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On 24/11/2007, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 23, 2007 12:20 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [quoting me in April] > > > > > > It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis > > > automatically, too. Indeed, all our on-demand audio is alread

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On 24/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nobody thinks DRM is safe - it just has to be "safe enough". I wouldn't say it was "safe" at all, but I know you weren't talking about "our" perspective. ;) -- Noah Slater "Creativity can be a social contribut

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On Nov 23, 2007 12:20 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [quoting me in April] > > > > It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis > > automatically, too. Indeed, all our on-demand audio is already encoded > into > > Ogg Vorbis, for when it becomes a popular codec (a

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> So what you are really saying is that as long as it is not generally known that saving streams is easy to do, then this is fig leaf to placate the rights holders. To be less glib than I have been on here recently, erm, pretty much that is it. *I* know you can rip streams to files to keep for e

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On Saturday 24 November 2007 16:55:38 Michael Sparks wrote: > If a copyright license doesn't explicitly allow you to do something, and > it's a permitted exception "and _if_ it's _not_" I meant of course... :-) Michael - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

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On Saturday 24 November 2007 15:05:05 Stuart Ward wrote: > Why is this, because it is pretty simple to copy the stream to a file > and and save it. I read the terms and conditions and there was nothing > to prevent me doing this for my personal use. If a copyright license doesn't explicitly allow

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On 24/11/2007, Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 24/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > And why is this different to the broadcast radio where there are > plenty > > > of devices that allow the recording of a radio program. > > > > Because when it is broadcast it

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On 24/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And why is this different to the broadcast radio where there are plenty > > of devices that allow the recording of a radio program. > > Because when it is broadcast it's a single one-to-many pipe, streaming is > lots of small pipes..

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On 24/11/2007, Stuart Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tristan Ferne said the following on 23/11/07 09:39: > > > > The programmes on the Radio Player are presented as streams only. The > > BBC's agreements with rights holders prevent the BBC from authorising > > copies being made of internet

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On 24/11/2007, Stuart Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is this, because it is pretty simple to copy the stream to a file > and and save it. I read the terms and conditions and there was nothing > to prevent me doing this for my personal use. Of course, there is already a free software tool to

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Tristan Ferne said the following on 23/11/07 09:39: > > The programmes on the Radio Player are presented as streams only. The > BBC's agreements with rights holders prevent the BBC from authorising > copies being made of internet audio streams. > > Hope that helps, > > Tristan Why is this, be

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On 22/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What has IE got to do with it? oops - misunderstanding > I don't choose what OS my customers use, and given that I've been a Unix > sysadmin for a couple of decades now, please don't lecture me about OSes. oops - sorry, misunderstandi

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On Friday 23 November 2007 12:20:11 Dave Crossland wrote: > It will become a popular codec by influential people publishing audio > in it, like Virgin and the BBC, and by people learning to value > software freedom and requesting audio publishers to use the format. I hope not, the last thing the w

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy > Sent: 23 November 2007 14:55 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music > What Podcasts (if any) are people listening to? See this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/

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> This is a particular feature of Internet Explorer 7, I find. Google Reader does the same as well -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unoff

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On 23/11/2007, Tristan Ferne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have asked around and I can try to answer some of your points... Thanks. > We think this may be your feed reader / podcatcher archiving the RSS > feed, so an old remains listed, even though we've deleted the mp3 > and removed any refere

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On 22/11/2007, Michael Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not a direct answer from the man himself and It's obviously not BBC > policy but: > > James Cridland, now Head of Future Media & Technology, BBC Audio & Music > Interactive, wrote to this mailing list in February whilst he was still w

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> > We think this may be your feed reader / podcatcher archiving the RSS > > feed, so an old remains listed, even though we've deleted the mp3 > > and removed any reference to it from the RSS feed. Our RSS feeds for > > podcasts should only contain valid items. > > This is a particular feature o

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On 23/11/2007, Tristan Ferne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > How does one report faults experienced in the downloads? > > If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking > > system (if you have one) perhaps you could add: > > I have asked around and I can try to answer som

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Hi Andy, > How does one report faults experienced in the downloads? > If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking > system (if you have one) perhaps you could add: I have asked around and I can try to answer some of your points... > When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists

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On 22/11/2007, Carlos Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Which programmes are you getting a 404 for? Can you give some examples > please. In theory, once the file is removed from live then there > shouldn't be a link to them in the RSS feed. > > Think because we only got rights from the PPL we

