[backstage] London.pm Teach In: First session online
Hi All The first session from the London.pm Teach In is now online. For those of you who use iTunes or an iPod, an enhanced podcast is available at http://feeds.feedburner.com/perlteachin which not only has the audio but also the slides, each one as a separate chapter. Videos in h264 and Flash video are available at http://jtweed.blip.tv/file/254586/, as is an mp3 of the audio. It's also on Google Video at http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5670110662669811241 I'll try to upload the rest of the sessions over the next couple of weeks. Subscribe to the podcast feed at http://feeds.feedburner.com/perlteachin to find out when they're up. I'll make them available in the other formats at the same time. I hope you enjoy the sessions. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] About our API
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:19:34 +0100, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following from the debate about links for programmes... how about this? http://blogs.sun.com/sandoz/entry/bbc_web_api_beta - found via George. Funny this should come up now. The system we were just talking about in the other thread (Pips) has evolved into something that no longer produces a actual pages but is solely a REST API. It meets all the requirements for addressability, statelessness, connectedness and uniform interface as described in RESTful Web Services. It's a shame it's internal only. I'd love it to be on Backstage. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] About our API
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:32:18 +0100, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus ca change? True, but the data differs in content as well as conceptual structure. I'm not overly familiar with the BBC Web API but there also seems to be more metadata in Pips. Pips is episode centric. You can ask for a schedule, but that's not where it's strengths lie. It's not a linear broadcast view of the world, it's about brands, series, episodes, versions, broadcasts and ondemands with the links between all of these. It's also the metadata store for iPlayer, so those oh so important unique identifiers are the same as they are in iPlayer, which would be very useful for tying iPlayer into mashups, widgets, etc. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 27 Jul 2007, at 08:55, Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it’ll be available? This press release [1] says it’ll be available from here on the 27th: - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer Hi Phil No idea what the official line is, but the registration form has been up since last night. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it’ll be available? This press release [1] says it’ll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] iPlayer Facebook Application
Hi Those who you who were at Hackday will remember Ben Smith and I demoing an iPlayer Facebook application. We have just launched the application to coincide with today's launch of iPlayer. Those of you who have access to the iPlayer beta can install the Facebook application here: http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/ This is an unofficial hack done in our spare time. Feature requests and bug reports are most welcome. Hope you like it Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Facebook Application
On 27 Jul 2007, at 20:34, Christopher Woods wrote: , that's nice! Installed and worked first time with my closed beta login, I might as well do a little addition to my beta test blog iplayer entry in a bit :) Thanks. I'm relieved to hear it installed ok and that you like it. (http://thebetatestblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/fabled-iplayer- review.html if you're curious, if you're still waiting for your login details there should be enough screenies to keep you occupied until you get your password!) That's a nice review. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
On 27 Jul 2007, at 16:18, James Bridle wrote: Looking forward to seeing what it looks like in XP on my Intel Mac... I installed it under Parallels on my MacBook Pro yesterday. No problems during installation (I had sorted out any WMP issues a couple of months ago when I last tried it). The video plays fine in a window, but is choppy and pixelated full screen. I would be interested to hear if it's any better under VMware Fusion. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Kontiki Backlash
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:25:10 +0100, James Bridle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outside the DRM/platform debate around the iPlayer, here's another alleged issue that may end up affecting far more users as it is a lot more comprehensible to non-geeks. The fact that it's propagating via Facebook is proof of this alone. Essentially, people are claiming that 4od, Sky Anytime and now the iPlayer are 'stealing' their bandwidth by using p2p to distribute their programmes. A case of lack of good information that might provoke a damaging consumer backlash? Funny you should post this. The second post on the Facebook discussion board for the iPlayer app was about Kontiki: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2507680285topic=2850 Can anyone guess what the first one was? ;-) Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer - RSS feed?
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:09:02 +0100, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if the programme information is available as RSS feeds - it would be nice to add a now on iPlayer feed to iGoogle or to another site... It would very nice Brian. Unfortunately at the moment the best you can do is screen scrape the pages :( Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer - RSS feed?
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:28:10 +0100, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:09:02 +0100, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if the programme information is available as RSS feeds - it would be nice to add a now on iPlayer feed to iGoogle or to another site... It would very nice Brian. Unfortunately at the moment the best you can do is screen scrape the pages :( I've just put a formal request in for this, we'll see what happens. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer - RSS feed?
