Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
Liam S Docherty wrote: the current format of news articles do not parse well at all, not to mention are rather difficult to extract from the surrounding mark-up code. The simplified version suffers from the same problem, so I was wondering are there any nice html versions or even plain text versions of the news articles? Or does anyone know of a way around this problem? Have you looked at the low graphics version? eg http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/6918490.stm S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
Simon Cobb wrote: p2p though? I thought it was straight downloads. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks. It's p2p - based on Kontiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontiki S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it’ll be available? This press release [1] says it’ll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] iPlayer Today?
Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27th: - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer Cheers, Phil. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/06_june/27/i player.shtml This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses, though it is not guaranteed virus free. Original Recipient: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Original Sender : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Send Date: 27/07/2007 - 08:55:03
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 27 Jul 2007, at 08:55, Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it’ll be available? This press release [1] says it’ll be available from here on the 27th: - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer Hi Phil No idea what the official line is, but the registration form has been up since last night. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it’ll be available? This press release [1] says it’ll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
Liam, I'm having a similar issue in that I wish to parse to SVG, and this could be easier... in fact in large part it's a problem with the specifications... cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:48, Liam S Docherty wrote: The low graphics version sufffer from the same problem, in that the html is not considered well formed by the standard Java parsers. I suppose I could try tidy up the html before parsing =) Thanks Liam Have you looked at the low graphics version? eg http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/6918490.stm S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- The University of Stirling is a university established in Scotland by charter at Stirling, FK9 4LA. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not disclose, copy or deliver this message to anyone and any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
The low graphics version sufffer from the same problem, in that the html is not considered well formed by the standard Java parsers. I suppose I could try tidy up the html before parsing =) Thanks Liam Have you looked at the low graphics version? eg http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/6918490.stm S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- The University of Stirling is a university established in Scotland by charter at Stirling, FK9 4LA. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not disclose, copy or deliver this message to anyone and any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
At 12:13 +0100 27/7/07, Martin Belam wrote: As I understand it, it is that the Kontiki client underpinning the iPlayer-library-component-thing doesn't support Vista yet all the best, martin The beta testing (sic) is being carried out on a old version Microsoft's operating system? Is that correct? If is a *beta*, then it should work all target systems now. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
or 'book' to download for watching later? Rather oddly the BBC Executive didn't explicitally include the functionality to bookmark future broadcasts in their submission to the BBC Trust during the Public Value Test. Consequently, the Trust decided to specifically rule out the iPlayer having that functionality available to the user - which seemed to fundamentally miss the point of the main interaction models for watching TV IMHO, as the BBC Trust doesn't outlaw anyone setting their video, PVR, or highlighting something in a listings magazine. http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2007/02/the_bbc_iplayers_odd_bookmarki_2.php all the best, martin On 27/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will it be wholly P2P? Or will it operate on a similar principle to 4OD, where you can stream now and watch on demand, or 'book' to download for watching later? - c From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 27 July 2007 09:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com http://mashable.com/2007/07/26/bbc-iplayer-2/ p2p though? I thought it was straight downloads. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks. ___ Simon Cobb Technical Project Manager, BBC Vision (FL) BBC Future Media Technology 2507, White City, London W12 7TS T: 020 875 27968 -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
How are the accounts being allocated? I signed up this morning, and like Owen I'm wondering when I'll hear. Looking forward to seeing what it looks like in XP on my Intel Mac... shorttermmemoryloss.com Owen Griffin wrote: On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Has anyone tried using the iPlayer on Linux using wine? I could wait for the Linux version but I'm quite impatient. :) Also, does anyone have any idea how long you have to wait before you receive an account?
Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all
Hi Dave, Sun opened Java a while ago: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/ it's free now. Vijay. On 27/07/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Another glimpse at the future of television: http://www.rulecam.net/ted/ (Free software under MIT/X11 style licensing, although its depends on proprietary Java :-( -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Has anyone tried using the iPlayer on Linux using wine? I could wait for the Linux version but I'm quite impatient. :) Also, does anyone have any idea how long you have to wait before you receive an account? -- Owen Griffin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
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Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
It does work on all initial target systems. XP. Vista, Linux Mac to come later. The key word in Martin's post was yet. R. On 7/27/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:13 +0100 27/7/07, Martin Belam wrote: As I understand it, it is that the Kontiki client underpinning the iPlayer-library-component-thing doesn't support Vista yet all the best, martin The beta testing (sic) is being carried out on a old version Microsoft's operating system? Is that correct? If is a *beta*, then it should work all target systems now. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Making the underground accessible to all
Hi, Another glimpse at the future of television: http://www.rulecam.net/ted/ (Free software under MIT/X11 style licensing, although its depends on proprietary Java :-( -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing
Hi Terry, Please contact me off the list and we'll have a chat. As I mentioned, I only have access to a few extra years of data. Andrew BBC Research and Innovation On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 12:22:50AM +0800, Flynn, Terry wrote: Andrew, If you have data going back prior to June 22 2005, how could one obtain a copy? One of my uses of the TVAnyTime data is to start building an historical database that can be searched. I know there are various sites that offer this data, but there search capabilities are limited and I'm not sure of the quality/completeness of the data itself - it varies from site to site. Terry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew McParland Sent: Wednesday, 18 July, 2007 19:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing The TV-Anytime files on backstage are working again: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ As some changes are still planned for backstage we'll keep the address below working in parallel as well As for a longer term archive of listings info, in my area we probably have a few years extra data whilst we were working on the TV-Anytime standard but I'm not sure there's another archive inside the BBC that can be made available... If anyone has one please pipe up :-) Andrew BBC Research ad Innovation On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 02:57:31PM +0100, Andrew McParland wrote: Sorry, we've been having a few problems. For the moment you can find a more up to date set of TV-Anytime schedule data files at: http://72.249.74.119/tv-anytime/ Due to this being a temporary measure the address may change, and the files may not be updated as regularly as we would like, but this should keep you going for a bit. We are working towards a better solution and, for the moment at least, we do intend to keep the files of data coming. We'll keep you informed as any changes happen. Andrew BBC Research and Innovation On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 06:03:37PM +0800, Flynn, Terry wrote: Mario, Thanks, I know about the API but prefer the files if their going to be maintained... its been a couple of weeks now, so suppose I better accept the change :( I'm an old, old UNIX programmer and my tools of choice are C and shell script - have a high level of inertia with these new java and perl thingies... Worked out how to make the API calls with wget, so just a matter of loading my little database - simple update...Thanks again for the suggestion... Terry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Menti Sent: Thursday, 5 July, 2007 14:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing On 7/5/07, Flynn, Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if I missed any announcement - will Backstage be continuing the TV and Radio schedules in TVAnyTime XML format? Last update was June 21... As screen scraping the web site is illegal, this is the only option available to many of us to get BBC schedules for whatever purpose... Terry I don't know about the plans for the TV-Anytime files, but the best way to get BBC schedule information is probably through the BBC Web API: http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/index.html The API can give you query results in both TV-Anytime or a slightly simpler XML format. HTH, Mario. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all
Is it only me? Why is I have both Icepodder (ipodder) and Azureus open at the same time on my machine at home? Surely Azureus is clever enough to handle podcasts like icepodder? Ted looks cool, but once again why add another app to the mix? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 27 July 2007 15:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all Hi Dave, Sun opened Java a while ago: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/ it's free now. Vijay. On 27/07/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Another glimpse at the future of television: http://www.rulecam.net/ted/ (Free software under MIT/X11 style licensing, although its depends on proprietary Java :-( -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
Liam S Docherty wrote:
The low graphics version sufffer from the same problem, in that the html
is not considered well formed by the standard Java parsers. I suppose I
could try tidy up the html before parsing =)
In this situation, I'd always suggest BeautifulSoup, but I'm afraid that's
Python, not Java. But in case it's useful anyway, here's a simple script
that extracts the heading and body of a BBC news story with it:
--8-
#!/usr/local/bin/python
from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup
import urllib
f = urllib.urlopen('http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6918266.stm')
html = f.read()
f.close()
soup = BeautifulSoup(html)
table = soup.findAll('table', width=629)[1]
heading = table.find('div', {'class':'sh'}) # Perhaps mxb?
