Re: RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-06 Thread Dave Crossland
I get a strange sense of the BBC pushing DRM down the throats of the public, AGAIN, so, yes. On 3 Oct 2009, 10:27 AM, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: i do get this strange sense of deja vu -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:

Re: RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty 2009/10/6 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com I get a strange sense of the BBC pushing DRM down the throats of the public, AGAIN, so, yes. On 3 Oct 2009, 10:27 AM, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: i do get this strange sense of deja vu

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-05 Thread Brian Butterworth
2009/9/30 Kieran Kunhya kie...@kunhya.com Generate a mountain of e-waste, because manufacturers won't be able to produce set-top boxes that downsample the HD signal and feed it through a digital output to existing SD tuners and recorders. No idea what he's talking about here. If an STB

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-04 Thread Christopher Woods
I do wonder what the point of all this is. I know sometimes circumstances complicate matters, but from the POV of a viewer the Beeb shouldn't be beholden to the rightsholders. I certainly don't want to see a repeat of the same kind of infighting witnessed in the States over the Broadcast Flag. Any

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-03 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
i do get this strange sense of deja vu From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stone Sent: 02 October 2009 20:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-03 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 19:53, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.ukwrote: How would the cause of audiences be served if the BBC refused to deal with content vendors and as a result audiences could not access that content? As usual it's a difficult balancing act. But the content

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-03 Thread Rob Myers
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 19:53, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.ukwrote: How would the cause of audiences be served if the BBC refused to deal with content vendors and as a result audiences could not access that content? History shows that this won't happen. And this time the BBC is

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-03 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
Rob - you forget that the BBC is also a content vendor. Also content vendors do want their content to be shown to licence fee payers. They just want some compensation in return. And it's an exaggeration to say that the content venedors are getting everything they want. -Original Message-

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-03 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
Well I'm not party to the negotiations so I've no idea how strong or how weak the BBC's bargaining position is. But don't forget that the BBC is a content vendor too. From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-03 Thread David Tomlinson
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: Well I'm not party to the negotiations so I've no idea how strong or how weak the BBC's bargaining position is. But don't forget that the BBC is a content vendor too. I see my past has caught up with me ! (the references to the past, deja vu, my reputation has been

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-02 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
People on this list may be interested in this latest blog post: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 02

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-02 Thread Rob Myers
On 02/10/09 19:17, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html However our focus is not to champion causes - it's meeting our public service remit which means serving our many audiences as best, as fairly, and as openly as we can.

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-02 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
How would the cause of audiences be served if the BBC refused to deal with content vendors and as a result audiences could not access that content? As usual it's a difficult balancing act. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk]

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-02 Thread Rob Myers
On 02/10/09 19:17, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: People on this list may be interested in this latest blog post: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html The first commenter is far more worth reading than the original post -

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-02 Thread David Tomlinson
Rob Myers wrote: On 02/10/09 19:17, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: People on this list may be interested in this latest blog post: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html The first commenter is far more worth reading than the original post -

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-02 Thread Jeremy Stone
Oh its just like the old days :) Jem Stone Communities Executive | BBC Audio and Music O7966 551242 | twitter: @jemstone | jem.stone [at] bbc.co.uk. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-01 Thread Simon Thompson
Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:07, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk mailto:nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: that's why there's a public consultation Where? There doesn't seem to be anything related on ofcom's site

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-01 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/30 Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk Cory's piece is inaccurate in many respects - see this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.htmlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti%0Aon_up.html I wasn't

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-01 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Ofcom's letter to DTT industry stakeholders inviting comments To me, that's not the quite the same thing as a public debate on the issue. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 09:27, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-01 Thread Glyn Wintle
--- On Thu, 1/10/09, Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com wrote: From: Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com Subject: Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2009, 11:39 AM 2009/9/30 Nick

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-10-01 Thread David Tomlinson
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protection_up.html We've said before that we are specifically avoiding encryption of the broadcast signal to ensure that the public service content remains free to air. Content protection gives content producers comfort to give

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-09-30 Thread Kieran Kunhya
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/29/bbc-hd-encryption Ok I know we talked about it before but here he (cory) is again, but this time in the Guardian. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-09-30 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
Cory's piece is inaccurate in many respects - see this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Kieran Kunhya Sent: 30 September 2009

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-09-30 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:21, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.ukwrote: Cory's piece is inaccurate in many respects - see this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti

RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-09-30 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
that's why there's a public consultation see also this from April http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/04/welcome_to_some_new_initi als_d.html From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-09-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 30/09/09 17:37, Kieran Kunhya wrote: If anything the open source community will be the first to find a workaround. It will be both impractical and illegal to do so. From the article - DTLA requires that all devices be made to resist end-user modification. That is, DTLA devices can't use

Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door

2009-09-30 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:07, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.ukwrote: that's why there's a public consultation Where? There doesn't seem to be anything related on ofcom's site http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/?open=Yessector=Broadcasting%20-%20TV You'd think they'd be the