Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

What tosh. 2009/9/18 Tom Morris > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 18:19, Brian Butterworth > wrote: > > BUT > > The plus denotes a PVR > > and two letter > > denote HD > > There's no wonder 8% of the public think the TVL pays for ITV > > Well, we've got: > > * Internet > * Internet+ - lets you save fil

RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

I totally agree about the Freeview logo. When I was a kid you could get Cooper Black[1] in Boots The Chemist dry transfer lettering (poor man's Letraset). Everytime I see it I just think of the "layouts" I did at school using a typewriter (before the school has a printer) and Cooper Black. I'

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 18:19, Brian Butterworth wrote: > BUT > The plus denotes a PVR > and two letter > denote HD > There's no wonder 8% of the public think the TVL pays for ITV Well, we've got: * Internet * Internet+ - lets you save files! * Internet HD - appears in high resolution * Internet

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 15:54, Brian Butterworth wrote: > Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD service > > I know that, I was requoting Ant's minor slipup of using Freeview+ for FreeviewHD

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Ant, I totally agree about the Freeview logo. When I was a kid you could get Cooper Black[1] in Boots The Chemist dry transfer lettering (poor man's Letraset). Everytime I see it I just think of the "layouts" I did at school using a typewriter (before the school has a printer) and Cooper Black.

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

To be honest I saw a lot of confusing presentation of logos in the DVB-T2 presentation at IBC. It's a personal point but I happen to think the Freeview logo is an absolute dog of design, and all the + and HD tack ons are awful. Still waddo I know?! a On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Brian Butte

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

BUT The plus denotes a PVR and two letter denote HD There's no wonder 8% of the public think the TVL pays for ITV 2009/9/18 Gareth Davis > > Brian Butterworth wrote: > > I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the > same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD servi

RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Brian Butterworth wrote: > I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD service, Freesat+ HD is the PVR with HD We were talking about Freeview, however if it follows the same conventions as Freesat then Freeview+ can mean HD t

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD service, Freesat+ HD is the PVR with HD... 2009/9/18 Gareth Davis > Brian Butterworth wrote: > > > Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD service > > As an asid

RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Brian Butterworth wrote: > Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD service As an aside, the two types of Freesat receiver we have in the office are marked Freesat HD and Freesat+. But the Freesat+ box does HD as well as PVR. -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Once again, Freeview+ is the PVR, Freeview HD is the HD service 2009/9/18 Scot McSweeney-Roberts > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:01, Mr I Forrester wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:04 +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: >> >> > >> > I think that there's going to be a lot of unhappy free

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:01, Mr I Forrester wrote: > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:04 +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: > > > > > I think that there's going to be a lot of unhappy freeview HDTV owners > > wondering why the TV they have recently bought isn't picking up the > > new HD channels when

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

It's not really being "converted". The Freeview HD services are a cease and re-provide. After switch-over the multiplexes are known as BBCA, D3+4, BBCB, SDN, ARQA and ARQB or PSB1, PSB2, PSB3, COM4, COM5 and COM6 (plus the MEN mux in Manchester). 2009/9/18 Simon Thompson > Poor choice of word

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Yup, my bad. In my defense, it's all a bit complex, and the slides I saw didn't make the distinction clear. Still and all, to get back to the original thread subject, I've seen no sign of a broadcast flag or even CPCM being shoe horned into either the DSO or HD roll out. a On Fri, Sep 18, 2009

Re: [backstage] Re: Freeview HD vs existing "HDMI upscaling" freeview boxes (was RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?)

Simon, I might be wrong, but I'm sure that when you put in the parameters that are being used in the UK for DVB-T2 you get 30Mbps of post-error corrected data. It's quite possible that they have changed the parameters to provide 36Mbps, but my understanding was that 30Mbps is what you will get to

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Poor choice of words by me. Multiplex B is having the SD channels removed from it and is being converted to MPEG4 part 10 and DVB-T2 to allow HD channels to be transmitted. 2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth > Multiplex B aka PSB3 aka BBCB is not VACATED by the BBC, BBC FTV Ltd still > owns the multip

Re: [backstage] Re: Freeview HD vs existing "HDMI upscaling" freeview boxes (was RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?)

Last time I checked the Blue book it didn't mention bitrates: http://www.dvb.org/technology/standards/a122r1.tm3980r7.DVB-T2.pdf And the last time I saw the chairman of the DVB-T2 technical module speaking he mentioned 36 Mbps: 2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth > Wikipedia is wrong (that's a supris

Re: [backstage] Re: Freeview HD vs existing "HDMI upscaling" freeview boxes (was RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?)

On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 09:54 +0100, Frankie Roberto wrote: > ... > If only I could stream BBC iPlayer direct to my TV via my Apple TV > box, I wouldn't really ever need a Freeview HD box. I have created an iPlayer streaming proxy for Unix/Linux/OSX/Win32 to do just this. Not actually tried it with

Re: [backstage] Re: Freeview HD vs existing "HDMI upscaling" freeview boxes (was RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?)

Wikipedia is wrong (that's a suprise). The carrying capacity is 30Mbps, according to the specification. 2009/9/18 Simon Thompson > 30 Mbps is a bit of a low estimate for T2. > > Wikipedia suggests at least 35. > > 2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth > > Briefly, DVB-T2 uses MPEG4 delivered in a 30Mbps

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Multiplex B aka PSB3 aka BBCB is not VACATED by the BBC, BBC FTV Ltd still owns the multiplex. It is being used for Freeview HD carrying three (soon four) public service HD channels. 2009/9/17 Simon Thompson > Ofcom is going to use Multiplex B (vacated by the BBC) to provide DVB-T2 HD > servic

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Please see http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051316 and http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051377 and (for dates) http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=11

Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

Freeview+ is the name of the Freeview PVR/DVR. Freeview HD will be called, Freeview HD. 2009/9/17 Ant Miller > Freeview and freeview+ (as the DVB-T2 carried HD mux is to be called) > will exist in parallel- the number of muxes will drop from 6 to 5, one > will go to DVB-t2, the other 4 will up

Re: [backstage] Re: Freeview HD vs existing "HDMI upscaling" freeview boxes (was RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?)

30 Mbps is a bit of a low estimate for T2. Wikipedia suggests at least 35. 2009/9/18 Brian Butterworth > Briefly, DVB-T2 uses MPEG4 delivered in a 30Mbps (compare 18Mbps and 24Mps) > multiplex using 256QAM (compared with 16QAM and 64QAM) with LDPC/BCH error > correction (not FEC) and 32k carri

RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?

> Cynically, who wants to guess what proportion of "HD Ready" TV owners > a) think they're already watching HD content on Freeview Probably a similar amount to those who have boxes set to 4:3 centre cut out, which is then stretched to 16:9 by their TV :( - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discus

[backstage] Re: Freeview HD vs existing "HDMI upscaling" freeview boxes (was RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?)

2009/9/17 Brendan Quinn > Alan wrote: > > I assume my topfield HD will be out of date with these proposed > > changes? > > Ant replied: > > You'll need to retune, but the services you currently get on Freeview > > should still be available. Think of Freeview + as an optional > > upgrade. > > To