Re: [backstage] Does the BBC ever respond to web site feedback?
File a 'complaint' - they seem to elicit a faster response. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: The news page at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10225181.stm currently lists 'JP Morgan gets record �33m fine' under 'Top Business Stories' on the right-hand side, just above the 'Most Popular...'. Do not adjust your set; that's really an unprintable character before the '33m', where there should be a pound sign. This happens because although the page itself is in the contemporary UTF-8 character set, the title in question is in some obsolete legacy 8-bit character set, and the byte 0xA3 which it _thinks_ should mean a pound sign is actually an invalid byte sequence. I reported this a few weeks ago, on a different story. It never got fixed, and the problem keeps happening. I also reported that Akamai was refusing to serve iPlayer content to my home 90.155.92.192/26 range of IP addresses, although it works fine on the 81.187.2.160/28 range that I really ought to have given back to the ISP but never quite did. (Seen with the real flash player, of course.). Nobody ever got back to me about that, either. -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Fwd: Slashdot| Apple's Trend Away From Tinkering
You've be forgiven for thinking this was a BBC list - what with all the postings about Apple and all - I know it's a bit OT, but apparently a British company (X2) are touting an 'iTablet' that looks to be anything but closed: http://bit.ly/dojyX9 Not a peep on news.bbc.co.uk - but I guess that's to be expected these days. On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 19:26, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 18:57, Scot McSweeney-Roberts I don’t think _anybody_ claimed that Apple was “open”. Apple have, however, become far _more_ open than they were, and are continuing to do so. And I'd say they're about as closed as they ever were. Apple's most open products were the non Steve Jobs ones (the Apple II series, the Netwon and the Pippin had it been released). The Mac was at it's most open when SJ wasn't around, and the iPxxx series are all about making things even more closed. Do you actually use any Apple products or pay any attention to changes due to land in upcoming OS releases, or is your information almost exclusively based on news reports and anecdotes? I still use my Netwon. My powerbook has been sitting in a cupboard since it's power supply went. I retired my 4400 (running debian as a server) last year. I have another 8 Apples (a //e, a III, a Lisa and several Macs of various vintage) in storage. As an apostate apple fan boy I still find myself keeping up with what Apple are doing even though I have no intention of going back to the them any time soon. If you want Atom support, patch it yourself. And end up with what, a Darwin based BSD experience? In that case I'd save myself time and stick with FreeBSD. Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Websites to get Panic Buttons
Why should facebook need a panic button for children ? - the TCs clearly set a minimum age. I don't have a problem with the buttons per se, but they should be accompanied with fines for the parents of children caught using such sites - say £250 per incident. I don't have a problem with the buttons per se, but parents need to take more responsibility for the behaviour of their children - I shouldn't have to moderate my bahaviour in an mature space on the off-chance that there are kids lurking on the site waiting to groom unsuspecting adults. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Neil Chalk neil_ch...@hotmail.com wrote: Indeed, although this could be a good idea, I think it will end up like the webmail clients report as spam or junk buttons. Where people use them instead of the delete button and then complain when they don't get further email! Neil. Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:35:52 + Subject: [backstage] Websites to get Panic Buttons From: l...@leenukes.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Seems like a good idea for me: Facebook and other social networking websites are to install panic buttons so children can alert the sites' operators if obscene or inappropriate material is posted. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article6946162.ece There is a chance this could be abused though. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how.http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394593/direct/01/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Google Chrome
It's pretty spiffy - very fast compared to IE7 on Vista. I like the way you can tear-off tabs and re-attach them to a different Chrome window - 'in-tab' pop-ups are a nice feature - It seems fairly stable - even with over 100 tabs active it's still pretty nippy. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's here people: http://www.google.com/chrome now works! Haven't downloaded it as I am using Linux, but I have signed up for email alerts so should be one of the first to know when they get the Linux version working. The Google code URL doesn't appear to be working yet though. Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Search yourself
It knackers the browser history - if you scroll to the end of the list, hitting the back button in IE makes you scroll backwards through all the results - most of which were irrelevant to my query. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://www.searchme.com What do you guys think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [] private; [] ask first; [x] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer bursts through user target
I like the way it combines all the 'nations' - haven't watched any Gaelic/Irish programming since I was a nipper. It would be good if you could provide 'bookmarks' into some of the current affairs/magazine style programming - e.g. you could jump to a particular report in 'the culture show' or skip to the sudden death round of 'the weakest link', etc. On Jan 15, 2008 12:39 PM, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah that's really good news. I've enjoyed using it, and several programs I usually miss I've managed to catch on it. Hopefully an additional interface can be provided to list the programs available at some point. I think it is very useable for an average end user, but Im an information junky and just being presented with 9 programs per page seems like a waste of screen space / a reload to just load 9 more. How about something like http://tvguide.co.uk/ as an 'advanced' viewer, listing all of the last 7 days programs in one easy page (broken down by day / channel etc) Definately a great start, and that's a huge volume of usage too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jan/15/bbc.digitalmedia More than 3.5 million programmes were viewed on the BBC's iPlayer catch-up TV service over the Christmas period, according to the first figures released by the corporation. Hurah. The BBC also found that that there was a significant long tail effect, with many users seeking out more niche interest programmes. More than half of all programmes either downloaded or streamed were placed outside of the top 50. Told you so! Well done, iPlayer people. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC and YouTube deal for real??
