RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure - moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and not once could I actually watch the multicast content - due to the University's unwillingness to update their own internal network to be multicast-enabled. I got multicast working ONCE, on a neighbour's ISP - but he was paying a LOT for his access, and as a business customer of their he actually worked with the isp to get multicast enabled. My parents are on Zen, and even though that's one of the apparently-supported multicast ISPs for the trial: no luck. I'm on Plus.net at home and whilst they were supposed to be one of the ISPs who was taking part in the trial, it never seemed to be working at Plus.net's end when I looked. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
Has there EVER been a multicast system that's worked well? I tried it on a large BT network some years ago and when it worked it was a network management nightmare. Thankfully it worked badly or not-at-all Brian Butterworth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 10 April 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure - moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and not once could I actually watch the multicast content - due to the University's unwillingness to update their own internal network to be multicast-enabled. I got multicast working ONCE, on a neighbour's ISP - but he was paying a LOT for his access, and as a business customer of their he actually worked with the isp to get multicast enabled. My parents are on Zen, and even though that's one of the apparently-supported multicast ISPs for the trial: no luck. I'm on Plus.net at home and whilst they were supposed to be one of the ISPs who was taking part in the trial, it never seemed to be working at Plus.net's end when I looked. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
I used the multicast streams when Easynet were on an old trial. Worked a treat. Also, I believe the multicast streams were opened up to all ISPs for a few days when the BBC was experiencing high traffic after the 7/7 London bombings, which was useful. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 10 April 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure - moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and not once could I actually watch the multicast content - due to the University's unwillingness to update their own internal network to be multicast-enabled. I got multicast working ONCE, on a neighbour's ISP - but he was paying a LOT for his access, and as a business customer of their he actually worked with the isp to get multicast enabled. My parents are on Zen, and even though that's one of the apparently-supported multicast ISPs for the trial: no luck. I'm on Plus.net at home and whilst they were supposed to be one of the ISPs who was taking part in the trial, it never seemed to be working at Plus.net's end when I looked. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV
Hi Brian, Thanks as ever for your comments and questions - but I wonder if the BBC's developer community mailing list is the place for this question? You may have better luck, with a more informed response, by putting the question to the relevant arm of the BBC - for the moment I'm not sure who that is, but contact me off-list and I'll try to get you connected to the right person. Kindest regards Matthew On 9/4/07 23:47, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I trust everyone had a great Easter... I have a quick question that's been troubling me for a while. Will the planned BBC Freesat service use OpenTV and the Sky EPG, or will there be an open EPG and some other form of interactive service? If it's not OpenTV, will this mean that all the interactive service's content will need to be rebroadcast? I would also love to know when the service starts and if ITV are still involved (or has Sky owning them made them drop out?) Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] xmltv.radiotimes.com
I've let the head of New Media at BBC Worldwide Magazines know about this, by the way. Kim However, as people probably realise the data isn't being updated anymore. Does anyone have a clue? Just had a boilerplate response from them - seems unlikely my email reached a human, let alone one who knows what xmltv means. I wonder how I make my xmltv grabber clear its 'RT cache/profile'? Come to think of it, I wonder if Joe Webuser who complained to RT would make head or tail of that directive? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] xmltv.radiotimes.com
The feeds appear to be back up and being updated, so thanks to all who may have helped! Cheers, Rich. On 4/10/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've let the head of New Media at BBC Worldwide Magazines know about this, by the way. Kim However, as people probably realise the data isn't being updated anymore. Does anyone have a clue? Just had a boilerplate response from them - seems unlikely my email reached a human, let alone one who knows what xmltv means. I wonder how I make my xmltv grabber clear its 'RT cache/profile'? Come to think of it, I wonder if Joe Webuser who complained to RT would make head or tail of that directive? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
Multicast with Zen.co.uk worked sporadically. When it worked, it worked well. When it didn't, it didn't show anything other than a blank video screen. Just curious and apologies for being off topic, but have noticed, post Vista launch, that quite a lot of people seem to be switching from Windows to Max OSX and Linux. Just wondered if this is true here in this tech forum. Wondered what most people are running and if they see themselves moving OS in the future. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:13 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial I used the multicast streams when Easynet were on an old trial. Worked a treat. Also, I believe the multicast streams were opened up to all ISPs for a few days when the BBC was experiencing high traffic after the 7/7 London bombings, which was useful. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 10 April 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure - moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and not once could I actually watch the multicast content - due to the University's unwillingness to update their own internal network to be multicast-enabled. I got multicast working ONCE, on a neighbour's ISP - but he was paying a LOT for his access, and as a business customer of their he actually worked with the isp to get multicast enabled. My parents are on Zen, and even though that's one of the apparently-supported multicast ISPs for the trial: no luck. I'm on Plus.net at home and whilst they were supposed to be one of the ISPs who was taking part in the trial, it never seemed to be working at Plus.net's end when I looked. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] OS choice (was: Multicast Trial)