On 13 Aug 2007, at 19:22, Brian Butterworth wrote: That would be excellent - if the expire date and time could be included that would be very helpful. Hi Brian I'll pass this on. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BT denies pressurising the BBC over iPlayer
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:59:53 +0100, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which reminds me, why doesn't Virgin Media use their 100Mb/s connections they use to connect to the set-top boxes and cable modems to provide a 100Mb/s service - they could blow BSkyB out of the water as ADSL simply can't manage that... Unless things have changed dramatically since I was with NTL, neither can they. In fact they barely managed to provide a connection at all. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer - RSS feed?
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:55:02 +0100, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just been thinking about this a bit more and it seems to me that each page of the iPlayer should be presenting an RSS fee anyway. It seems the site uses a parameter line this... ?filter=txdate:13-08filter=txslot:evening ...which should be the same parameters used for the RSS feed too? Now that's a good idea. I've been meaning to ask for XML versions of these pages but hadn't thought of RSS. I'll talk to the guys in search and see what I can get them to do ;-) Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:15:41 +, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like an unmanageable mess to me. I must prefer a database table, much easier to manage, especially if the short code is translated into a integer. Or if that's the case you could make the algorithm two way and then you don't need a database table. But there's no magic integer id for every page on bbc.co.uk. Incidentally the ids in the /programmes urls are generated by a two way algorithm from an integer (or at least the bit that changes is an integer). Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:34:49 +, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are to be reproduced in newspapers and the like, then they codes really need to be case insensitive and treat zero/O and one/I as the same character. This would allow a total of 34 characters (alphanumerics plus numbers minus two) for each character in the short code. Don't forget to also drop at least u, otherwise you might end up with offensive short codes. You may have noticed that the programme ids don't have any vowels in them. This is deliberate ;-) Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: Licensing of BBC open source code (was RE: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software)
On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:57, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair enough, in that case for this project the BSD or Apache licenses make the most sense as to use. It would be better to take the standard Perl approach and license it under the same terms as Perl itself, i.e. dual licensed under the Artistic licence and the GPL. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds
On 13 Dec 2007, at 00:10, Adam Leach wrote: With the annoucement that iPlayer is apparently going live on Christmas day, are there any plans to provide links to the programs on iPlayer in the TV-Anytime data feeds. I really wish I had good news for you here. I'm *still* scraping the iPlayer site for discovery within the Facebook app :( Talking of the Facebook app, I've just added the embedded video, so you can watch the content inside Facebook ;-) http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/ Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds
On 13 Dec 2007, at 12:41, Michael Smethurst wrote: Just to confirm that jonathan tweed has already done most of the work to make json and yaml representations of /programmes Fingers crossed for some time in January. We'll also have XML thanks to those who came to the talk at Barcamp. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds
Thanks for the positive feedback. I've wanted the video on there since day one. I've written up how I added the player if anyone is interested in doing it themselves. http://jonathan.tweed.name/2007/12/hacking-the-iplayer-embedded-m Cheers Jonathan On 13 Dec 2007, at 12:00, Tom Loosemore wrote: Seconded. It rocks. On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, Thanks for doing that, it's great. It certainly addresses the concerns I had before. On 13/12/2007, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Dec 2007, at 00:10, Adam Leach wrote: With the annoucement that iPlayer is apparently going live on Christmas day, are there any plans to provide links to the programs on iPlayer in the TV-Anytime data feeds. I really wish I had good news for you here. I'm *still* scraping the iPlayer site for discovery within the Facebook app :( Talking of the Facebook app, I've just added the embedded video, so you can watch the content inside Facebook ;-) http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/ Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] New BBC customisable homepage
On 19 Dec 2007, at 10:43, Brian Butterworth wrote: 6. Icons. Since Windows 3, the down triangle has been used to mean drop down menu. I know web designers HATE following UI hints that users have known for decades, but it does make it easier to use. If you could refer to: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511456.aspx That link says it's actually a progressive disclosure control, which is used to allow users to show or hide additional information including data, options, or commands. Seems spot on to me. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iplayer on exotic devices