That's a scary prospect, besides isn't that what sumo.tv and E4 are for ? On 2/22/07, Jim Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's more likely to be YouTube content on the beeb rather than the other way around, isn't it? On 21 Feb 2007, at 21:37, vijay chopra wrote: OK, many of you will have seen this by now: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/21/1636247 http://www.techsmessage.com/2007/02/21/bbc-and-youtube-in-deal-talks/ But considering all the IP talk that's been going on on the list, is this for real, and if so does anyone know what exactly the Beeb might be planning?? Free Beeb content on YouTube would be good, what purpose would it serve? -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?
The symbolworld site uses a system of graphics called Widgit Rebus Symbols, are they proprietry or is there an independent body responsible for standardising new symbols ? Are there licensing issues attached to using symbols to represent text ?On 6/13/06, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a few correspondents have mentioned the use of stock photographs.People with Learning Disabilities benefit from consistency and many learn an alphabet of images. Some start with photographs of concreteobjects and then move on to symbol libraries.A screengrab of how the bbc news homepage can already be transformedusing CSS is here: http://www.peepo.co.uk/mybbc/grab.pngwith a brief description of the means and intention here:http://www.peepo.co.uk/mybbc/hints.html an example of a news website using symbols is here:http://www.symbolworld.org/eLive/2006/jun06/index.htmthese stories would obviously benefit by the addition of photographs, probably thumbnails linked to larger offsite originals as per googleimages?At the time of the twin towers, I published a weekly news magazinethat was somewhat similar.However this niche market would now benefit from an online presence. regardsJonathan ChetwyndOn 13 Jun 2006, at 09:46, J.P.Knight wrote:On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In fact, I think there was a blog about this, which poked fun at the BBC's stock image usage - bunny something or another.The Beeb's news site used to get laughed at in the railway worldbecause they nearly always used a picture of an old obsolete commuter train from the south of England.Even if they were covering theintroduction of new high speed trains to Scotland.I think they'vehad enough complaints over the years to wean them off using thatimage recently. I assume other subjects have equally amusing stock images for thosein the know.Jim'll-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?
But perhaps thumbnail graphics aren't the way to go - wouldn't a dedicated news feed that was written in plainer English be more useful, users would then be able to choose stories from that feed and then have the full versions read outto them ? Clearer news summaries would better all round. On 6/12/06, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim,the application I am describing, promoting and developing benefitspeople with a learning disability so your quote may be relevant: not for profitplaying of sound recordings and to help visuallyimpaired people.furthermore, in the USA there have been recent changes in the law toallow for instance large print versions to be published, where these are not available from the original publisher, and thus preventcomplaints of copyright infringement.It is possible that the recent DDA legislation, in particular withrespect to the DRC may require the BBC to provide online content accessible to the 20% of the UK population who are functionallyilliterate.** though I am also not a lawyer, please note the BBC arespecifically included.regardsJonathan Chetwynd**I'm forwarding a formal objection to the proposed WCAG2 web accessibility guidelines in a separate email-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] BBC TV API to Nabaztag Wifi Bunny
It's a funky looking thing - I reckon a trip to selfridges (other large department stores and gadget retailers are available) is in order. How easy is it to develop services to run on it ? there doesn't seem to be much on their website ? On 6/9/06, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is really cool. Yeah, someone from the dev team here as one of those bunnies - and a friend of mine has one too. Will see if I can get it working on theirs! Nice work, Ben From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David BurdenSent: 09 June 2006 13:38To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] BBC TV API to Nabaztag Wifi Bunny Ben, Here's one final one before you go then. Using the Nabaztag Wifi bunny to read out what's on TV tonight using the new TV API (thank goodness I can finally stop downloading those TV Anytime files). Of course if you haven't got a bunny you'll just have to watch the video instead. http://www.daden.co.uk/consulting/pages/000296.html All the best Ben, and thanks for everything you've done for BBC Backstage and Web 2.0. David David Burden www.chatbots.co.uk -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?
