marry and to 
have children. 


Expostos - a translation : A very sad situation.

EloiseCadinha

(The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an articlewritten 
by Henrique Bras (1884-) in Boletimde Instituto Histórico da Ilha Terceira, 
1947.)

In the last threecenturies there is a long list of filhosda igreja (children of 
the church), also known at times in baptismalrecords in the parish registers of 
Terceira, as children of unknown fathers andmothers (filho(a) de pais 
incógnitos),who were often baptized with the most noble or notable or the very 
rich peopleof Terceira serving as godparents.  In more recent times the number 
ofchildren secretly abandoned at the rodas(wheels) had greatly increased, 
despite the many recently born innocents whodied when abandoned, and the few 
for whom the fear of discovery, still did notkeep them from being strangled 
before seeing the light of day.  Providingsupport for these children who 
survived became one of the most difficultproblems for the various city halls on 
the island, demanding a new specialtax...which the people agreed was needed but 
not without grumbling and findingfault with the new tax.  

On April 29, 1800, theConde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in Angra, 
informed an officialof the Royal Court that in the last ten years the Cathedral 
had annually registeredthe baptism of an average of 97 expostosand also 
registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this number wasonly of those 
engeitados (abandonedones) who had arrived at the Cathedral to be baptized, 
those that had been leftin the Casa da Roda, and this numberwas only for Angra. 
 
The city councilcontinued without resources to provide for these children and 
thought aboutcreating a lottery for that purpose.  

It needs to be said:with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, there 
were yearly on anaverage 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown parents, 
legally registeredand of which 83 of these died -- naturally by affectionate 
handling, shelteredand well wrapped care. 

[Translator’s note: theauthor mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the 
famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin ifhe knew of this novel, O 
Crime do PadreAmaro, and he said  that he had read it long ago, and it was 
about awoman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping them 
upand drowning them in the river.  She was referred to as something like 
the"maker of angels," (tecedeirade anjos) the idea being that she was creating 
angels by killing the babies.]

On October 20, 1782, thevicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de 
Bettencourt, commissioned therector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara Merens, 
to organize a separate book toregister the baptisms and deaths of these 
abandoned children.

In the year of 1783there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of expostos:

In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 deaths;
In 1787, 86 baptisms, 100 deaths;
In 1788, 100 baptisms;
In 1789, 95 baptisms.

There were no deaths recorded for the years 1788 and 1789 but resumed again 
thefollowing year.  One can see that in 10 years the births and deaths of 
thefoundlings was astounding.  

Painful emotions squeezethe soul when one looks through the pages, tiny 
tragedies sown through this separatebook of the Cathedral.  The records 
indicate the names of the amas (wet-nurses) nominated by city hallfor each 
exposto.  They weresingle women, 'loose' women, married women and widows.  

In the Casa da Roda...in the city of Angra,there was the rodeiro (the man 
incharge of the wheel) who had at least one assistant, in order to rescue 
quicklyany of the new guests secretly left at the door in the silence of the 
night.The newborn was left there, shivering in the cold until the door 
providentiallywas opened.  It was rare to announce a visit to the Roda, for 
fear of the discovery of the mother’s identity which wasof 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Cheri Mello]

We know historically that the rodas were to be used for offerings to the
church and that the abandoned babies were left there.

What about today? Do they use the rodas still for offerings? What does a
woman or young girl do if she cannot provide for her baby today?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:53 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Well, I just looked for it and didn't find it so I guess it never was
> there! I could have sworn that it was on the site but I guess not.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:03 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Rosemarie, where? I can't find it. Where did you see it?
>>
>> I've emailed Eloise asking her permission to have the article posted on
>> the Azores GenWeb (unless it's already there - as I said, I can't find it.)
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here:
>>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>>> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Linda,

 I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but
 never found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
 access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?

 Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this
 site.   I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is
 below.

 Thank you!