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in which case the logo is wrong and should be changed From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sean DALY Sent: Thu 22/11/2007 5:02 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music >> Is there such a thing as "

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Sean DALY wrote: > From a technical standpoint, how simple can it be to design a DRM > system compatible with the copyright law of the world's 20 biggest > markets? You have got to be kidding - right? Whole chunks of the judicial system has a hard enough time determining the copyright law of ONE

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Nick Reynolds-A&Mi wrote: > Is there such a thing as "legal creep"? It's either legal or it isn't. Indeed - under certain jurisdictions copying music is legal. 'Fair Use'. However the music industry would have you believe that it is always illegal. That would be legal creep - no, it doesn't chan

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>> Is there such a thing as "legal creep"? It's either legal or it isn't. Nick, I think what was meant is when rules, or regulations, or technical measures such as DRM go beyond what is legal. For example, an FBI logo-style warning shown at the beginning of a DVD, long enough to annoy me but not

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ember 2007 16:17 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music Nick, On 22/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-A&Mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So its not technically an offence then. Is there such a thing as "legal creep"

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Andy - why don't you ask these questions on the Radio Labs blog? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 22 November 2007 14:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music Anyway back vague

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creep%22 -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Greaves > Sent: 22 November 2007 14:34 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music > > >> The BBC does have to obey

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Which programmes are you getting a 404 for? Can you give some examples please. In theory, once the file is removed from live then there shouldn't be a link to them in the RSS feed. Think because we only got rights from the PPL we have to stick to UK only on those podcasts. It is a shame but gues

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bc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music >> The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law. > > But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law. > > I saw a bus shelter yesterday which had a "it is illegal to smoke in > this bus she

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Anyway back vaguely on topic: How does one report faults experienced in the downloads? If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking system (if you have one) perhaps you could add: When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists many episodes, the enclosure links for these are invali

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>> The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law. > > But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law. > > I saw a bus shelter yesterday which had a "it is illegal to smoke in > this bus shelter" sign on it in Churchill Square, Brighton yesterday. > However, the shelte

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[backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On 22 Nov 2007, at 10:52, Sean DALY wrote: > > * How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive, > especially worldwide. Need this necessarily be the case though? considering that broadcast (and arts / media / entertainment se

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> * How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive, > especially worldwide. i'm not so sure. Ofcom's (my current employer) view is that the ability to copy and share in perpetuity is an adherent *advantage* if your aim is to deliver public service media (BBC etc.) It may cost m

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On 22 Nov 2007, at 10:52, Sean DALY wrote: * How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive, especially worldwide. Need this necessarily be the case though? considering that broadcast (and arts / media / entertainment sector in general) is one of the most over-subscri

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I agree with what Michael says. However I'm not sure the rights holders insist on DRM. They insist on protection of their income which flows from copyright, which is not the same thing. DRM is today's solution to provide that protection, but it is broken, costly, complicated, annoys end users, abu

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what do you mean by "is technically an offence". From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 22 November 2007 10:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

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s stop, claims that the law requires something which it does not. Which is technically an offense... -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson > Sent: 21 November 2007 23:36 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject:

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2007 21:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On Wednesday 21 November 2007 00:16:13 Dave Crossland wrote: ... > on this issue like that; merely that they should not contribute to the > problem by only using proprietary or patent-encumbered formats

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The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 21 November 2007 23:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On 21/11/2007

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On Wednesday 21 November 2007 23:35:46 Tim Dobson wrote: > This is not an argument about ethics, Dave keeps turning it into one. I was trying to point out the self same thing to him. > Please consider researching this. What specifically do you think I don't understand, and on what basis have yo

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On 21/11/2007, Tim Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 21/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How very .. classic .. of you to use a desktop application. > > > > My laptop is liberated without being weighed down by Outlook, online > > applications can be used from everywh

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On 21/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How very .. classic .. of you to use a desktop application. > > My laptop is liberated without being weighed down by Outlook, online > applications can be used from everywhere. They are always faster than a > remote console session! Yo

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On 21/11/2007, Michael Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2007 00:16:13 Dave Crossland wrote: > > Promoting proprietary software and inflicting DRM on > > people is unethical. <<>> > You want a publically funded body consisting of unelected employees > tell

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On Wednesday 21 November 2007 00:16:13 Dave Crossland wrote: ... > on this issue like that; merely that they should not contribute to the > problem by only using proprietary or patent-encumbered formats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Patent_holders You won't be watching TV after digital swi