Generally the images don't belong to the BBC per se, so they can't re-distribute them. Besides, you'd have to question the relevance of the thumbnail images anyway :- How doesa picture of a woman with a dodgy perm help you understand that the NHS has agreed to fund an anti-cancer treatment ? or a picture of a beardy man explain the situation in Iraq ? If people had problems reading the text of the stories then those images would only confuse them more. On 6/9/06, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the feeds with live graphics?About One in Five people in the UK is functionally illiterate**, they need and benefit from images.http://www.peepo.co.uk/mybbc/grab.png is how a simple css user stylesheet can transform http://news.bbc.co.uk however for the present itwould be great if a feed could provide something similar.cheersJonathan Chetwynd** http://www.lifelonglearning.co.uk/mosergroup/rep01.htm -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html .Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Out of the Office
We used to have a 'game' at uni where we'd trigger email cascades and take bets on how high the load average would get before the mailserver went down. I thought out-of-office replies recognised mailinglists? On 5/18/06, Marc Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could get annoying-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2006 15:56To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Out of the OfficeTo whom it may concern;I'm out of the office on annual leave and will return on Monday May 22. In the meantime I'll be checking emails on an occasional basis only.RegardsJulian Clover-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visithttp://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue
'The BBC is also running a competition to revamp the bbc.co.uk 2.0 website, asking the public to redesign the homepage to exploit the fuctionality and usability of services such as Flickr, YouTube, Technorati and Wikipedia.' competition ? On 4/25/06, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1761085,00.html Highfield: refocusing BBC digital output around three concepts -share, find and playThe BBC today unveiled radical plans to rebuild its website arounduser-generated content, including blogs and home videos, with the aim of creating a public service version of MySpace.com.Hey?? Great idea! Why not call it something like... The BBC Networking Club?Gordo--Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/[EMAIL PROTECTED]///-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue
That is awesome - the detail in the news headlines and stuff like the money programme and countryfile is fantastic - please can you add it in to backstage - it's a brilliant - just keep the tagging and indexing in-house, don't open it up and let the rest of the World contaminate it - it's pretty thorough as it is - well done :D On 4/26/06, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Live nowhttp://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 26 April 2006 08:15To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: RE: [backstage] BBC Programme CatalogueHi DaveI'm sure Tom L will be on later to reveal more but yep, the online BBC programme catalogue is going to be released/announced tomorrow.Jem, bbc.co.uksometime this afternoon. it's very, erm, experimental.runs off to write some words and pray we don't get dugg to death -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe,please visithttp://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html .Unofficial list archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue
wll as long as you could keep it clean - it's the meticulous indexing that makes it such a great resource. On 4/26/06, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we could open it up to a new class of data - additions from usersoutside of news, many of the programme descriptions are non-existant, and the contributor details wrong/incomplete.i like the idea of a collision between bottom up and top down metadata- it's not like we can't differentiate between sources of metadata, soyou'll always be able to get BBC-derived stuff On 26/04/06, Graeme Mulvaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is awesome - the detail in the news headlines and stuff like the money programme and countryfile is fantastic - please can you add it in to backstage - it's a brilliant - just keep the tagging and indexing in-house, don't open it up and let the rest of the World contaminate it - it's pretty thorough as it is - well done :D On 4/26/06, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Live now http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 26 April 2006 08:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue Hi DaveI'm sure Tom L will be on later to reveal more but yep, the online BBC programme catalogue is going to be released/announced tomorrow. Jem, bbc.co.uk sometime this afternoon. it's very, erm, experimental. runs off to write some words and pray we don't get dugg to death - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Best Mapping API
Postcodes are for delivering letters- they're not a standardised way to locate things - the coordinates relate to the postmans walking route and can change from time to time. On 3/29/06, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/29/06, Ian Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The UK post code data is all copyrighted/protected/owned.Unlike the USzip code data, which the geocodingAPIs, like yahoo's, also use . Amazes me how much the UK can stiffle creativity sometimes. ... see also the Guardian's campaign: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk Cheers, Mario.-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Patronising