 Debbie
 jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com



 On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin <
 ljar...@legacymechanical.com> wrote:

> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of 
> these
> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
> and sharp as a tack!
>
>
>
> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
> churches
>
>
>
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not
> all churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the 
> villages,
> as can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>
>
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many
> babies were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller 
> parish
> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
> look when I get home.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda"
> and the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda"
> system or was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a
> "matrix" church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
>
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao
> Church in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was
> astounding.  So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My 
> ancestor
> happened to be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage
> certificate and then was able to match the same number to her birth
> certificate.   Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of 
> the
> hundreds of people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I
> can't image what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Well, I just looked for it and didn't find it so I guess it never was
there! I could have sworn that it was on the site but I guess not.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:03 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Rosemarie, where? I can't find it. Where did you see it?
>
> I've emailed Eloise asking her permission to have the article posted on
> the Azores GenWeb (unless it's already there - as I said, I can't find it.)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here:
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but
>>> never found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
>>> access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
>>>
>>> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this
>>> site.   I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is
>>> below.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Debbie
>>> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin <
>>> ljar...@legacymechanical.com> wrote:
>>>
 Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
 subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
 She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
 may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
 interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
 and sharp as a tack!



 *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
 churches



 The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
 churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
 can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
 somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
 Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.



 John Miranda Raposo



 On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
 gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:





 I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many
 babies were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
 church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
 look when I get home.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada





 On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
 wrote:



 I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda"
 and the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda"
 system or was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a
 "matrix" church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?



 It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao
 Church in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was
 astounding.  So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor
 happened to be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage
 certificate and then was able to match the same number to her birth
 certificate.   Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the
 hundreds of people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I
 can't image what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so
 many were just giving up their children.



 Would love to hear your thoughts.



 Maria Sousa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Liz Migliori]

Thank you So much for this

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Last year, in Angra, we stayed across the street from a convent. They were 
> doing some remodeling, but the lobby area was open. The roda was there. 
> Here's a couple of pictures:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I see now that I needed something (or someone) standing next to it so you can 
> get a feel for how big it was. This one had a divider. It was big enough for 
> a baby. Not a baby in a modern car seat/carrier, but if the baby was placed 
> in a basket not much bigger than itself, it would fit.
> 
> You can see on the right side where people would push on it to spin it 
> around. It's worn there.
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:39 AM linda  wrote:
>> Thank you, Mara! These papers are much appreciated.
>> 
>> Linda
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Linda Jardin]

Hi,

I sent it to the group, Cheri is contacting Eloise for her permission to share.

Linda

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 10:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

Hi Linda,

I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access to 
them?   Will Eloise give us permission?

Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   I 
can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.

Thank you!

Debbie
jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
mailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com>> wrote:
Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

John Miranda Raposo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
mailto:lelaalvesso...@gmail.com>> wrote:



I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?

It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going on in the 1860 
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Maria Sousa
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[linda]

Thank you, Mara! These papers are much appreciated.

Linda

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

['Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy]

There is no article on the Azores GenWeb by Eloise on expostos. I would love to 
have it there, if Eloise will permit it.

Kathy
~~~
Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
~~~



> On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Rosemarie, where? I can't find it. Where did you see it? 
> 
> I've emailed Eloise asking her permission to have the article posted on the 
> Azores GenWeb (unless it's already there - as I said, I can't find it.)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here: 
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/  go 
> and check it out. 
>  
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
> mailto:jessdebmendo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Linda,
> 
> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
> found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access 
> to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
> 
> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   
> I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Debbie
> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin  > wrote:
> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject 
> as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has 
> written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still 
> be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I 
> also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a 
> tack!
> 
>  
> 
> From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy  > 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches
> 
>  
> 
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as 
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at 
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise 
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
> 
>  
> 
> John Miranda Raposo
> 
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
> mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
> given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
> information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
> home.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
> "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was 
> it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church 
> which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
> 
>  
> 
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
> Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So 
> much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a 
> number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and 
> then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a 
> deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who 
> were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going 
> on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their 
> children.  
> 
>  
> 
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
> 
>  
> 
> Maria Sousa
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Cheri Mello]