On Fri Jan 11 10:23:14 UTC 2008, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see two PIDs the original one b007cjrb and the one from versions: b006py02 I am guessing I use the second one? Correct. Episodes are conceptual and are not broadcast directly. They can have many versions and it is these versions which are broadcast and have ondemand availability. Is there always just one version Original or is there an occasion where there are different versions? Every episode should have a version of type Original, but there are other types and a version can have more than one type. The full list of version types is: +-+---+ | version_type_id | name | +-+---+ | AudioDescribed | Audio description | | Lengthened | Lengthened| | OpenSubtitled | Open subtitles| | Original| Original version | | Other | Other | | Shortened | Shortened | | Signed | Sign language | | WarningsHigher | Stronger content warnings | | WarningsLower | Milder content warnings | | WarningsNone| No content warnings | +-+---+ To give you an idea, the following version types have been used at least once: +-+ | version_type_id | +-+ | AudioDescribed | | Lengthened | | Original| | Other | | Shortened | | Signed | +-+ Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer bursts through user target
On Fri Jan 18 12:17:02 UTC 2008, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graeme Mulvaney wrote: It would be good if you could provide 'bookmarks' into some of the current affairs/magazine style programming - e.g. you could jump to a particular report in 'the culture show' or skip to the sudden death round of 'the weakest link', etc. Segmented content, huh? Yes, that would be nice... :-) We're working on it. It's likely to be radio only for quite some time, but it will happen at some point. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC recruits Kazaa's Rose
On 21 Jan 2008, at 02:09, Christopher Woods wrote: I was going through the archives and saw that, which made me wonder - almost five months have passed, and aside from the Flash streaming - which did indeed make its debut just before the end of last year - has the acquisition of Mr. Rose actually brought about anything truly groundbreaking or productive for the Beeb? What with him joining the Digital Media team, and with his vast experience in content distribution... Certainly, the core strategy and architecture of the iPlayer doesn't seem to have changed (an albeit more streamlined Kontiki experience, but still with the same MSDRM and still transmitted via the same means) - I've certainly not seen any particular innovations past what's already there. Yes, Anthony has made an enormous difference to the iPlayer project and FMT in general. I obviously can't say too much, but as someone who was so frustrated with the iPlayer project almost a year ago that I tried to write my own interface, I'm much happier with the way things are now and the way they are going. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Last.fm for television
Hi I've just released an update to the iPlayer Facebook application that has user compatibility features a la Last.fm. It's a bit primitive at the moment but I've detailed the problems and my current thinking here: http://jonathan.tweed.name/2008/01/lastfm-for-television I'd love to get a discussion going on the list about the best ways to do recommendations around television and radio programmes for both user-user and item-item applications. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?
On 18 Mar 2008, at 09:15, Iain Wallace wrote: As you wish: http://beebhack.bluwiki.com/ I think I entirely misunderstood what the point of this mailing list was. I was encouraged to come here to discuss running the iPlayer on exotic platforms but now we're actually doing it it seems it's a taboo subject. Rather than try and work out the bizarre politics of this place I'll be writing my main discoveries regarding the iPlayer on the wiki, which is Free (in both regards). Most of what is on that wiki should be on the Backstage site as documentation. There's not enough documentation on what's available and how it works. (Although to be fair I'm sure a lot of this isn't very well documented internally either ;-) However it was made very clear from the start that the only thing that those discussing iPlayer couldn't do was try to break any protections on the content. That's what is causing the problems on the list and the only thing on the wiki that is contentious. (All my personal opinion of course). Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] b00b3zjr
On 28 Apr 2008, at 16:53, Dan Brickley wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b00b3zjr.shtml?src=ip_mp Page Three Teens Whose cool URI is that? We are not worthy :) Yeah we've been having a good laugh about that one in the PIPs team. I swear it wasn't deliberate ;-) We even removed the vowels from pids to stop things like this, but we forgot about the numbers that look like letters... Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Surely the point is that flash embedded content is a plain, simple, easy thing that works. That makes it more user friendly than before. Cheers Jonathan On 13 Jun 2008, at 12:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything is possible, of course, but people want plain simple easy things that work the way they expect them to work. Flash embedded BBC content isn’t really user friendly… I think. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 11:52 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! It can be done in Windows, not by standard you have a point, but with other applications. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 11:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. !--[if !supportEmptyParas]-- !--[endif]-- I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel.