body = table.findAll('tr')[1].find('td')
crufts = body.findAll('div', {'class':'mvtb'})
[cruft.extract() for cruft in crufts]
print %s\n\n%s % (heading.renderContents(), body.renderContents())
--8-
ATB,
Matthew
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Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
I understand that the BBC tracks external links in order to provide stats to respond to the Graf report's requirement for the BBC to link externally more often, and become part of the web. That's done with something in the footer, which automagically rewrites external links to have go tracking on, iirc. ie, puts that funny http://bbc.co.uk/go/tag/anothertag/tag3/-/externalsite.com/blah/page.html url in. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
I'd imagine stats on which story is clicked is quite valuable, particularly when moreover are ranking the stories. I understand that the BBC tracks external links in order to provide stats to respond to the Graf report's requirement for the BBC to link externally more often, and become part of the web. This is probably a goal of the Web 2.0 stuff going on around the BBC as well. J On 27/7/07 10:19, Sean Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/6918490.stm I know this is totally off topic but I notice that the links to external stories are actually being redirected through moreover.com rather than link directly to the site in question (even if it does go through the internal Beeb redirect tracker) Is anyone aware of any reason why they do not link directly to the story on the relevant site instead? Cheers Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
Is anyone aware of any reason why they do not link directly to the story on the relevant site instead? The journalists working on the relevant news story pick the related link to publish alongside their piece. However they use a tool to help them in this task where stories are suggested to them (from thousands of sources). This tool is based on a feed of worldwide news sources (online newspapers etc) supplied to the BBC by Moreover. BBC News have been using it for a number of years.
RE: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Jolly Sent: 27 July 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com Simon Cobb wrote: p2p though? I thought it was straight downloads. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks. It's p2p - based on Kontiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontiki S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Your chance to inform the BBC Digital Media Initiative
We are proud to introduce a new initiative with the BBC Digital Media Initiative (DMI), which will affect the BBC for many years to come. Something which I'm sure the Backstage Community will and could sink its teeth into :) From how the metadata is structured to what formats we should or could be using. Its all in the DMI, and your welcome to comment, suggest or deconstruct our on going plans. There will be lots more information about this _long term_ initiative in the next few weeks, till then there is more on the blog - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/07/your_chance_to_inform_the_digital_media_initiative.html I really hope you all take this opportunity to really look over this project and if needed input into the process. It’s a long running project but from mid next year you will start to see the fruits of the DMI being delivered. Cheers, See you at Minibar... Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
Will it be wholly P2P? Or will it operate on a similar principle to 4OD, where you can stream now and watch on demand, or 'book' to download for watching later? - c _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 27 July 2007 09:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com http://mashable.com/2007/07/26/bbc-iplayer-2/ p2p though? I thought it was straight downloads. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks. ___ Simon Cobb Technical Project Manager, BBC Vision (FL) BBC Future Media Technology 2507, White City, London W12 7TS T: 020 875 27968
Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/6918490.stm I know this is totally off topic but I notice that the links to external stories are actually being redirected through moreover.com rather than link directly to the site in question (even if it does go through the internal Beeb redirect tracker) Is anyone aware of any reason why they do not link directly to the story on the relevant site instead? Cheers Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Jolly Sent: 27 July 2007 08:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles Liam S Docherty wrote: the current format of news articles do not parse well at all, not to mention are rather difficult to extract from the surrounding mark-up code. The simplified version suffers from the same problem, so I was wondering are there any nice html versions or even plain text versions of the news articles? Or does anyone know of a way around this problem? Have you looked at the low graphics version? eg http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/6918490.stm You could also try the mobile xhtml version which should be more compliant. E.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/mobile/bbc_news/top_stories/691/69184/story6918490 .shtml? For those who are interested there are also RSS 2.0 feeds which points to these versions: http://news.bbc.co.uk/mobile/bbc_news/top_stories/rss20xhtml.xml There is a feed for each directory on the mobile xhtml site all following the same URL format. E.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/mobile/bbc_news/england/nwyl/north/cumbria/rss20xh tml.xml The site itself is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/index.shtml Cheers, - Chris - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