I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. I've met 3 people that have bought Macbooks recently, and know of a few others that have a Apple computer purchase planned. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but it seems to be reflected in the numbers... http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/03/20/strong-mac-sales-ex pected-this-quarter J [1] http://www.jasoncartwright.com/blog/entry/2007/2/so_i_bought_a_macbook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial Multicast with Zen.co.uk worked sporadically. When it worked, it worked well. When it didn't, it didn't show anything other than a blank video screen. Just curious and apologies for being off topic, but have noticed, post Vista launch, that quite a lot of people seem to be switching from Windows to Max OSX and Linux. Just wondered if this is true here in this tech forum. Wondered what most people are running and if they see themselves moving OS in the future. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:13 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial I used the multicast streams when Easynet were on an old trial. Worked a treat. Also, I believe the multicast streams were opened up to all ISPs for a few days when the BBC was experiencing high traffic after the 7/7 London bombings, which was useful. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 10 April 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure - moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and not once could I actually watch the multicast content - due to the University's unwillingness to update their own internal network to be multicast-enabled. I got multicast working ONCE, on a neighbour's ISP - but he was paying a LOT for his access, and as a business customer of their he actually worked with the isp to get multicast enabled. My parents are on Zen, and even though that's one of the apparently-supported multicast ISPs for the trial: no luck. I'm on Plus.net at home and whilst they were supposed to be one of the ISPs who was taking part in the trial, it never seemed to be working at Plus.net's end when I looked. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OS choice
Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] OS choice (was: Multicast Trial)
I could add quite a few to that anecdotal tally: people who have switched to Macs (Mac Book Pros, especially) and people who say they will switch once Leopard is released. Know a lot of people who last year were planning on switching to Vista - some did and have already gone back to XP or changed to a Mac. One has gone to Linux. Only know one person who has moved to and stuck with Vista. We're in the market for 2 new workstations and 3 laptops and were planning on Vista until all the rumpus broke at Vista's launch. Now undecided, but most likely to go Mac when Leopard is out of its cage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:37 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] OS choice (was: Multicast Trial) I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. I've met 3 people that have bought Macbooks recently, and know of a few others that have a Apple computer purchase planned. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but it seems to be reflected in the numbers... http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/03/20/strong-mac-sales-ex pected-this-quarter J [1] http://www.jasoncartwright.com/blog/entry/2007/2/so_i_bought_a_macbook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial Multicast with Zen.co.uk worked sporadically. When it worked, it worked well. When it didn't, it didn't show anything other than a blank video screen. Just curious and apologies for being off topic, but have noticed, post Vista launch, that quite a lot of people seem to be switching from Windows to Max OSX and Linux. Just wondered if this is true here in this tech forum. Wondered what most people are running and if they see themselves moving OS in the future. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:13 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial I used the multicast streams when Easynet were on an old trial. Worked a treat. Also, I believe the multicast streams were opened up to all ISPs for a few days when the BBC was experiencing high traffic after the 7/7 London bombings, which was useful. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 10 April 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure - moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and not once could I actually watch the multicast content - due to the University's unwillingness to update their own internal network to be multicast-enabled. I got multicast working ONCE, on a neighbour's ISP - but he was paying a LOT for his access, and as a business customer of their he actually worked with the isp to get multicast enabled. My parents are on Zen, and even though that's one of the apparently-supported multicast ISPs for the trial: no luck. I'm on Plus.net at home and whilst they were supposed to be one of the ISPs who was taking part in the trial, it never seemed to be working at Plus.net's end when I looked. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OS choice (was: Multicast Trial)