except that the meetings are all in London, how about takingit on the road ? On 11/22/05, Richard Northover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alright alright, caaalm down.let's agree that geography has near enough bugger-all to do with any of this, and go back to sleep, shall we?On 22 Nov 2005, at 13:30, Victoria Conlan wrote: Agreed! We do have computers north of the M25 you know... :-) ... they're just all powered by waste products from the mills, mines and ferrets. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant
This argument sounds similar to the debats rattling around about the rightstobroadcast the1996 and 2000 olympic games on-line. The ultimate solution was for the rights holders to designate the Internet as a novel communications stream and to auction rights for it accordingly. There's no point beating the BBC up about it - it's out of their hands - hell, even Google had to accept that no amount of posturing will get around copyright. On 11/3/05, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's also complicated by the fact that there aren't just rights in theTV programme, there are all kind of underlying rights (ie, copyright on things that appear in programme) that might need to be cleared as well.Literary - a script, for drama; poetry, quotations, song lyrics, bookreadings etcWorks of art - might include buildings, logos etc, plus Photographs (and photographs of works of art have two sets of copyright...)Stagings - I think, called grand rights - for things like choreographyetcMusic rights - both in the composition, and the performancesTypography - ie, the layout of an edition of a book, even if the original text is out of copyright.An interesting case in point is the Daleks - the BBC owns the rights inthe way they look, but the estate of Terry Nation owns the rights in thecharacter and the way they behave. So if you wanted to use the image of a dalek you'd have to clear the rights with the BBC, but if you wantedto animate it to make it move and go 'Exterminate!' you'd also need toclear with the estate. http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/indetail/ownership.htmCopyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work (includinga photograph) lasts until 70 years after the death of the author. Theduration of copyright in a film is 70 years after the death of the last to survive of the principal director, the authors of the screenplay anddialogue, and the composer of any music specially created for the film.Sound recordings are generally protected for 50 years from the year of publication. Broadcasts are protected for 50 years and publishededitions are protected for 25 years. For copyright works created outsidethe UK or another country of the European Economic Area, the term ofprotection may be shorter. There may also be differences for works created before 1 January 1996.So - even if the broadcast copyright has expired, it's no guarantee thatthe underlying rights have...-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon JolySent: 02 November 2005 22:23To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukCc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Andrew BowdenSubject: RE: [backstage] Backstage - StagnantAt 12:57 +0100 26/10/05, Andrew Bowden wrote: Are there old shows in your archive that have had theircopyrights expire?If so, there's no reason they can't beplaced up right now, other then potentially bandwidth.(Towhich I'd say that you should offer them via torrent -- youkeep running the tracker and a single seed, and let the mob effect take care of the rest.)IIRC it takes 50 years for the copyright to expire so that puts us in 1955.It is not a copyright issue, per se. It is a rights issue. Digitalrights.Here is an succinct description of The duration of copyright from http://tyler.hrc.utexas.edu/uk.cfmquotThe time period for copyright has grown continually longer over thelast three centuries. Many think it is now absurdly long. In Britainthe Copyright Act of 1842 introduced the idea of post mortem copyright protection; it established a copyright period of 42 yearsfrom the date of first publication or 7 years after the author'sdeath, whichever was the longer. The Copyright Act of 1911 extendedthe period to 50 years after an author's death; and the European Union Directive on Term of Copyright (adopted by the UK on 1 January1996) further extended the standard period to 70 years p.m.a. Thus in2004 works by authors who died in 1934 or any year thereafter remain in copyright./quotGordo (born 1955)--Think Feynman/http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]///-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe,please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html .Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Video articles feed (Was: TV-Anytime regional opt-out files)
It would be great if you could just chop up the regional programme streams into smaller chunks - actually you could probably do the same thing withmagazine shows such as working lunch and watchdog, etc. On 10/27/05, Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got sky, and sometimes watch different regional news programmes or versions of the politics show - some of the regional news programmes are excellent, but as they're all simulcast I tend to miss out on stuff. Would it be feasible to have a channel that recycled features from these programmes, linking them with national bulletins ? News 24 now has a programme called News 24 Today at 7pm which is hourlong, and apparently takes the best stuff from the One, the Six, Breakfast, BBC World and the regional news rooms - not quite what you were after I suppose, but near perhaps?This sounds like an fantastic idea!Kinda like a podcast [1] for video with just the articles fromprogrammes instead of the whole program.You almost do this now with the news videos on the site but currently the only way to get to it is via the website.Please add this to the list of something we (I) would like to see fromthe BBC :-)Dan[1] I'm not a fan of the term podcast but you know what I mean! -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html .Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
[backstage] other ways of working ?