Re: [backstage] Why are there more advanced schedules on /whatson (and radiotimes.com) than /programmes?
On 17 Jun 2008, at 10:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: Why is this? I can't really go into the specific why. More generally What's On and the Radio Times are fed by a different system than iPlayer and Programmes, which accounts for the discrepancy. Needless to say we are working to resolve this problem as soon as possible. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Programatic searching of /programmes
Hi Andy On 17 Feb 2009, at 21:27, Andy wrote: What I'm looking for is a way of sending a query such as Top Gear and getting back b006mj59 and preferably the name of the programme incase of partial matches. Of course it's possible to spider data from http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/a-z/by/[LETTER]/all but that would require Screen Scrapping and 27 queries (to check for matches that aren't at the begining of the title). But something more efficent would be good. I wouldn't write off the A-Z so quickly, it's actually pretty clever and does find partial matches, e.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/a-z/by/top%20gear/all returns Best of Top Gear, Top Gear and Top Gear Take Two. The last time I needed to do something like this I tried Search first, but ended up using the A-Z on /programmes as the results were much more what I was after. The HTML on /programmes is also easy to parse. I don't call using an XML parser and XPath screen scraping :) Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
I'm about as far from Linux on the desktop as you can get, but I think that's a little unfair. It's no different from talking about .pkg or .msi files on Mac OS X or Windows. Your mum might not be interested in the specifics but this is technical list and so at times people are likely to talk about things at a greater level of detail. Cheers Jonathan On 4 Aug 2009, at 20:40, Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com wrote: Right. I think that sums it up. If I tell my Mum that, she'll look at me as though I'm from Mars. To be honest, as a non-Linux user, but experienced computer user, I have no idea what the hell DEB or RPM are. If that's the best sell you can do, it just demonstrates that desktop Linux still isn't ready for the day to day computer user. Cheers, Rich. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Andrew Bowdenandrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Most Linux software is now available in DEB or RPM format. There's some smaller packages that aren't, and commercial companies have a habit of not fitting in. But frankly most modern distros take an RPM and DEB and know exactly what to do with it so that the user need do little more than click on the file. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Hi I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. Details are here: http://jonathan.tweed.name/2010/02/02/bbc-iplayer-for-apple-tv/ And the source is here: http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 2 Feb 2010, at 21:43, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 2-Feb-2010, at 21:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. Ohhh, very nice work! Not tried it yet, mind. It'd require re-jailbreaking my aTV. might give it a whirl at the weekend. Nice use of flvstreamer :) Thanks, it's been a fun project. Do feel free to fork and improve :) Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 3 Feb 2010, at 10:51, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On 2 Feb 2010, at 21:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. Details are here: http://jonathan.tweed.name/2010/02/02/bbc-iplayer-for-apple-tv/ And the source is here: http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv Are the links fine ? Getting an endless redirect* ? (Am wondering how easy I can get this into the normal frontrow of a normal mac- mini - which is what I use with ElGato as my main TV). Hmm. Not sure why that's not working. I've not put anything on GitHub before though, so I might have done something wrong. Anyone spot anything? I don't think it will work out of the box with FrontRow, as there are differences. There is a project called Sapphire which built a compatibility layer that could be investigated. I didn't use it though as I wanted to understand how building something with BackRow actually worked. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 3 Feb 2010, at 13:09, Mo McRoberts wrote: Really really not a fan of Boxee's UI. Nor XMBC's, for that matter. Both seem pretty sluggish on the aTV, especially compared to the native UI. Which is exactly why I made this. I didn't buy an Apple TV to run Boxee. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
Whilst, as already mentioned, rights agreements stop us from doing this for most programmes, there are cases where we can do it. It's even part of the service licence for Radio 4. From http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/regulatory_framework/service_licences/radio/2008/radio4_Apr08.pdf: offer broadcast radio content for download for an unlimited period of time after broadcast, although this must not include unabridged readings of published works nor full track commercial music nor classical music Which allows us to do lovely things such as this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/archive/ Cheers Jonathan On 28 Feb 2010, at 17:38, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: indefinitely live BBC archive? my daughter (age 13) asks: why can't the BBC make some programmes available all the time? regards Jonathan ie there must be a large number of programmes that the BBC creates, and owns copyright permissions. why aren't at least some of these available via search indefinitely, aka youtube/bbc - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