Linda found her copy. However, as soon as Eloise wrote the article, it is
copyrighted. So posting Eloise's work without her explicit permission is in
violation of copyright laws (ugh). And this is a public forum, where anyone
with a computer can see our posts. So I've emailed Eloise for her
permission. I don't think the article is on the Azores Genweb. Maybe it's
buried and Rosemarie can provide the link. Or maybe Kathy Cardoza,
webmaster knows where it is.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:09 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Rosemarie for the suggestion.  Eloise is a beautiful writer,
> giving readers the flavor of life on the islands.  Her writing about the
> orange groves of São Miguel was very in-depth.
>
> I went to Rosemaries link and searched with Cadinha.  I did not find
> anything about expostos, however, and will continue looking for her work.
> Linda or John, are you able to locate your copies?
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here:
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but
>>> never found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
>>> access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
>>>
>>> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this
>>> site.   I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is
>>> below.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Debbie
>>> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin <
>>> ljar...@legacymechanical.com> wrote:
>>>
 Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
 subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
 She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
 may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
 interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
 and sharp as a tack!



 *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
 churches



 The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
 churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
 can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
 somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
 Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.



 John Miranda Raposo



 On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
 gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:





 I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many
 babies were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
 church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
 look when I get home.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada





 On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
 wrote:



 I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda"
 and the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda"
 system or was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a
 "matrix" church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?



 It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao
 Church in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was
 astounding.  So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor
 happened to be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage
 certificate and then was able to match the same number to her birth
 certificate.   Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the
 hundreds of people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I
 can't image what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so
 many were just giving up their children.



 Would love to hear your thoughts.



 Maria Sousa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Thank you, Rosemarie for the suggestion.  Eloise is a beautiful writer,
giving readers the flavor of life on the islands.  Her writing about the
orange groves of São Miguel was very in-depth.

I went to Rosemaries link and searched with Cadinha.  I did not find
anything about expostos, however, and will continue looking for her work.
Linda or John, are you able to locate your copies?

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca



On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but
>> never found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
>> access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
>>
>> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this
>> site.   I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is
>> below.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Debbie
>> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
>>> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
>>> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
>>> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
>>> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
>>> and sharp as a tack!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
>>> churches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
>>> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
>>> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
>>> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
>>> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Miranda Raposo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
>>> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
>>> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
>>> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
>>> look when I get home.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda"
>>> and the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda"
>>> system or was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a
>>> "matrix" church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao
>>> Church in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was
>>> astounding.  So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor
>>> happened to be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage
>>> certificate and then was able to match the same number to her birth
>>> certificate.   Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the
>>> hundreds of people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I
>>> can't image what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so
>>> many were just giving up their children.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria Sousa
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Cheri Mello]

Rosemarie, where? I can't find it. Where did you see it?

I've emailed Eloise asking her permission to have the article posted on the
Azores GenWeb (unless it's already there - as I said, I can't find it.)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but
>> never found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
>> access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
>>
>> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this
>> site.   I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is
>> below.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Debbie
>> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
>>> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
>>> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
>>> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
>>> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
>>> and sharp as a tack!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
>>> churches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
>>> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
>>> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
>>> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
>>> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Miranda Raposo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
>>> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
>>> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
>>> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
>>> look when I get home.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda"
>>> and the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda"
>>> system or was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a
>>> "matrix" church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao
>>> Church in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was
>>> astounding.  So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor
>>> happened to be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage
>>> certificate and then was able to match the same number to her birth
>>> certificate.   Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the
>>> hundreds of people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I
>>> can't image what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so
>>> many were just giving up their children.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria Sousa
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Linda,
>
> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never
> found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
> access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
>
> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.
>   I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Debbie
> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
> wrote:
>
>> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
>> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
>> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
>> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
>> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
>> and sharp as a tack!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
>> churches
>>
>>
>>
>> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
>> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
>> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
>> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
>> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Miranda Raposo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
>> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
>> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
>> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
>> look when I get home.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
>> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
>> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
>> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>>
>>
>>
>> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
>> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
>> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
>> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
>> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
>> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
>> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
>> giving up their children.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maria Sousa
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Margaret Vicente]