I was thinking about this last night. Early on, when Backstage was launched - I was excitedwith all the new toys and started playing with the apis and quickly came up with ideas for collaborative filtering, speech to text, mapping, etc. I started coding prototypes using various technologies, but quickly stopped when I realised that other people were working on similar ideas. There are a few projects that I could probably contribute to - but I'm not comfortable jumping in andcriticising somebody elses efforts through the mailing list - there isn't a framework that encourages or supports collaborative development.I'm not happy wading into a project that's already up and running, especially as some of the authors have clearly put a lot of effort into them. === What I'd like to see would be a workflow -somethingalong these lines: 1 An ideawould beproposed, discussed 2 and if there is sufficient interest enters a proposal phase 3 more discussion would encourage groups of developers to collaborate 4 and start working on prototypes 5 which would then go back into the system for discussion The mailing list and current website don't support such collaboration, so it's happening on an ad hoc basis - I'm an analyst programmerand just can't work that way :( - personally, I need a bit of structure. === I'd like to propose aswitch from athe current blog 'n'list formatto a soft-moderated forum based metaphor for backstage. Asimple forum based system would give you a place to collate documents and discussions relating to ideas and prototypes. Forae are much more proactive environments, as you've seen, mailinglists can quickly stagnate - forae rarely do. To give you a better idea of what I mean, I've knocked together a small forum... http://backstage.forumup.org/index.php?mforum=backstage And copied over some data - there is a weather widget concept that's gone through to prototyping = ok - the content is ropey, and the structure needs a bit more work, but it should give you an idea of what I'm thinking about. It would address several criticisms of the current model, namely low visibility of comments and a lack of apparent progress, it would also help to pull all of the information into one place. BBC should have enough stuff left over from 'collective' and 'get writing' to cobble together a suitable workspace, failing that there are a plethora of sites hosting forae out there, What do you think ?
Re: [backstage] TV-Anytime regional opt-out files
That's pretty cool. In a similar vein, but different vein... any chance of BBC rolling out a News24 stylechannel, but with a national focus. [channel wouldn't have to be broadcast - could be broadband] I've got sky, and sometimes watch different regional news programmes or versions of the politics show - some of the regional news programmes are excellent, but as they're all simulcast I tend to miss out on stuff. Would it be feasible to have a channel that recycled features from these programmes, linking them with national bulletins ? I guess it would end upa bitlike Nationwide or 60 minuteshttp://www.tv-ark.org.uk/bbcnews/bbcnationalnewsevening.html If not as a whole channel, would it be possible to just release video of the invdividual news items on to the news.bbc site - tag'em up orattach an RSS feed and let people pick 'n' mix the news they're interested in. On 10/26/05, Hywel Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In view of the stagnant thread, I thought I'd add something new to theTV-Anytime data so that people can have something new to experiment with. It hasn't been rigorously rested and may include some errors - but this isa stab at representing regional opt-outs using TV-Anytime.At the momentI'm only providing English regional opt-outs for BBC One, but hopefully it won't be too much extra work to extend to the Nations and BBC2 Nations.Here's the way I've implemented it:1.In the ServiceInformationTable, the main BBCOne feed is still London -this actually reflects how the BBC have provided sustaining feeds to the regions for a long time.2. The English regions are also in the ServiceInformationTable - these havean extra element describing the parent service as being the BBCOnefeed.In other words, when there's no data provided specifically for the regional feed, assume the parent feed's data is to be used.3. ProgramInformationTable:The metadata for all the regions is found inthe BBCOne file.As always, these are indexed by their CRIDs.4. ProgramLocationTable: Again, a single BBCOne file is provided.The Schedule table for the BBCOne sustaining service is initially listed,followed by the regional opt-outs.Only the programmes that differ arelisted here, with the parent service being assumed to otherwise. 5. ContentReferencingTable:Here, for each CRID, the locations for allregions are listed. When services are opted out, they're not listed underthe main BBCOne service.This isn't the only way to represent regional opt-outs in files, but I thought I'd experiment with this format, to see if it's a viable method ofdistributing a complete service list for a broadcaster which has regionalopt-outs.The first file of this format is found in the sub directory test from where the data is usually put and is called 20051025.tar.gzThe dataautomatically provided every day hasn't changed.For now, I'll only produce an occasional set of files in that directory foryou to get the gist.If someone requires a more regular service, that can be arranged...Hywel-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Competition
Maybe when you get back we could compare notes - I wrote some web services to query the tvanytime data - I'm a Microsofteeand would be interesting to see how you tackled the problem. Ben, et al. any chance we could look at implementing a web service to tack onto the existing BBC schedules site - it would cut out the hassles involved with managing copies of the tv anytime data ? We got roped into the billion minutes thing at work - BBC provides a public service - I'd rather spend my 2500 minutes working on something like this, rather than out in the rain. On 10/25/05, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,Is there any news on the results of the competition?It has been a few weeks and unless I have missed something, it hasn't been mentioned for a while.Unfortunately the VoIP and SMS parts of my project are currently unavailable asI'm on holiday and didn't want to leave it running unattended and my computerhas a habit of over heating :-( On a different subject would anyone have any use for a TV Listings SOAP Service?I'm currently working on one to help integrate the different parts of myproject, but could make it available to other people. Have fun, I'm off for some Moroccan mint tea :-)Adam-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant
