RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Bowden
This always makes me laugh, whether it's Firefox users or Linux users. Because you *can* change the UA in my favourite software, it automatically follows that 30% of reported visitors *are* faking it. I sometimes wonder what these sites are that still need spoofing cos I haven't been visiting

RE: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Cox 'course, bbc.co.uk has had some kind of redirect magic for a while: http://bbc.co.uk/zanelowe/ First time I've seen a big fat httpd.conf called magic :) though i suspect the problem (and usage of tinyurl) is that to get one of those nice

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 06/11/2007, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However that's not always the case. Turnham Green is actually a hell of a lot closer to Chiswick Park tube station, than Turnham Green tube station. ... and if you get a 27 bus to Turnham Green, it stops at the real Turnham Green, not the

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Jason Cartwright
Sure, and where there is ambiguity there should be a disambiguity page to sort that out. J On 06/11/2007, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jason Cartwright The TFL journey planner has such potential, but from what I can see it's not terribly

RE: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jason Cartwright The TFL journey planner has such potential, but from what I can see it's not terribly well built. Why does it have to ask me what type of data I'm inputting? Doesn't it know that SW1W 9TQ is a postcode, White City is a station, and

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread David Greaves
Matthew Somerville wrote: David Greaves wrote: You want an 8am train from Cardiff to Birmingham? http://www.traintimes.org.uk/8:00/cardiff/birmingham The requested URL /8:00/cardiff/birmingham was not found on this server. Hmm, works fine here. ;-) Ho Ho!! Been using the site for

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Richard Smedley
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 08:45 +, Peter Bowyer wrote: However that's not always the case. Turnham Green is actually a hell of a lot closer to Chiswick Park tube station, than Turnham Green tube station. ... and if you get a 27 bus to Turnham Green, it stops at the real Turnham Green,

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Matthew Somerville
David Greaves wrote: then some silly bugger like me will think about it in an entirely different way: (see above URL) Okay, but more and more people can only learn about hierarchical-ness - e.g. the mouse gesture in Opera to go up a level and so on (just thought, I wonder if that works on

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
I've read all this with interest and it brings up some interesting points. The original subjects is with regard to emails, where there is a limit of 78 characters for some (older) systems. The other use for short URLs is where they have to be physically typed in because they are on a hard copy.

[backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/06/highfield_tactics/ As the BBC's New Media technology chief, Ashley Highfield has some tough questions to answer. What is the 4,000 strong division really doing? How did the BBC manage to burn through £100m - what a Silicon Valley start-up can spend in ten

[backstage] CC-Salon London: November 2007

2007-11-06 Thread Tim Cowlishaw
Hi all, please excuse the spam - however, I thought this might interest some people on here (particularly as there'll be some discussion onf the BBC's Creative Archive Licence project). Cheers! Tim -- CC-Salon London returns with our final event of 2007, for

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Michael Sparks
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 13:34, Brian Butterworth wrote: I suspect that I would personally make them:   go.bbc.co.uk/shortcode The shortcode could then also be embedded in any advertising as a 2D barcode meaning someone could just snap a photo of something and have the shortcode easily

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Michael Sparks
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:42, Kevin Hinde wrote: The license fee gives you a license to own equipment capable of receiving broadcast television. If all you have in your house is a computer (no TV card) and an internet connection, then you don't have to pay a license fee. It's not quite

RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Kevin Hinde
Brian Butterworth said * Everyone currently has to pay the licenece fee, as long as they have equipment capable of receiving television broadcasts (from analogue terrestrial, Freeview, Sky/Freesat, cable or IPTV). Mr Highfield, as the BBC's representative, is breaking the trust of the

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Martin Deutsch
On 11/6/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 13:34, Brian Butterworth wrote: I suspect that I would personally make them: go.bbc.co.uk/shortcode The shortcode could then also be embedded in any advertising as a 2D barcode meaning someone could just snap

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread David Greaves
Brian Butterworth wrote: I've read all this with interest and it brings up some interesting points. The original subjects is with regard to emails, where there is a limit of 78 characters for some (older) systems. True - also if they are visible (and long) they can interfere with

RE: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Kevin Hinde
BT Tech Chief: You freetards *do* matter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/open_standards.html

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 06/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:42, Kevin Hinde wrote: The license fee gives you a license to own equipment capable of receiving broadcast television. If all you have in your house is a computer (no TV card) and an internet

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
The whole Linux thing is a total red herring. It is not for you, Mr Highfield, to determine what computers and operating systems that people who HAVE to pay the TV Licence will use. The BBC Charter runs for ten years. Can you really say you know what OS and platforms people will be using in a

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
Is there a good reason that my posting on the http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/open_standards.html page has not appeared. On 06/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole Linux thing is a total red herring. It is not for you, Mr Highfield, to determine what

[backstage] For all the Freetards, Fanboys and Windoze lusers.