Why is Windows Vista unsupported? Windows XP is no longer the 'current' version of the operating system and hasn't been for nearly six months. Surely iPlayer should have been developed for both, or what's the point of betas and testing and bla? On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
As I understand it, it is that the Kontiki client underpinning the iPlayer-library-component-thing doesn't support Vista yet all the best, martin On 27/07/07, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is Windows Vista unsupported? Windows XP is no longer the 'current' version of the operating system and hasn't been for nearly six months. Surely iPlayer should have been developed for both, or what's the point of betas and testing and bla? On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Your chance to inform the BBC Digital Media Initiative
Ian, This looks brilliant. RichE On 27 Jul 2007, at 17:33, Ian Forrester wrote: We are proud to introduce a new initiative with the BBC Digital Media Initiative (DMI), which will affect the BBC for many years to come. Something which I'm sure the Backstage Community will and could sink its teeth into :) From how the metadata is structured to what formats we should or could be using. Its all in the DMI, and your welcome to comment, suggest or deconstruct our on going plans. There will be lots more information about this _long term_ initiative in the next few weeks, till then there is more on the blog - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/07/ your_chance_to_inform_the_digital_media_initiative.html I really hope you all take this opportunity to really look over this project and if needed input into the process. It’s a long running project but from mid next year you will start to see the fruits of the DMI being delivered. Cheers, See you at Minibar... Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Lugradio/ BBC/ iPlayer
Hey backstage folk, The people at lug radio have an interesting podcast about (amongst the usual *spectacular* amounts of swearing and random nonsense) possible ways to get iPlayer working on GNU/ Linux, Mac, etc. There are torrents and direct downloads for both mp3 and ogg here: http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/81 Extra points because they use the phrase 'the unique way that the BBC is funded' :) - and sing their own version of the Grange Hill theme. They touch on pro/ anti DRM arguments, and have some suggestions about maybe linking licence fees to downloads, etc etc. Regards George (disclaimer - I work for the BBC) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Your chance to inform the BBC Digital Media Initiative
Oh you don't know the half of it. Informing the technical roadmap for the future of the BBC is going to be massive. All on the day of the public iplayer :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard P Edwards Sent: 27 July 2007 18:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Your chance to inform the BBC Digital Media Initiative Ian, This looks brilliant. RichE On 27 Jul 2007, at 17:33, Ian Forrester wrote: We are proud to introduce a new initiative with the BBC Digital Media Initiative (DMI), which will affect the BBC for many years to come. Something which I'm sure the Backstage Community will and could sink its teeth into :) From how the metadata is structured to what formats we should or could be using. Its all in the DMI, and your welcome to comment, suggest or deconstruct our on going plans. There will be lots more information about this _long term_ initiative in the next few weeks, till then there is more on the blog - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/07/ your_chance_to_inform_the_digital_media_initiative.html I really hope you all take this opportunity to really look over this project and if needed input into the process. It’s a long running project but from mid next year you will start to see the fruits of the DMI being delivered. Cheers, See you at Minibar... Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] iPlayer Facebook Application
Hi Those who you who were at Hackday will remember Ben Smith and I demoing an iPlayer Facebook application. We have just launched the application to coincide with today's launch of iPlayer. Those of you who have access to the iPlayer beta can install the Facebook application here: http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/ This is an unofficial hack done in our spare time. Feature requests and bug reports are most welcome. Hope you like it Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Facebook Application
For those who aren't in the beta, could you please explain what it does? Regards, On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Those who you who were at Hackday will remember Ben Smith and I demoing an iPlayer Facebook application. We have just launched the application to coincide with today's launch of iPlayer. Those of you who have access to the iPlayer beta can install the Facebook application here: http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/ This is an unofficial hack done in our spare time. Feature requests and bug reports are most welcome. Hope you like it Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all
On 27/07/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun opened Java a while ago: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/ it's free now. Sun announced an intention to release Java under GPLv2. It is not free now. http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/README.html -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPlayer Facebook Application