if you look at the way they've rehashed their schedule Sky News is actually moving closer to the News 24 editorial style - having more 'programming' and less rolling news. On 10/26/05, Richard Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps my analogy misled you.The BBC, as a television network has continually moved forwarditself. Most of the high points were when creative genius invented a certain quality for the public to consume. be it in news,entertainment or information on the web.It is not a competitionbetween Sky and the BBC as you say. but re-branding happens inboth organisations. So how can the BBC in one infant area lead the way now? It is myopinion that copyright and access to certain information and contentgo hand in hand. Whether it can be free and used as such isdetermined by those very contracts. A few days ago there was a discussion about using the Met office feeds. as far as I saw,once the price that they charge for their service was mentioned thenthe ideas dried up.It is interesting that this is a public corporation yet the nearest the actual designers and programmers get to having all that supportis basically to give away your project should it be any good.I think a balance of being actually able to access expensivecontent ... BBC services for your itch if you like, and having the programmers supported in their ventures, in any way, is prettyimportant. I can think of a million things to do with old programmes,just like the original dance beats of the late eighties and ninetiescame from earlier songs looped or sampled by artists who were just in to music. Those programmers took action to use that content.This can be a brilliant place for ideas, but ultimately those ideasseem to me mostly attached to the control and distribution ofdata . would be great to hear from the corporation, what have they actually got than can be used now?RichOn 25 Oct 2005, at 22:06, J.P.Knight wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Richard Edwards wrote: I somewhat agree. I am not a programmer but I watch the mails here for a clue as to where people want things to go. The BBC have incredible resources yet there seems to be more innovation of the Apple Discussions board. As an example, this week Sky News re- launched, even as a normal event there should be a complete re- design of the BBC news site by now. Eh?Why would Sky News being re-launched (which was such massive news in and of itself that this was the first I'd heard of it!) cause a complete redesign of the BBC news website?I can imagine it working the other way round, but why would a leading UK web news service change its distinctive look-n-feel just because a wannabe has tried to rebrand itself? As Duncan says, it is a two way street here. My thing is music, but I see Backstage as a programmers BBC3.. I think it should be serious, and therefore needs it's own copyright contract and possibly some kind of fee structure for both sides. Oh no!That sounds like it will just drift down the commercial route. Those of us who just want to play with BBC services and scratch a developmental itch will be back to square one.If folk want money- exchanging-contracts with the BBC, please do it in smoke filled rooms and not on backstage. As for the bursty nature of this mailing list, it probably depends on many factors, including (but not limited to) folks' free time, competition dead lines, sudden bouts of ideas and folk bouncing new ideas off each other. I don't think we've seen a killer app yet that creates a constant background of postings. Jim'll - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Ajax Search
AJAX is a toilet cleaner On 10/19/05, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offence, but I wish people would stop using the AJAX acronym, Ajax is a dutch football team, the 'new' acronym is just another way of saying look I can use _javascript_ i.e something people have been doing for years /rant (sorry 'AJAX' is one of my pet annoyances) That aside it looks like a good app. :-)Vijay On 19/10/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been a while since I posted something.For your comments I add in bbcsearch. This system uses a cron based indexer of BBC RSS feeds to a database.The index table is pretty slimlineand all common words within a story are removed to reduce database sizeand improve search times.Currently ive only been indexing for a short period so results would cover more area when the database fills. Front end is powered by Ajax with the data provider producing an XMLfeed of matched stories.Searches takeplace two seconds after the last keypress as long as the string is different than the previous. The ranking algorithm is being worked on and has about 12 differentassesments on ranking.Every search has a maximum number of 20 results which are updated withinthe ajax app in real time. I've tried this with various searches and its pretty accurate, usuallycoming up with a story im interested in.You should base the search on a target idea such as the recentearthquakes as the predictive nature of the system will produce the results you most want.It would be difficult to judgethe system just by typing words withoutany preference for results.Please dont hammer it too much, bandwidth maybe limited on this on :) http://www.webcoding.co.uk/bbcsearchHope you enjoy.James.-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Ajax Search