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On 21/11/2007, Tim Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps you can turn on "threaded" view in your email program (or use > > a free software one like Thunderbird that has such a feature, if yours > > doesn't) > > To be honest, I'm w

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On 21/11/2007, Martin Deutsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 11/21/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just as an aside, I have a collection of BBC Sound Effects records on > > vinyl, can I use 30 second snippets of these on a future podcast? > > > > For example: > >

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On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps you can turn on "threaded" view in your email program (or use > a free software one like Thunderbird that has such a feature, if yours > doesn't) To be honest, I'm waiting to for thunderbird to get an extension to make it just like

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On 11/21/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just as an aside, I have a collection of BBC Sound Effects records on > vinyl, can I use 30 second snippets of these on a future podcast? > > For example: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sound_Effects_No._19_-_Doctor_Who_Sound_E

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Ummm...personally I have absolutely no idea, sorry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Wed 11/21/2007 12:00 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On 21/11/2007, Tristan Ferne <[EMAIL PROTEC

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o.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2007/11/music_podcasts.shtml -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth > Sent: Wed 11/21/2007 6:34 AM > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music > > On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL

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On 21/11/2007, Tristan Ferne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't actually remember where this started Perhaps you can turn on "threaded" view in your email program (or use a free software one like Thunderbird that has such a feature, if yours doesn't) Eg, http://cache.lifehacker.com/assets/reso

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PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Wed 11/21/2007 6:34 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

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On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here, > > the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in > > "libre" not "gratis", so we don't

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On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here, > the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in > "libre" not "gratis", so we don't want anything to do with software > or codecs that involve patents

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That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here, the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in "libre" not "gratis", so we don't want anything to do with software or codecs that involve patents, pretty much at least 80%+ of the people who own portable musi

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On 20/11/2007, Carlos Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Xiph wiki has the list: > > http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers > > > > The part about Chinese-made players being Vorbis-aware > > without documentation is interesting. > > > > I'm not aware of publicly available marketshare

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> The Xiph wiki has the list: > http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers > > The part about Chinese-made players being Vorbis-aware > without documentation is interesting. > > I'm not aware of publicly available marketshare data for > portable players though (that is, non-iPod). NPD in th

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Martin Belam wrote: > I'm more interested in "Usability" and "Value For Money" for Licence > Fee payers. Does anyone have any kind of gauge of what percentage of > portable music players will actually play files encoded in Vorbis out > of the box without either a firmware upgrade or installing soft

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I'm more interested in "Usability" and "Value For Money" for Licence Fee payers. Does anyone have any kind of gauge of what percentage of portable music players will actually play files encoded in Vorbis out of the box without either a firmware upgrade or installing software on them? On 20/11/2

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On 20/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-A&Mi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > no it isn't its for any device you can recieve a TV signal on Regulation 9 of the Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004[1] says: "9 (1) Any apparatus installed or used for the purpose of receiving (whether by means

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no it isn't its for any device you can recieve a TV signal on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 20 November 2007 14:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

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:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nick Reynolds-A&Mi > *Sent:* 20 November 2007 12:31 > *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > *Subject:* RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music > > > > no Barry its not as the fee is about the signal you recei

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dent and it is operating from a battery, of course. -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Barry Carlyon > *Sent:* 20 November 2007 12:18 > *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > *Subject:* RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts

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; Sent: 20 November 2007 13:02 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music > > > > > > So if I didn't watch the bbc I would not have to pay the license? (cept I do > for the iPlayer?_ > > > > In that case h

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Behalf Of Barry Carlyon Sent: 20 November 2007 12:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music Well the only reason I pay the license fee is so I can have a tv (and not get fined lots of money), the only bbc programme I watch is spooks, which I watch thru th

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backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music And the BBC MUST be popular - otherwise no licence fee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 20 November 2007 11:56 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [

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mobile: 07729048443 skype: barrycarlyon _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Reynolds-A&Mi Sent: 20 November 2007 12:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music no Barry its not as the fee is about the si

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i thought open systems were the answer not to lock things down From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 20 November 2007 12:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On

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to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nick Reynolds-A&Mi > *Sent:* 20 November 2007 12:04 > *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > *Subject:* RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music > > > > And the BBC MUST be popular - otherwise no licence fee > > > -

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November 2007 12:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music Well the only reason I pay the license fee is so I can have a tv (and not get fined lots of money), the only bbc programme I watch is spooks, which I watch thru the iPlayer anyway So the