I used Solaris on a workstation for many years until OS X was released on the mac. I have two generations of laptops with OS X (one personal, one work) and when I change jobs in a couple of months I will get a new Macbook Pro. For me it is perfect as all of my work is done on farms running *nix machines and X11 makes that easy (it is possible with cygwin on Windoze but everyone I know who does that has problems with authentication a lot of times). And when it comes to play (Adobe, iMovie, iDVD, iTunes ...), OS X has all that for me as well. As for people who have switched, I know many and some are very surprising who said that Apple's were just marketing tools and they would never switch - yet they still have. Cheers, Matt Thank you to those who donated to my rowing challenge. We managed to raise over £3000 ($6000) for Teesside Hospice. England expects that every man will do his duty - Admiral Horatio Lord Nelson, 21st October 1805 Matthew A. C. Lamont [EMAIL PROTECTED] WNSL - West, Room 309phone: (203) 432 5834 Physics Department, Yale University fax: (203) 432 8926 P.O. Box 208124 272 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06520-8124, USA - On 10 Apr 2007, at 08:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could add quite a few to that anecdotal tally: people who have switched to Macs (Mac Book Pros, especially) and people who say they will switch once Leopard is released. Know a lot of people who last year were planning on switching to Vista - some did and have already gone back to XP or changed to a Mac. One has gone to Linux. Only know one person who has moved to and stuck with Vista. We're in the market for 2 new workstations and 3 laptops and were planning on Vista until all the rumpus broke at Vista's launch. Now undecided, but most likely to go Mac when Leopard is out of its cage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:37 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] OS choice (was: Multicast Trial) I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. I've met 3 people that have bought Macbooks recently, and know of a few others that have a Apple computer purchase planned. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but it seems to be reflected in the numbers... http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/03/20/strong-mac- sales-ex pected-this-quarter J [1] http://www.jasoncartwright.com/blog/entry/2007/2/so_i_bought_a_macbook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial Multicast with Zen.co.uk worked sporadically. When it worked, it worked well. When it didn't, it didn't show anything other than a blank video screen. Just curious and apologies for being off topic, but have noticed, post Vista launch, that quite a lot of people seem to be switching from Windows to Max OSX and Linux. Just wondered if this is true here in this tech forum. Wondered what most people are running and if they see themselves moving OS in the future. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:13 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial I used the multicast streams when Easynet were on an old trial. Worked a treat. Also, I believe the multicast streams were opened up to all ISPs for a few days when the BBC was experiencing high traffic after the 7/7 London bombings, which was useful. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 10 April 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure - moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and not once could I actually watch the multicast content - due to the University's unwillingness to update their own internal network to be multicast-enabled. I got multicast working ONCE, on a neighbour's ISP - but he was paying a LOT for his access, and as a business customer of their he actually worked with the isp to get multicast enabled. My parents are on Zen, and even though that's
RE: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV
Oh right I thought that as there were quite a few BBC development people on here, someone might know... It is a system being developed by the BBC... I've tried lots of other approaches and I've had a stonewall for the last 18 months... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 10 April 2007 11:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV Hi Brian, Thanks as ever for your comments and questions - but I wonder if the BBC's developer community mailing list is the place for this question? You may have better luck, with a more informed response, by putting the question to the relevant arm of the BBC - for the moment I'm not sure who that is, but contact me off-list and I'll try to get you connected to the right person. Kindest regards Matthew On 9/4/07 23:47, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I trust everyone had a great Easter... I have a quick question that's been troubling me for a while. Will the planned BBC Freesat service use OpenTV and the Sky EPG, or will there be an open EPG and some other form of interactive service? If it's not OpenTV, will this mean that all the interactive service's content will need to be rebroadcast? I would also love to know when the service starts and if ITV are still involved (or has Sky owning them made them drop out?) Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] xmltv.radiotimes.com
Kim Plowright wrote: I've let the head of New Media at BBC Worldwide Magazines know about this, by the way. Kim Thanks Kim, much appreciated :) For information I sent an email off to Nick on another list (about Myth TV - an opensource PVR) saying: It would be interesting to know if you and your contact are responsible for this? It would be nice to have a reliable contact for when this kind of situation occurs again. Clearly the RT person may not want hordes of screaming Myth users complaining everytime there's a problem with their ISP so maybe we could set up an XMLTV_RT community contact list - maybe in conjunction with the xmltv guys. The RT person could subscribe or, more likely, problems are reported to the list and 2 or 3 of the list admins have the RT contact details. If the problem is real then the list admins could approach RT to notify them if the problem doesn't get resolved in, say, 2-3 days. This list could be put in our wiki, the XMLTV source/docs and RT could even put them in http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/ Also Peter Bowyer wrote: Seconded. It would be interesting to get a comment on what went wrong, though - and an indication if there's a better way of reporting problems specific to the xmltv feed - I got the feeling that the generic address probably doesn't reach the right people. Of course I could be wrong, maybe my mail there was the only one they got and they immediately jumped up and mended things. No, I too wrote a polite email and got a boilerplate. See the message above too. David - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV
Hi Brian - let's take this off-list now please. m On 10/4/07 13:55, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh right I thought that as there were quite a few BBC development people on here, someone might know... It is a system being developed by the BBC... I've tried lots of other approaches and I've had a stonewall for the last 18 months... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 10 April 2007 11:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Freesat and OpenTV Hi Brian, Thanks as ever for your comments and questions - but I wonder if the BBC's developer community mailing list is the place for this question? You may have better luck, with a more informed response, by putting the question to the relevant arm of the BBC - for the moment I'm not sure who that is, but contact me off-list and I'll try to get you connected to the right person. Kindest regards Matthew On 9/4/07 23:47, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I trust everyone had a great Easter... I have a quick question that's been troubling me for a while. Will the planned BBC Freesat service use OpenTV and the Sky EPG, or will there be an open EPG and some other form of interactive service? If it's not OpenTV, will this mean that all the interactive service's content will need to be rebroadcast? I would also love to know when the service starts and if ITV are still involved (or has Sky owning them made them drop out?) Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
But Brian - you've assumed in turn that the user community represented by those two figures 6 months apart is the same people. Only then are these hard evidence. What adjustment would need to be made to take account of a change in virginradio's demographic, nature of any promotions running, change in online ad targetting etc? Maybe they ran a campaign aimed at mac users, or on a site whose user figures are heavily skewed towards mac users.. or... or Nothing's as easy as we'd like it to be :-) Peter On 10/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
I realised the error after sending the message ;-( Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further indication that the OS ground does appear to be shifting. Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats for other companies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
Hi All, i posted this a week or so to the backstage site but it hasn't been posted so I thought i'd send it here. In the absence of any GeoRss support to the backstage travel data feeds I've produced my own from the tpeg files. see http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/about_geoRss.html, includes details on adding them to google maps. all data available from http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/travel_data/ any comments freely accepted. Thanks, Michael -- -- Michael Pritchard Web :: http://www.blueghost.co.uk GMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
You're waiting too eh? :-) Davy -- Davy Mitchell Blog - http://www.latedecember.co.uk/sites/personal/davy/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/daftspaniel Skype - daftspaniel needgod.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
What you say is correct, I was merely illustrating that real data is far more important than I've done this so I'm assuming that everyone else is... Brian Butterworth (the only person on Earth that likes Windows Vista) www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer Sent: 10 April 2007 14:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me But Brian - you've assumed in turn that the user community represented by those two figures 6 months apart is the same people. Only then are these hard evidence. What adjustment would need to be made to take account of a change in virginradio's demographic, nature of any promotions running, change in online ad targetting etc? Maybe they ran a campaign aimed at mac users, or on a site whose user figures are heavily skewed towards mac users.. or... or Nothing's as easy as we'd like it to be :-) Peter On 10/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase from something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me I realised the error after sending the message ;-( Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further indication that the OS ground does appear to be shifting. Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats for other companies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
RE: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
Michael, This is excellent! The only minor point is the too much data you get from Google when you start the 'all areas' link. Any chance you could split Sussex into it's two parts? It's been that way since 1189... I might have to use your code to plot all the TV transmitters with engineering info now... Brian Butterworth HYPERLINK http://www.ukfree.tv/www.ukfree.tv _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Pritchard Sent: 10 April 2007 16:07 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data Hi All, i posted this a week or so to the backstage site but it hasn't been posted so I thought i'd send it here. In the absence of any GeoRss support to the backstage travel data feeds I've produced my own from the tpeg files. see HYPERLINK http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/about_geoRss.htmlhttp://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/abo ut_geoRss.html, includes details on adding them to google maps. all data available from HYPERLINK http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/travel_data/http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/travel_d ata/ any comments freely accepted. Thanks, Michael -- -- Michael Pritchard Web :: HYPERLINK http://www.blueghost.co.ukhttp://www.blueghost.co.uk GMail:: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59
RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
Pfft. I'm rather dismissive of numbers and comparisons such as these, particularly when over 74.3% of all statistics are made up anyway. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 16:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase from something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me I realised the error after sending the message ;-( Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further indication that the OS ground does appear to be shifting. Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats for other companies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing
RE: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
Michael - this is fantastic - I love the way this works. We're having a few problems with the current backstage site as most of you know - it's kinda held together with spit, hope and sticky back plastic (the old stuff Blue Peter don't want). But we're well on the way to having our new sparkly new site live and ready to go - just hold on for a couple of weeks and we're away! m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Pritchard Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 16:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data Hi All, i posted this a week or so to the backstage site but it hasn't been posted so I thought i'd send it here. In the absence of any GeoRss support to the backstage travel data feeds I've produced my own from the tpeg files. see http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/about_geoRss.html, includes details on adding them to google maps. all data available from http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/travel_data/ any comments freely accepted. Thanks, Michael -- -- Michael Pritchard Web :: http://www.blueghost.co.uk GMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
I didn't realise it was so easy to do this with Google maps... I kind of switched to maps.live.com because there are maps of Brighton on them. Anyway, I've done another version for the BBC transmitter engineering information. Not quite as useful as traffic information, but here it is: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=http://ukfree.tv/engasrss.php Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 10 April 2007 17:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data Michael - this is fantastic - I love the way this works. We're having a few problems with the current backstage site as most of you know - it's kinda held together with spit, hope and sticky back plastic (the old stuff Blue Peter don't want). But we're well on the way to having our new sparkly new site live and ready to go - just hold on for a couple of weeks and we're away! m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Pritchard Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 16:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data Hi All, i posted this a week or so to the backstage site but it hasn't been posted so I thought i'd send it here. In the absence of any GeoRss support to the backstage travel data feeds I've produced my own from the tpeg files. see http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/about_geoRss.html, includes details on adding them to google maps. all data available from http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/travel_data/ any comments freely accepted. Thanks, Michael -- -- Michael Pritchard Web :: http://www.blueghost.co.uk GMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
thanks for all the comments, i'll do my best to work on these comments when i get some free time On 10/04/07, mapperz . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Excellent work, have tracked your blueghost projects and like the mapping integration with the new services from Google Maps KML/KMZ and GeoRSS support in the API. As for suggestions, different colored icons/lines for severity of the incident? Time Stamp on the Icon (on click) Lines not yet click-able (a feature request on the api) but maybe soon. (try v2.78 of the google map api) But the like the breakdown from UKCountyLocalising of the rss feed, excellent. mapperz http://mapperz.blogspot.com/ On 4/10/07, Michael Pritchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, i posted this a week or so to the backstage site but it hasn't been posted so I thought i'd send it here. In the absence of any GeoRss support to the backstage travel data feeds I've produced my own from the tpeg files. see http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/about_geoRss.html, includes details on adding them to google maps. all data available from http://bbc.blueghost.co.uk/travel_data/ any comments freely accepted. Thanks, Michael -- -- Michael Pritchard Web :: http://www.blueghost.co.uk GMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- mapperz http://mapperz.blogspot.com/ -- -- Michael Pritchard Web :: http://www.blueghost.co.uk GMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
At 09:51 +0100 10/4/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: Has there EVER been a multicast system that's worked well? I tried it on a large BT network some years ago and when it worked it was a network management nightmare. Thankfully it worked badly or not-at-all Brian Butterworth Janet and other research networks have had multicast networks for at least a decade. Gordon -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
... That are totally reliant on the willingness of each individual higher education institution to implement multicast on their own internal networks to enable the functionality of the wider ja.net network as a whole. I think the whole situation boils down to the simple fact that it's just not cost-effective enough for most service providers to actually implement multicast, so they don't bother. Which is really annoying, because it's really holding back the takeup of IPTV imho. That, and the unfortunate situation most ISPs have whereby they're burdened with BT's prohibitive pricing structure, to boot. The mobile phone trial isn't multicast, is it? -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 22:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Brian Butterworth Subject: RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial At 09:51 +0100 10/4/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: Has there EVER been a multicast system that's worked well? I tried it on a large BT network some years ago and when it worked it was a network management nightmare. Thankfully it worked badly or not-at-all Brian Butterworth Janet and other research networks have had multicast networks for at least a decade. Gordon -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