, that's nice! Installed and worked first time with my closed beta login, I might as well do a little addition to my beta test blog iplayer entry in a bit :) (http://thebetatestblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/fabled-iplayer-review.html if you're curious, if you're still waiting for your login details there should be enough screenies to keep you occupied until you get your password!) For what it's worth, some people (including iplayer messageboard operators) have expressed varying degrees of success at making the underlying khost service application run in Compatibility Mode, setting it to XP and then it just... Working, so all is not lost for the moment if you're running Vista - just check the messageboards (bbc.co.uk/dna/mbiplayer) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Tweed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 July 2007 18:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iPlayer Facebook Application Hi Those who you who were at Hackday will remember Ben Smith and I demoing an iPlayer Facebook application. We have just launched the application to coincide with today's launch of iPlayer. Those of you who have access to the iPlayer beta can install the Facebook application here: http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/ This is an unofficial hack done in our spare time. Feature requests and bug reports are most welcome. Hope you like it Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
I was under the impression that the series link / prebook features were still under consultation, and would most likely arrive sometime soon down the line? That's a little disheartening, if it's been definitely ruled out. -Original Message- From: Martin Belam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 July 2007 12:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com or 'book' to download for watching later? Rather oddly the BBC Executive didn't explicitally include the functionality to bookmark future broadcasts in their submission to the BBC Trust during the Public Value Test. Consequently, the Trust decided to specifically rule out the iPlayer having that functionality available to the user - which seemed to fundamentally miss the point of the main interaction models for watching TV IMHO, as the BBC Trust doesn't outlaw anyone setting their video, PVR, or highlighting something in a listings magazine. http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2007/02/the_bbc_iplayers_odd _bookmarki_2.php all the best, martin On 27/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will it be wholly P2P? Or will it operate on a similar principle to 4OD, where you can stream now and watch on demand, or 'book' to download for watching later? - c From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 27 July 2007 09:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com http://mashable.com/2007/07/26/bbc-iplayer-2/ p2p though? I thought it was straight downloads. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks. ___ Simon Cobb Technical Project Manager, BBC Vision (FL) BBC Future Media Technology 2507, White City, London W12 7TS T: 020 875 27968 -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
Mine just came through. As quickly as I had hoped for and much more quickly than I had expected. Just have to see now if it will work through my proxy (Joost didn't). Paul Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Bridle Sent: 27 July 2007 16:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today? How are the accounts being allocated? I signed up this morning, and like Owen I'm wondering when I'll hear. Looking forward to seeing what it looks like in XP on my Intel Mac... shorttermmemoryloss.com Owen Griffin wrote: On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27^th : - HYPERLINK http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Has anyone tried using the iPlayer on Linux using wine? I could wait for the Linux version but I'm quite impatient. :) Also, does anyone have any idea how long you have to wait before you receive an account? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 27/07/2007 06:08 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 27/07/2007 06:08
RE: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
Does the BBC need a new queuing system, perchance? I signed up this morning, and all I've had is a website response saying 'If we're able to invite you' - guess that's a 'no' then Eamonn Neylon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Daniel Sent: 27 July 2007 19:56 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] iPlayer Today? Mine just came through. As quickly as I had hoped for and much more quickly than I had expected. Just have to see now if it will work through my proxy (Joost didn't). Paul Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Bridle Sent: 27 July 2007 16:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today? How are the accounts being allocated? I signed up this morning, and like Owen I'm wondering when I'll hear. Looking forward to seeing what it looks like in XP on my Intel Mac... shorttermmemoryloss.com Owen Griffin wrote: On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Has anyone tried using the iPlayer on Linux using wine? I could wait for the Linux version but I'm quite impatient. :) Also, does anyone have any idea how long you have to wait before you receive an account? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 27/07/2007 06:08 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 27/07/2007 06:08 Visit the BSI website at www.bsi-global.com This email may contain confidential information and/or copyright material. This email is intended for the use of the addressee only. Any unauthorised use may be unlawful. If you receive this email by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your email software. Thank you for your cooperation. This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses.