AJAX isnot that big a deal really - it's only doing client side what most of us have been doing on the server for years. What is anoying is when people bandy it around as if it were a language or some kind of endorsment. It's only a development paradigm - nothing more - after you've seen a couple come and go, you kind of become immune to the hype surrounding them. I would have thought it was fairly ubiquitous nowadays anyway (?) On 10/19/05, Amias Channer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:26:26 +0100vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offence, but I wish people would stop using the AJAX acronym, Ajax is a dutch football team, the 'new' acronym is just another way of saying look I can use _javascript_ i.e something people have been doing for years /rant (sorry 'AJAX' is one of my pet annoyances) That aside it looks like a good app. :-)And people saying AJAX is just _javascript_ is a pet annoyance of mine too ;-) The term AJAX (as distinct from the footbal club Ajax) in its original usagerefered not just to using _javascript_ . It's more about the fact the the code fetches the data instead of pulling it from the HTML file. see http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.phpThe _javascript_ actually writes the page based on the XML data it has collected , it can also filter and sort this data (think google maps). This is not very different from the conventional model where the data comesas part of the HTML file and updates don't happen without a page refresh.see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX I think this destinction is important although the common misuse of the termwould suggest that others don't . they are of course wrong ;-)Toodle-pipAmias-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] A request
Hi Vijay, I take it that you're a Computer Science major ? in which case why not write a small applet to fire off goal events, simulating a feed from the BBC site. If you have a look around, then you can easily get your hands on a fixture list for the season, and player stats for each team (hint: think of the information that is useful to people putting to gether a team for a fantasy league game). Then it's simply a matter of pseudo randomly generating a few goals - your client application would never know the difference. I guess it depends on what your brief is ? are you interested in sinking events or in pattern analysis ? On 10/4/05, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben, Thanks for your efforts, and if you do get permission thanks again, meanwhile I'll have too look into other sources for data. As an aside, legal arguments always puzzle me, as I don't see how accessing a direct sports scores feed is any different from viewing the information on the BBC website, or listening to the results on the radio, TV etc. As Shakespeare famously had Henry VI say let's kill all the lawyers ;-p Vijay. On 04/10/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Vijay, Whilst the data would be old it's still bound by the rights of our data provider which will mean we will still have to get permission. I can try and find out whether we can get any old data for you, but I'm not sure how successful I will be. On the aspect of intellectual property, yes we are very much into the open/free approach too - that's why we are running backstage :). I just wanted to make clear that giving up access/a licence is not a requirement to participate! Ben backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of vijay chopraSent: 04 October 2005 14:32To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A request Hi Ben, thanks for the prompt answer, is there o chance you could even give me old data from last season (or before), that would be of no use to anyone else? Afterall does the feed supplier care what happened during the last nintey minutes of a couple of seasons ago? Also a quick reply about Intellectual Property, I realise that I didn't need to let the BBC use any works I created (or will create), but would be happy too aslong ase it reamained free (as in freedom http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html)Thanks.Vijay. On 04/10/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Vijay, Unfortunately we are not providing sports scores data via backstage.bbc.co.uk . This is due to contractual issues with our feed supplier which we are looking to resolve. Just a quick point on the latter part of your email: the Intellectual Property of the projects build via backstage.bbc.co.uk remain with the person(s) who originally built them (although the data supplied remains copyright of the BBC). It's something I'm quite keen to stress -- there is no requirement for anyone on backstage to give us rights to their work (unless they want to). Ben Metcalfe :: backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of vijay chopraSent: 04 October 2005 13:17To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] A request Hi all, I'm new too the the backstage mailing list, but it seems to be the appropriate place to make a request to use BBC content for my final year degree project. What I would like to use are the sports scores feeds that power the football live videprinter and cricket latest scores (if such feeds exist). I need these to create a goal alert application and once that is completed a wicket run alert system. Of course if I am successful I can integrate other sports, and let the BBC use it to supply this information too its users. ThanksVijay.-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] A request
You should be able to 'borrow'the datafrom one of the sportals, justmake sureyou don't get your Markov chains all tangled up in the process ;) On 10/4/05, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Graeme, thanks for the idea, I'm actually a Software Engineering student, writing an applet is a good idea, and one I may end up using, the result I'm trying to achieve is having a projected league table according to current scores, so I can see where my team (Southampton) after the game should scores stay as they are. Oh, and Richard, The Saints will have sole rights too goal events (well perhaps if we had a decent striker) ;-p. On 04/10/05, Graeme Mulvaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Vijay, I take it that you're a Computer Science major ? in which case why not write a small applet to fire off goal events, simulating a feed from the BBC site. If you have a look around, then you can easily get your hands on a fixture list for the season, and player stats for each team (hint: think of the information that is useful to people putting to gether a team for a fantasy league game). Then it's simply a matter of pseudo randomly generating