Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
Thanks for the response Brendan, I will see what I can get from the museum in New York, although it is an effort getting information from them :) The feeds I tried for this version were: http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/world/rss.xml and http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_world_edition/front_page/rss.xml Unfortunately I can't ascertain what error I get because I don't have access to the PC there. I just know that nothing was being grabbed and parsed when the request was being made. I will ask them though. I'm guessing it's down to local conditions rather than at your end, but what surprises me is that it worked for a few days then stopped and after that no-one I asked in US could see it. thanks for your consideration, best wishes, Jon On 3 Mar 2006, at 10:04, Brendan Quinn wrote: Hi Jon, Nice piece! I'll have to check it out if I ever get out to Forest Hill :-) Can you tell us which actual feed you are requesting, what your user agent string is, and what ISP you are coming through? I might be able to check out whether it is any at our end. It really should be fine though, the problem might be at your ISP or some firewall somewhere. Also, what error message are you getting when the feed fails? Another idea could be to try using feeds.bbc.co.uk/(...) instead of www.bbc.co.uk/(...) Actually,. It would be great if you could all start doing this! It's nicer for our stats system and gives us the opportunity to move the serving of our feeds to a different server setup in the future. Regards, Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Thomson Sent: 03 March 2006 09:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM Hi there, I'm a newbie to the list but have used backstage for a while to power an artwork called decorative newsfeeds: http://www.thomson-craighead.net/docs/decnewsf.html http://www.thomson-craighead.net/docs/decnewsffh.html Here's the deal though. I am exhibiting it in New York State at the moment and it ran for a few days then was blocked. As far a I can tell friends in Chicago, San Francisco and New York couldn't see it either unless they looked 'in browser and at our server' which made me think it wasn't an individual block --the piece certainly makes no more demands on bbc rss than any news ticker would. I switched to 'world_edition' after speaking with someone at BBC but still no joy. In the end I had to set up a proxy and forward the news to the installation via our webserver in UK I was wondering though if anyone had a reasonable explanation for why they should be blocked in the states? Even 'world_edition' it would seem. It happens also to be running in Sweden now just fine too. Idle curiosity really but thanks in advance, best wishes, Jon Thomson On 3 Mar 2006, at 00:40, Kirk Northrop wrote: Nick B wrote: You obviously fixed it. I then left as every hour was too annoying. Can I get an update when I want ... e.g I want every 3 hours between 7am and 12am... Just a thought. Other than that, quite okay, it started working the last few days. Indeed, works fine(ish) here too, but hourly is a bit much ;) -- From the North, this is Kirk www.noisetosignal.org - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Note on feed hostnames (was RE: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM)
Okay thanks Jon. Let me know if you come up with anything. To clarify a point from my previous post, anything from News Online (ie content from news.bbc.co.uk) hosts its feeds on newsrss.bbc.co.uk, and you should continue to use that hostname. But for feeds originally on www.bbc.co.uk, we request that you change the hostname in your URLs to feeds.bbc.co.uk. Hope that clears things up for anyone who was wondering :-) Happy hacking, Brendan. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
On 3/3/06, Kirk Northrop[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick B wrote: You obviously fixed it. I then left as every hour was too annoying. Can I get an update when I want ... e.g I want every 3 hours between 7am and 12am... Just a thought. Other than that, quite okay, it started working the last few days.Indeed, works fine(ish) here too, but hourly is a bit much ;)Thanks for everyone's feedback, sounds like the original problem is now solved/worked around. Re. the frequency of the newsflashes, there are a number of improvements and new features being planned, which will include being able to select frequency of newsflashes in addition to some level of personalisation wrt the types of headlines delivered. I'll keep you posted... Mario.
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
The IM server restarts too much. My friends don't boing more than once or twice a day. On 3/3/06, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/3/06, Kirk Northrop[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick B wrote: You obviously fixed it. I then left as every hour was too annoying. Can I get an update when I want ... e.g I want every 3 hours between 7am and 12am... Just a thought. Other than that, quite okay, it started working the last few days. Indeed, works fine(ish) here too, but hourly is a bit much ;) Thanks for everyone's feedback, sounds like the original problem is now solved/worked around. Re. the frequency of the newsflashes, there are a number of improvements and new features being planned, which will include being able to select frequency of newsflashes in addition to some level of personalisation wrt the types of headlines delivered. I'll keep you posted... Mario. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
You obviously fixed it. I then left as every hour was too annoying. Can I get an update when I want ... e.g I want every 3 hours between 7am and 12am... Just a thought. Other than that, quite okay, it started working the last few days. On 2/25/06, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/25/06, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Brickley wrote: I guess the AIM version works then. I also signed up for MSN flavour of the bot, but haven't had any newsflashes... Same here. Probably best to take this off-list. From the sound of it, it seems there is a problem with pushing the messages to some MSN subscribers. I'll have a look at it next week when I get some time. In the meantime, it would be useful if people that have tried the MSN bot could let me know whether or not they are receiving the messages (email me privately please) - I tried it myself with a couple of MSN accounts, and it worked with both, so some more info would be useful to try and narrow it down. Cheers, Mario. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
* Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-02-24 21:58+] At 21:37 + 23/2/06, Nick B wrote: I'm trying it with MSN Messenger, and have received nothing in days. Cannot use the command leave. And trying to join again says I'm already registered. Is it borked? Works for me. Here is the latest * AIM IM with BBCNews Flash. I guess the AIM version works then. I also signed up for MSN flavour of the bot, but haven't had any newsflashes... Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
On 2/25/06, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Brickley wrote: I guess the AIM version works then. I also signed up for MSN flavour of the bot, but haven't had any newsflashes...Same here.Probably best to take this off-list. From the sound of it, it seems there is a problem with pushing the messages to some MSN subscribers. I'll have a look at it next week when I get some time. In the meantime, it would be useful if people that have tried the MSN bot could let me know whether or not they are receiving the messages (email me privately please) - I tried it myself with a couple of MSN accounts, and it worked with both, so some more info would be useful to try and narrow it down. Cheers,Mario.