There is study on the web that may be of interest as it contains rules and 
measures.
https://repositorio.uac.pt/bitstream/10400.3/905/1/Child%20abandonment%20and%20illegitimacy%20in%20the%20Island%20of%20S%C3%A3o%20Jorge%20%28Azores-Portugal%29..pdf

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9653/a7f652a5ea79cf177f4aeda8ec474c17a34e.pdf

Margaret

From: JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: October 3, 2019 1:10 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

Hi Linda,

I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access to 
them?   Will Eloise give us permission?

Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   I 
can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.  

Thank you!

Debbie
jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin  
wrote:
Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!
 
From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches
 
The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes. 
 
John Miranda Raposo
 
On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote: 
 
 
I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  wrote:
 


I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
 
It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going on in the 1860 
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.  
 
Would love to hear your thoughts.
 
Maria Sousa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi Linda,

I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?

Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.
  I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.

Thank you!

Debbie
jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
wrote:

> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
> and sharp as a tack!
>
>
>
> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
> churches
>
>
>
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>
>
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
> look when I get home.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
>
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
> giving up their children.
>
>
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Maria Sousa
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Maria Sousa]

Thank you all.  I would also like to read the articles.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 7:59 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gordon, that is so sad.  I’d love the info too.   Linda, I will try to
> find her articles and share them.
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:17 PM Gordon soares  wrote:
>
>> My maternal grandfather was placed on the road
>> on Sao Miguel 1868 Dec 8. I have been to the
>> roda. I would appreciate knowing what
>> information she has about the Roda
>> Gordon Soares
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Linda Jardin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
>> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
>> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
>> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
>> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
>> and sharp as a tack!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
>> churches
>>
>>
>>
>> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
>> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
>> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
>> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
>> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Miranda Raposo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
>> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
>> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
>> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
>> look when I get home.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
>> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
>> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
>> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>>
>>
>>
>> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
>> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
>> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
>> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
>> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
>> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
>> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
>> giving up their children.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maria Sousa
>>
>> --
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>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Gordon, that is so sad.  I’d love the info too.   Linda, I will try to find
her articles and share them.

 Thanks.



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:17 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> My maternal grandfather was placed on the road
> on Sao Miguel 1868 Dec 8. I have been to the
> roda. I would appreciate knowing what
> information she has about the Roda
> Gordon Soares
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Linda Jardin 
> wrote:
>
> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
> and sharp as a tack!
>
>
>
> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
> churches
>
>
>
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>
>
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
> look when I get home.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
>
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
> giving up their children.
>
>
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Maria Sousa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Gordon soares]

My maternal grandfather was placed on the road 
on Sao Miguel 1868 Dec 8. I have been to the
roda. I would appreciate knowing what 
information she has about the Roda
Gordon Soares

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Linda Jardin  wrote:
> 
> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject 
> as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has 
> written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still 
> be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I 
> also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a 
> tack!
>  
> From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy  
> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches
>  
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as 
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at 
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise 
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>  
> John Miranda Raposo
>  
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
> given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
> information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
> home.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
>  
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  wrote:
>  
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
> "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was 
> it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church 
> which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>  
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
> Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So 
> much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a 
> number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and 
> then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a 
> deadend for me, but so heartbreaking  to think of the hundreds of people who 
> were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going 
> on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their 
> children.  
>  
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>  
> Maria Sousa
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Linda Jardin]

Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

John Miranda Raposo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
mailto:lelaalvesso...@gmail.com>> wrote:



I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?