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/leedsaction.co.uk/luubackstage.com mobile: 07729048443 skype: barrycarlyon _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Reynolds-A&Mi Sent: 20 November 2007 12:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music And

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y is the heart of the problem. -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Richard Lockwood > *Sent:* 20 November 2007 11:56 > *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music > > > > > > > &g

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On Nov 20, 2007 12:02 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20/11/2007, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In Davetopia everything is black and white - > > popular = bad. In the real world, things are less clear cut. Popular > has > > no place on the scale between g

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And the BBC MUST be popular - otherwise no licence fee From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 20 November 2007 11:56 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

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On 20/11/2007, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In Davetopia everything is black and white - > popular = bad. In the real world, things are less clear cut. Popular has > no place on the scale between good and bad. I'm glad to hear you are thinking about good and bad ;-) -- Regar

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> > > > Forget popularity, think about principle. > > > It is worth noting that often these things turn around on the head of a > pin. If we were having this discssion in 1985, someone would have pointed > out that "*no one ever got* *sacked for buying IBM". Everyone was "happy" > with the popula

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On 20/11/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20/11/2007, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, this is "a discussion list for anyone keen to build interesting > new > > prototypes or proofs of concept with BBC content", so I assumed some > > development knowledge.

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On 20/11/2007, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, this is "a discussion list for anyone keen to build interesting new > prototypes or proofs of concept with BBC content", so I assumed some > development knowledge. I have some, but I'm not able to do that project myself. Its a good

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Greetings everyone, this is my first post. Jason Cartwright wrote: > Of course, this won't happen (it be being popular, IMHO), because nobody > cares what format they consume their content in - they just care that it > works (which MP3 does). As proved by the BBC OGG trial years and years ago. I

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Well, this is "a discussion list for anyone keen to build interesting new prototypes or proofs of concept with BBC content", so I assumed some development knowledge. I'd suggest that the MP3s would make a good enough source - most of the content is speech-based, and designed to be consumed with ea

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Brian Butterworth wrote: > > > On 20/11/2007, *David Greaves* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > >> On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL P

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On 20/11/2007, David Greaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music > >>> for free, f

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Jason Cartwright wrote: > Of course, this won't happen (it be being popular, IMHO), because nobody > cares what format they consume their content in - they just care that it > works (which MP3 does). As proved by the BBC OGG trial years and years ago. You are right. It's true that people don't car

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On 20/11/2007, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 19, 2007 10:08 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music > > > for free, forever, at the poi

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

Dave Crossland wrote: > On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music >>> for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of >>> wheth

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 20/11/2007, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hum... why not You appear to have mistaken me for a software developer :-) But I totally agree its a good idea - although transcoding from another compressed format isn't good enough, we'd need access to the originals, as Brian sugges

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music > > for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of > > whether they had paid their

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

Hum... why not setup a process to automatically parse the XML, download the MP3s, re-encode them as whatever format you want, then republish them with new XML. Sure its a bit naughty (OK, very naughty), but if it's popular you can post the log file analytics here and get some publicity for the 'cau

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On Nov 19, 2007 10:08 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music > > for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of > > whether they had paid

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music > for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of > whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* > wasn't going to be good en

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 19 November 2007 20:13:27 Dave Crossland wrote: > > Yes, its important to avoid the confusing term "intellectual property" > > and consider the laws that are grouped in that term on their own, > > since their purposes and details

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music > for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of > whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* > wasn't going to be good enou

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On Monday 19 November 2007 20:13:27 Dave Crossland wrote: > Yes, its important to avoid the confusing term "intellectual property" > and consider the laws that are grouped in that term on their own, > since their purposes and details are totally different. It doesn't help though that the patent of

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* wasn't going to be good enough for some. [throws up hands in despair and backs way from th

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 19 November 2007 17:31:26 Andy wrote: > > What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one. > > Yes, software gets patented in Europe, including the UK, and has been for > many years. For software to be patentabl

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On Monday 19 November 2007 17:31:26 Andy wrote: > What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one. Yes, software gets patented in Europe, including the UK, and has been for many years. For software to be patentable it generally has to sit inside a system and affect something ou

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 19/11/2007, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/11/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered audio > > What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one. Software idea patents in some countries harm us

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On 19/11/2007, Andy Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30:46PM +, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dave, > > > > > > If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before > being > > > tr

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30:46PM +, Dave Crossland wrote: > On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave, > > > > If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before being > > translated to the site, providing OggVobis version shouldn't be a problem,

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