On Wednesday 21 November 2007 23:35:46 Tim Dobson wrote:
This is not an argument about ethics,
Dave keeps turning it into one. I was trying to point out the self same thing
to him.
Please consider researching this.
What specifically do you think I don't understand, and on what basis have you
Rob,
This is an interesting - and very subtle - enhancedment to the BBC news
pages. Took me a while to spot what was being added, so well was it done.
I was wondering if you could modify it so that it could also add links to
Wikipedia articles by adding hypertext links within the text.
For
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
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On 21/11/2007,
On 22/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law.
I saw a bus shelter yesterday which had a it is illegal to smoke in this
bus shelter sign on it in Churchill
what do you mean by is technically an offence.
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On 22/11/2007,
I agree with what Michael says.
However I'm not sure the rights holders insist on DRM. They insist on
protection of their income which flows from copyright, which is not
the same thing. DRM is today's solution to provide that protection,
but it is broken, costly, complicated, annoys end users,
On 22 Nov 2007, at 10:52, Sean DALY wrote:
* How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive,
especially worldwide.
Need this necessarily be the case though? considering that broadcast
(and arts / media / entertainment sector in general) is one of the
most
* How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive,
especially worldwide.
i'm not so sure. Ofcom's (my current employer) view is that the
ability to copy and share in perpetuity is an adherent *advantage* if
your aim is to deliver public service media (BBC etc.) It may cost
By ditching DRM, sales increase and copyright holders make more money
anyway:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/macuser/news/140652/uk-retailers-called-for-ditching-
of-drm.html
independent labels are outselling restricted downloads by four-to-one.
Better to have a larger slice of the cake than to have a
Brian, I also missed the very subtle changes to the page- but I would
say, hyperlinking scientists and headaches etc every other word is
gonna give the reader sore eyes and thousands of hours of lost work as
they educate themselves in mass trivia.
And to Rob, respect for your project; from a user
On 22/11/2007, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian, I also missed the very subtle changes to the page- but I would
say, hyperlinking scientists and headaches etc every other word is
gonna give the reader sore eyes and thousands of hours of lost work as
they educate themselves in
So its not technically an offence then.
Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it isn't.
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Anyway back vaguely on topic:
How does one report faults experienced in the downloads?
If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking system (if
you have one) perhaps you could add:
When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists many episodes, the
enclosure links for these are
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law.
I saw a bus shelter yesterday which had a it is illegal to smoke in
this bus shelter sign on it in Churchill Square, Brighton yesterday.
However, the shelter's
James Ockenden wrote:
Brian, I also missed the very subtle changes to the page- but I would
say, hyperlinking scientists and headaches etc every other word is
gonna give the reader sore eyes and thousands of hours of lost work as
they educate themselves in mass trivia.
So, if we discount the
Which programmes are you getting a 404 for? Can you give some examples
please. In theory, once the file is removed from live then there
shouldn't be a link to them in the RSS feed.
Think because we only got rights from the PPL we have to stick to UK
only on those podcasts. It is a shame but
All
I just found this project on sourceforge to sort out running the iPlayer
under wine.
http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page
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Nick,
On 22/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So its not technically an offence then.
Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it isn't.
legal creep = pretending something is a legal requrement when it is not.
Like when you ring a company's call center
On 22/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James Ockenden wrote:
Brian, I also missed the very subtle changes to the page- but I would
say, hyperlinking scientists and headaches etc every other word is
gonna give the reader sore eyes and thousands of hours of lost work as
they
is there any legal creep in the BBC's DRM? are we pretending its a
legal requirement?
surely we are saying rights holders require it - a rather different
thing
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Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it isn't.
Nick, I think what was meant is when rules, or regulations, or
technical measures such as DRM go beyond what is legal.
For example, an FBI logo-style warning shown at the beginning of a
DVD, long enough to annoy me but not
Andy - why don't you ask these questions on the Radio Labs blog?
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Anyway back vaguely on
Stuart Ward wrote:
All
I just found this project on sourceforge to sort out running the iPlayer
under wine.
http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page
At which point they can replace the DRM library calls with stubs and ...
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Sean DALY wrote:
From a technical standpoint, how simple can it be to design a DRM
system compatible with the copyright law of the world's 20 biggest
markets?
You have got to be kidding - right?
Whole chunks of the judicial system has a hard enough time determining the
copyright law of ONE
Nick Reynolds-AMi wrote:
Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it isn't.
Indeed - under certain jurisdictions copying music is legal. 'Fair Use'. However
the music industry would have you believe that it is always illegal.
That would be legal creep - no, it doesn't change
On 22/11/2007, Carlos Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which programmes are you getting a 404 for? Can you give some examples
please. In theory, once the file is removed from live then there
shouldn't be a link to them in the RSS feed.
Think because we only got rights from the PPL we have to
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