It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going on in the 1860 
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Maria Sousa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I also wondered about the amount of immigration and the expostas during
that time.  On the Portuguese Hawaiian Genealogy Facebook page  a recent
visitor to São Miguel heard this account: In approximately 1870 an envoy of
Californian orange growers visited São Miguel to learn about the successful
Azorian export business.  They brought a gift of California oranges that
unfortunately carried destructive white flies.  Entire orange groves were
decimated, making Azorian workers a prime target for Hawaiian sugar growers
to entice them to immigrateover the next 40 years.

When families couldn’t feed another child, the roda was an option that gave
the baby a chance at survival.  Nursing mothers got a monthly stipend to
take in the exposta for 7 years.  I wonder if it was common to turn in an
infant and get them back later.

Has anyone else heard of accounts like these?

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
jessdebmendonca at gmail.com

Areas of interest:
MENDONCA & AGUIAR from São Paulo, Brazil; Madeira

LUIS/LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTAL, PERREIRA from São Roque in Ponta Delgada on São
Miguel



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 2:12 PM 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
> look when I get home.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
> giving up their children.
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>
> Maria Sousa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

 The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes. 

John Miranda Raposo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  wrote:



| 
| 
 |

 |

I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going on in the 1860 
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.  
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Maria Sousa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Cheri Mello]

I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
look when I get home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
wrote:

>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
> giving up their children.
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>
> Maria Sousa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Gordon,
Which passporte records did you search? Only Sao Miguel or both Angra &
Horta? Who knows where he was when he decided to immigrate to America.
Check them all out.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 1:31 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> My parternal grandfather, Jesse (Jacentho) Ferreira was born Dec 7, 1878
> and was placed on the wheel in Sao Miguel, Ponta Del Gado in the convent
> there. I have his baptism records but I have been unable to learn anything
> more about him. Can’t find his immigration to America in 1901 or1902, No
> passport information or anything else that will help me flesh out a simple
> profile. My maternal grandmother, Mary Conceicao Sousa Ferreira supposedly
> came to America a year or two after Jesse and she came with my Uncle Manuel
> who was born 12 Oct 1903. All I know is that Jesse worked on the Ferry
> Boats between Oakland and San Francisco for about 30 years.I know what I
> need to know about his California life but getting there is s mystery. Any
> help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Gordon
>
>
> On May 4, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Since the topic of the expostos (foundlings or abandoned babies) left at
> the roda (wheel) of the church does not belong on the thread about the
> poor, I'm posting it here.
>
> George Medeiros, migueldeavery at gmail dot com said:
> I was told that many of those infants died and there was a high mortality
> rate. Is that the case ? Does anyone in the group know ? George Medeiros
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Gordon soares]

My parternal grandfather, Jesse (Jacentho) Ferreira was born Dec 7, 1878 and 
was placed on the wheel in Sao Miguel, Ponta Del Gado in the convent there. I 
have his baptism records but I have been unable to learn anything more about 
him. Can’t find his immigration to America in 1901 or1902, No passport 
information or anything else that will help me flesh out a simple profile. My 
maternal grandmother, Mary Conceicao Sousa Ferreira supposedly came to America 
a year or two after Jesse and she came with my Uncle Manuel who was born 12 Oct 
1903. All I know is that Jesse worked on the Ferry Boats between Oakland and 
San Francisco for about 30 years.I know what I need to know about his 
California life but getting there is s mystery. Any help would be appreciated.


Gordon


> On May 4, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Since the topic of the expostos (foundlings or abandoned babies) left at the 
> roda (wheel) of the church does not belong on the thread about the poor, I'm 
> posting it here.
> 
> George Medeiros, migueldeavery at gmail dot com said:
> I was told that many of those infants died and there was a high mortality 
> rate. Is that the case ? Does anyone in the group know ? George Medeiros 
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