On 28 Feb 2010, at 22:24, Ian Stirling wrote: But the index is freely available. Just past the tiger, down the flight of stairs (bring your own torch) all nicely card-indexed. Heh. I wish that wasn't as accurate as it is. Much of the BBC's Archive (the documents and photos, but thankfully not the programmes) I meticulously and completely indexed on cards. What's most interesting is that as you get more recent they get harder to read, as they started out typed but are now handwritten. People don't have typewriters on their desks anymore... Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
Hi Jonathan As more of our archive content gets migrated into /programmes, it will start to appear in various places and central indexes throughout the site, including search results. However, that's a mammoth task and one we've only just begun. Other archive content you may have already spotted includes many of the clips on Wildlife Finder and Solar System. There are also also some archive comedy clips beginning to appear on the Comedy site. Sorry I can't give a better answer than that, but we're very much at the start of this one, taking our first baby steps. Cheers Jonathan On 28 Feb 2010, at 21:36, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Jonathan, that's excellent, but there must be more... and where is the central search facility? best ~: On 28 Feb 2010, at 20:37, Jonathan Tweed wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/archive/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
Hi Andy No idea if Davis's feeds are still working, but this is now supported by /programmes. For example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/programmes/schedules.ics Cheers Jonathan On 1 Mar 2010, at 11:55, Andy Smelt wrote: I mean the BBC program guide calendars which were a prototype developed by Davis Buxton. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2007/04/icalendar_versi.html e.g. webcal://gasmark6.com/guide/bbc/BBCRFour.ics On 1 March 2010 11:06, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I'm not totally sure which ones you mean but the backstage one still exists (although I got to say I've not updated it much recently) http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/calendar or if you prefer - http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Smelt Sent: 01 March 2010 10:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
Hi Andy Not sure why it's not working in Google Calendar. That URL should update every day with the schedule for that day. There are week views, but unfortunately they're not available in ics: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/south_east/this_week/grid I guess there's still life in the prototype yet... Cheers Jonathan On 1 Mar 2010, at 13:19, Andy Smelt wrote: Hi Jonathan, Thanks for that, I hadn't realised. Just tried it for the URL you suggested though and Google Calendar didn't seem to like the format. Tried it with http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/south_east.ics and it shows in my Calendar but the calendar is called Mon 1 Mar 2010 on BBC One South East Details. Not quite sure what to expect to see tomorrow. David's feeds showed the whole week ahead. It was useful for setting reminders for certain programs. Rgds, Andy On 1 March 2010 12:29, Jonathan Tweed jonat...@tweed.name wrote: Hi Andy No idea if Davis's feeds are still working, but this is now supported by /programmes. For example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/programmes/schedules.ics Cheers Jonathan On 1 Mar 2010, at 11:55, Andy Smelt wrote: I mean the BBC program guide calendars which were a prototype developed by Davis Buxton. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2007/04/icalendar_versi.html e.g. webcal://gasmark6.com/guide/bbc/BBCRFour.ics On 1 March 2010 11:06, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I'm not totally sure which ones you mean but the backstage one still exists (although I got to say I've not updated it much recently) http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/calendar or if you prefer - http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Smelt Sent: 01 March 2010 10:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [b ackstage] Re: [backstage] Re: get_iplayer 2.77 relea se (was Re: [backstage] get_iplayer dropped in res ponse to BBC’s lack of support for open s
On 27 May 2010, at 20:42, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: Personally, all my use of iPlayer content is to fetch something I'm already aware of; I'm not just browsing randomly. And for that, I find that a command line tool gives a _much_ better experience than any point-and-drool GUI could ever provide. You're missing two very important words there: for you. But there _are_ GUI tools which make use of get_iplayer, such as the get_iplayer.cgi script which runs a local web server and points your browser at it. They haven't received a lot of love because most people with sufficient clue to work on them don't really _care_ about such things. I think Kieran's point is that they should. That's what will drive widespread adoption. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