a few goals - your client application would never know the difference. I guess it depends on what your brief is ? are you interested in sinking events or in pattern analysis ? On 10/4/05, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben, Thanks for your efforts, and if you do get permission thanks again, meanwhile I'll have too look into other sources for data. As an aside, legal arguments always puzzle me, as I don't see how accessing a direct sports scores feed is any different from viewing the information on the BBC website, or listening to the results on the radio, TV etc. As Shakespeare famously had Henry VI say let's kill all the lawyers ;-p Vijay. On 04/10/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Vijay, Whilst the data would be old it's still bound by the rights of our data provider which will mean we will still have to get permission. I can try and find out whether we can get any old data for you, but I'm not sure how successful I will be. On the aspect of intellectual property, yes we are very much into the open/free approach too - that's why we are running backstage :). I just wanted to make clear that giving up access/a licence is not a requirement to participate! Ben backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of vijay chopraSent: 04 October 2005 14:32To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A request Hi Ben, thanks for the prompt answer, is there o chance you could even give me old data from last season (or before), that would be of no use to anyone else? Afterall does the feed supplier care what happened during the last nintey minutes of a couple of seasons ago? Also a quick reply about Intellectual Property, I realise that I didn't need to let the BBC use any works I created (or will create), but would be happy too aslong ase it reamained free (as in freedom http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html)Thanks.Vijay. On 04/10/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Vijay, Unfortunately we are not providing sports scores data via backstage.bbc.co.uk . This is due to contractual issues with our feed supplier which we are looking to resolve. Just a quick point on the latter part of your email: the Intellectual Property of the projects build via backstage.bbc.co.uk remain with the person(s) who originally built them (although the data supplied remains copyright of the BBC). It's something I'm quite keen to stress -- there is no requirement for anyone on backstage to give us rights to their work (unless they want to). Ben Metcalfe :: backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of vijay chopraSent: 04 October 2005 13:17To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] A request Hi all, I'm new too the the backstage mailing list, but it seems to be the appropriate place to make a request to use BBC content for my final year degree project. What I would like to use are the sports scores feeds that power the football live videprinter and cricket latest scores (if such feeds exist). I need these to create a goal alert application and once that is completed a wicket run alert system. Of course if I am successful I can integrate other sports, and let the BBC use it to supply this information too its users. ThanksVijay.-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do. -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] TV-Anytime: movies split up my the news
probably not - the second halfof the moviewoukd bea different broadcast item - unlike a repeat - perhaps the two halves constitute a group ? On 9/10/05, Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either the list is slow or leo is having problems sending to the list,so here we go:-- Forwarded message -- From: Leo Lapworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sep 10, 2005 1:22 PMSubject: Send to list..To: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi,I can not see any relationship in the data between programs which are splitby another program (e.g. the news).. for example:In 20050902BBCOne_pi.xmlBBC One - High Crimes programId=' crid://bbc.co.uk/272908090'2005-09-02 20:00:00 - 2005-09-02 21:00:00and:BBC One - High Crimes programId='crid://bbc.co.uk/272908095 '2005-09-02 21:40:00 - 2005-09-02 22:30:00Am I missing something - or is this a bug ?ThanksLeo-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Test
it's been a bit quiet of late... On 8/16/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I hate it too when dumb people like myself send TEST messages. Doh, this obviously it working… Sorry. Ben :: backstage.bbc.co.uk -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] 3D?
or alternatively http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/--- although most of it would be a piece of pie to do in dHTML ;) On 8/12/05, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ATB,Matthew[1] Defined as homestarrunner.com-
Re: Creating New Topics (Was: [backstage] NewsGlobe Update)
I think that using a new subject is better - I'm using gmail which auto-threads them into conversations, it makes life so much easier. --- # I've got another 50 gmail invites - if anybody wants an account just mail me... On 8/5/05, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 01:01:30PM +0100, David Burden wrote:[ interesting stuff that had nothing to do with what he was replying to ] David,When creating a new topic of dicussion on this (or any other) mailinglist, it's a really good idea to create a completely new email insteadof just replying to an old one an changing the subject. The reason for this is that when you reply to an email, your mailprogram inserts headers called 'In-Reply-To' and 'References' whichindicate which discussion thread your email belongs to. When someonereads your email in a program that supports a threaded view of the discussion (e.g. thunderbird or mutt) then the program uses thoseheaders to work out where to display your message.As a result, your email about NewsGlobe appeared way down in thediscussion on Ave's bbc2mp3 instead of in its own new thread. I realise that most people don't use threaded email readers so theydon't notice the problem, but it can get really annoying for those ofus who do.Thanks,Dave...--Stab a sorry heart With your favourite finger-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
