On 19 Dec 2007, at 10:43, Brian Butterworth wrote:
6. Icons. Since Windows 3, the "down triangle" has been used to
mean "drop down menu". I know web designers HATE following UI
hints that users have known for decades, but it does make it easier
to use. If you could refer to:
http://msd
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On 20/12/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 20/12/2007, Drew [Andrew White] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Sorry to be a grump... yes it looks lovely, but come on guys - a BBC
> > clock telling you what time your own PC thinks it is really doesn't seem
> > that helpf
On 20/12/2007, Drew [Andrew White] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sorry to be a grump... yes it looks lovely, but come on guys - a BBC
> clock telling you what time your own PC thinks it is really doesn't seem
> that helpful! I associate that with javascript toys on amateur sites.
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It's called "
Sorry to be a grump... yes it looks lovely, but come on guys - a BBC clock
telling you what time your own PC thinks it is really doesn't seem that
helpful! I associate that with javascript toys on amateur sites.
For a start your O/S already shows a time display if you want it to.. and if
that t
In terms of fonts, I humbly point you to http://james.cridland.net/ -
Screenreader compatible. A unique font (really unique - guaranteed
you'll never see this on any other website). Doesn't go near Flash,
which I'm on record as saying is the work of the devil (with the
exception, harrumph, of the l
Noah Slater wrote:
I would disagree with this, a standard that is ignored is still a
standard, it's just an ignored one.
The word "standard" doesn't mean something that's commonly used it
means something that is on a standards track specification.
What does that make a "de-facto standard"?
S
On 12/19/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19/12/2007,
Matt Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > It's always the way isn't it when
designing websites that want a unique> feel, extra typefaces look great but
there's the tradeoff with accessibility> and compatibility.> > It's
Steve Jolly wrote:
Noah Slater wrote:
I would disagree with this, a standard that is ignored is still a
standard, it's just an ignored one.
The word "standard" doesn't mean something that's commonly used it
means something that is on a standards track specification.
What does that make a "de-
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 04:20:56PM +, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> Which is just another way of saying "standards are not standards if they are
> ignored".
I would disagree with this, a standard that is ignored is still a
standard, it's just an ignored one.
The word "standard" doesn't mean some
On 19/12/2007, Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 03:44:45PM +, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> > As he was drilling a batch of recruits, the sergeant saw that one of
> them
> > was marching out of step. Going to the man as they marched, he said
> > sarcastically:
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On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 03:44:45PM +, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> As he was drilling a batch of recruits, the sergeant saw that one of them
> was marching out of step. Going to the man as they marched, he said
> sarcastically:
I'm probably being dense, but I don't get it's meaning in context.
On 19/12/2007, Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:44:52PM +, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> > You're so right. It seems unbeleievable that in 2007 there is no
> standard
> > online for outline data, be it fonts or other forms of vector graphics.
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> There is, jus
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:44:52PM +, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> You're so right. It seems unbeleievable that in 2007 there is no standard
> online for outline data, be it fonts or other forms of vector graphics.
There is, just the vendors tend to ignore it:
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/
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On 19/12/2007, Matt Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It's always the way isn't it when designing websites that want a unique
> feel, extra typefaces look great but there's the tradeoff with accessibility
> and compatibility.
> It's good that there are options around to try to alleviate some of
It's always the way isn't it when designing websites that want a unique
feel, extra typefaces look great but there's the tradeoff with accessibility
and compatibility.
It's good that there are options around to try to alleviate some of these
problems, but as with any deviation from the 'standard',
On 19/12/2007, Christopher Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Never mind EOT, just emply a tasteful dollup of SiFR -
> http://www.mikeindustries.com/sifr for the uninitiated. Never mind all
> that proprietary EOT stuff, (and whilst I don't actually loathe IE, I just
> think it's a waste of a fea
Never mind EOT, just emply a tasteful dollup of SiFR -
http://www.mikeindustries.com/sifr for the uninitiated. Never mind all that
proprietary EOT stuff, (and whilst I don't actually loathe IE, I just think
it's a waste of a feature.) Bonus: cross-browser branded headers in whatever
font the BBC's
More feedback for you.
Vista Pro, IE7, 16 million colours, second monitor (1024x768). I set the
font size to -2 and this is what I get:
http://bnb.bpweb.net/misc/bbc_hp.png
Specific problems:
1. "Customise homepage" has gone onto two lines, not correctly aligned
2. All the colours have banded
On 12/19/2007 12:50 AM, Noah Slater wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 09:16:30PM +, Stephen Miller wrote:
>> The character set on the page appears not to support £ signs, this story
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7149616.stm appears
>> with the ? black diamond replaceme
On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 09:16:30PM +, Stephen Miller wrote:
> The character set on the page appears not to support £ signs, this story
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7149616.stm appears
> with the ? black diamond replacement character in firefox.
It works for me, thoug
Another quick bug report.
The character set on the page appears not to support £ signs, this story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7149616.stm appears
with the ? black diamond replacement character in firefox.
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 08:40:18PM +, Jeremy James wrote:
> I'm a bit disappointed by the clock
I'm sorry if I missed the answer to the following question previously
in the thread, but what is the justification for the clock? It could
hardly be argued for utility purpose as most people, I assu
Christopher Woods wrote:
> I'm glad to see that the clock has finally made a comeback
> (...)
I'm a bit disappointed by the clock - or more generally, any web clock
that simply uses the local clock time when it should really be getting a
sync from the server (at the best it duplicates information
er but very
> > > beautiful.
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> > > Cheers,
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> > > Ian Forrester
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uk/worldservice/. Maybe not as clever but very
> > beautiful.
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> > Cheers,
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To show my gratitude for this new beta page, I found some bugs:
In my rush to lose 'Sport' from the page, I clicked on the triangle
expose button at the left of the title bar, but found that it left the
heading there (don't kno
To show my gratitude for this new beta page, I found some bugs:
In my rush to lose 'Sport' from the page, I clicked on the triangle
expose button at the left of the title bar, but found that it left
the heading there (don't know why I thought it would eliminate it,
must be my lack of experience a
childhood memories of waiting for Dr Who on a Saturday night
(and schools programmes!)
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I second the clock, looks great. Nice redesign for a new era of the web. Great
the way that video and rich media has presecence now as it will be used more
and more in coming months I should think.
Few tweaks here and there
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> I also like the initial effect, however...
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> why is 50% of the space uneditable?
> seems
I second the clock, looks great. Nice redesign for a new era of the web.
Great the way that video and rich media has presecence now as it will be
used more and more in coming months I should think.
Few tweaks here and there, as mentioned the accessibility issues with
tabbing through content, and it
I also like the initial effect, however...
why is 50% of the space uneditable?
seems contrary to sense,
can't find any excuse for the obligatory large picture with 4
choices, please remove, optionally of course ~:"
the directory could also be editable, with a minimise and reset if
desirable.
Wow, what a great job! First impressions are fantastic - clean, easy on the
eye, very nice purple colour scheme and I very much like the rollover
effects (the customisation aspect is nice, too).
I'm glad to see that the clock has finally made a comeback - I remember a
discussion about that a whil
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