2007-11-06 Thread Michael Walsh
My 2 cents: http://digitalrightsmanifesto.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/bbc-iplayer-drm-cross-platform-support-and-peer-to-peer- –-part-ii/ BBC iPlayer, DRM, cross platform support and Peer-to-Peer – Part II. The BBC is getting an ass-kicking in the technological playground that is the Internet at

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Tom Loosemore
I suspect it's called an enormous pre-moderation queue On 06/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a good reason that my posting on the http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/open_standards.html page has not appeared. On 06/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL

RE: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Nick Reynolds-AMi
Indeed - comment now posted Was in a meeting with the OSC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 06 November 2007 17:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter I

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread Jamie Tetlow
Beyond the debate about security in following email links, redirects and then the discussion of poorly designed urls the weirdest thing about the use of tinyurl in the BBC Archive email is that the urls they were substituting weren't that long in the first place: http://tinyurl.com/2fkqes goes

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Andy
On 06/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was in a meeting with the OSC Was that just for show or does the BBC intend to actually pay attention? I think they disagreed with pretty much everything Mr Highfiled has said (see: http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/content/view/78/55/

[backstage] What would you do? (Was: BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter)

2007-11-06 Thread David McBride
vijay chopra wrote: Of course, this raises the question, is he misleading deliberately, or just misinformed? Considering his recent faux pas it's not much of a stretch to believe he's not only misinformed, terminally so (I ascribe nothing to malice that can be explained by eveyday

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
The BBC is on satellite using the EU directive Television without Frontiers, EU (89/552/EEC CHAPTER II, Article 2) directive that states: 2. Member States shall ensure freedom of reception and shall not restrict retransmission on their territory of television broadcasts from other Member States

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Richard Cartwright
On 6/11/07 18:29, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice Ashley's misleading people again. From his blog-post: We do maximise the reach of our services by distributing our content via closed or prioprietary networks (Virgin Media, Sky, Tiscali TV/HomeChoice, mobile platforms, etc.)

Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

2007-11-06 Thread James Cox
On 6 Nov 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Bowden wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Cox 'course, bbc.co.uk has had some kind of redirect magic for a while: http://bbc.co.uk/zanelowe/ First time I've seen a big fat httpd.conf called magic :) and there I was thinking you had some nice

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Tim Dobson
On 06/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh please. Don't try and dismiss the point by picking up on one obviously illustrative statistic. Of course you never mentioned 30%. But you're claiming that the actual figures for Linux use are much higher than the evidence shows.

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread vijay chopra
I stand corrected. Vijay. On 06/11/2007, Richard Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/11/07 18:29, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice Ashley's misleading people again. From his blog-post: We do maximise the reach

Re: [backstage] What would you do? (Was: BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter)

2007-11-06 Thread Tom Loosemore
Forget management, I fear you'll find that the BBC Trust's permission to offer 7 days catchup TV was predicated on using DRM. Various parts of its non-DRM on demand radio proposals (book readings, classical music) failed the Public Value Test due to the BBC Trust's fears over the negative market

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Fearghas McKay
Title: Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again At 16:12 + 6/11/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If the TV Licence was changed to a BBC Licence, it could be collected by the Internet ISPs on top of their monthly charges, which would reduce the collection costs. No it would just move the

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 06/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my mind, the whole Linux-users debate is a clever way of missing the whole blooming point. I broadly agree, although I think the point is that popularity is unimportant while principle - ie, the principle that software developers

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Michael Sparks
On 06/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It's not quite as simple as that. It's not to do with receiving broadcast television anymore, its spec'd as being a television service. A computer with an internet connection picking up the multicast streams from the BBC would require

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Fearghas McKay
At 01:36 + 7/11/07, Michael Sparks wrote: Has there been a later act/amendment? If the apparatus is not installed or used to receive television programme service then no licence is required. Unplugging the aerial and detuning the set are sufficient to render the apparatus un-installed and

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
Tim, The rules for this discussion forum is deploy filters. If you are offended, please stop reading. There is no need to consider flaming. On 06/11/2007, Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh please. Don't try and dismiss the

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 06/11/2007, Fearghas McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:12 + 6/11/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If the TV Licence was changed to a BBC Licence, it could be collected by the Internet ISPs on top of their monthly charges, which would reduce the collection costs. No it would just

Re: [backstage] BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 06/11/2007, Richard Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/11/07 18:29, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice Ashley's misleading people again. From his blog-post: We do maximise the reach of our services by distributing our content via closed or prioprietary networks (Virgin

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 06/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my mind, the whole Linux-users debate is a clever way of missing the whole blooming point. I broadly agree, although I think the point is that popularity is unimportant

Re: [backstage] What would you do? (Was: BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter)

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 06/11/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forget management, I fear you'll find that the BBC Trust's permission to offer 7 days catchup TV was predicated on using DRM. Various parts of its non-DRM on demand radio proposals (book readings, classical music) failed the Public Value

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again

2007-11-06 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 07/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It's not quite as simple as that. It's not to do with receiving broadcast television anymore, its spec'd as being a television service. A computer with an internet connection