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Facebook Application
On 27 Jul 2007, at 20:34, Christopher Woods wrote: , that's nice! Installed and worked first time with my closed beta login, I might as well do a little addition to my beta test blog iplayer entry in a bit :) Thanks. I'm relieved to hear it installed ok and that you like it. (http://thebetatestblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/fabled-iplayer- review.html if you're curious, if you're still waiting for your login details there should be enough screenies to keep you occupied until you get your password!) That's a nice review. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 27/07/07, Owen Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried using the iPlayer on Linux using wine? I could wait for the Linux version but I'm quite impatient. :) I doubt it would work under WINE. The BBC worked exceptionally hard to make sure it won't run under non Windows platforms. The problem is you need to run WMP and Kontiki. WMP was found to use undocumented hooks into Windows (it was the subject of an EU judgement against Microsoft). Even if WINE supported all documented Windows API calls fully (it currently doesn't) it would not know of the undocumented ones. I think that Microsoft where ordered to release details or stop using undocumented API calls, I'm not sure if they complied. So what is the time frame on a cross platform version? A week, A month, 2 months, shouldn't be any more than that at most unless iPlayer was not written well. Anyone CS graduate knows how to do platform independent coding, somebody at the BBC must know how to do it. In case they don't here's some very quick tips. * Use a platform independent language for all the code you write. * If you use external libraries ensure that: - You know in enough detail how they work so that should you need to replace them with a compatible version of your own creation you can do so (open standards would help here). - That the library is written in either a platform independent language or a portable language (that does not use non-portable extensions) and you can recompile the library to a different platform. * You should NOT make OS calls unless such a call is defined by POSIX, and then you should only use it in the defined way. * You should NOT invoke other programs unless they are either defined in POSIX or provided by you. When invoking such programs you must not do so in a platform dependant way. * You should NOT assume any particular layout or placement of files on the system, neither must you assume things like path separators That's pretty much the basics the rest is common sense really. Of course the biggest problem is the installer. They vary widely between platforms and often need to know platform specific things like where to put the binary (or executable) files. Luckily if you Open Source your code and ask nicely someone will probably package your program for you so it can be installed into Linux OSes without out you having to worry to much, and they may list your file in the central store of programs most Linux vendors have. As the installer is the only part likely to be hard to port, I will make an offer, if the BBC can guarantee it will release a Linux client and all the required parts under an Open Source license within the next three (3) months I will learn how to package applications for my particular distribution and attempt to provide a .deb file for easy installation. Can't say fairer than that. (Also if anyone at the BBC can answer this question it would be helpful: If the BBC supports standards as it so often claims why use Kontiki and not the more common and widely used Bit torrent protocol for it's content delivery?). Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 7/27/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Also if anyone at the BBC can answer this question it would be helpful: If the BBC supports standards as it so often claims why use Kontiki and not the more common and widely used Bit torrent protocol for it's content delivery?). I'd guess it's because Bittorrent gets traffic shaped out of existance on a lot of ISP's. Mike. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