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
I'm trying it with MSN Messenger, and have received nothing in days. Cannot use the command leave. And trying to join again says I'm already registered. Is it borked? On 2/17/06, Ladetto, Juan (Sistemas LANACION.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mario. I'm working at www.lanacion.com.ar and I'm very interested in this development. In which language did you do it? Or, what libraries did you use to build it? I was surfing through the internet but I couldn't find any project that help me. Could you give me some extra information? thanks for you time. Regards Juan De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Mario Menti Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Febrero de 2006 08:40 a.m. Para: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Asunto: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM Another late night, another IM bot... Someone suggested off-line it would be nice to have an IM bot that pushes news to them automatically, without you having to request it. So I sat down last night and implemented something like this (pretty raw in its current state): - you contact the bot to register you interest - the bot sends out the latest 5 headlines from the BBC news page every hour (on the hour) to all those registered - and of course, you can contact the bot again to remove yourself from the list If anyone wants to try it out and let me know what they think, here's the details: Google Talk and Jabber users, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN users contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM users contact bbcnewsflash As I said, this is still very experimental, so don't be too surprised if it doesn't always work... but I'd be interested in people's feelings in general, whether something like this is useful (or just annoying..). One obivous next step would be to be able to select the type of news you want (currently it's just the 5 items most recently updated in UK version of the news feed) by registering keywords, or being able to pick news by category. Cheers, Mario. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
Hi Mario. I'm workingat www.lanacion.com.arand I'm very interestedin thisdevelopment. In which languagedid you doit? Or, what libraries did you use to build it? I was surfing through the internet butIcouldn't findany project that help me. Could you give me some extra information? thanks for you time. Regards Juan De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Mario MentiEnviado el: Jueves, 09 de Febrero de 2006 08:40 a.m.Para: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukAsunto: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM Another late night, another IM bot...Someone suggested off-line it would be nice to have an IM bot that pushes news to them automatically, without you having to request it. So I sat down last night and implemented something like this (pretty raw in its current state): - you contact the bot to register you interest- the bot sends out the latest 5 headlines from the BBC news page every hour (on the hour) to all those registered- and of course, you can contact the bot again to remove yourself from the list If anyone wants to try it out and let me know what they think, here's the details:Google Talk and Jabber users, contact "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"MSN users contact " [EMAIL PROTECTED]"AIM users contact "bbcnewsflash"As I said, this is still very experimental, so don't be too surprised if it doesn't always work... but I'd be interested in people's feelings in general, whether something like this is useful (or just annoying..). One obivous next step would be to be able to select the type of news you want (currently it's just the 5 items most recently updated in UK version of the news feed) by registering keywords, or being able to pick news by category. Cheers,Mario.
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
At 14:03 + 9/2/06, Mario Menti wrote: On 2/9/06, Kirk Northrop mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bot doesn't seem to work for me - always offline? That's odd, they all seem to be online OK.. which network are you trying, and which client? The bots should be set to auto-authorise new contacts, and should automatically show their status. If anyone else can't see them online, please let me know.. Thanks, Mario. I have Mac OS 10.4.4 with iChat (fixed IP via Demon ADSL) AIM identity hindgrove Tommy, can you see me? Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 00:17 +, Mario Menti wrote: Any more feedback/suggestions/problems, please keep them coming. Not sure how much I'll be able to do about it in the very short term (as a skiing holiday in my native Switzerland is beckoning), but issues and suggestions will certainly be considered/addressed in due time. Oh, Copyright Copyright: (C) British Broadcasting... is a bit redundant. Also, it doesn't give a year, which is required for a valid copyright notice. Just a minor nit. -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
Good work, I'll have to try it out later, but I've been looking for somthing like this, so thanks, and keep up the good work.On 09/02/06, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another late night, another IM bot...Someone suggested off-line it would be nice to have an IM bot that pushes news to them automatically, without you having to request it. So I sat down last night and implemented something like this (pretty raw in its current state): - you contact the bot to register you interest- the bot sends out the latest 5 headlines from the BBC news page every hour (on the hour) to all those registered- and of course, you can contact the bot again to remove yourself from the list If anyone wants to try it out and let me know what they think, here's the details:Google Talk and Jabber users, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]MSN users contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM users contact bbcnewsflashAs I said, this is still very experimental, so don't be too surprised if it doesn't always work... but I'd be interested in people's feelings in general, whether something like this is useful (or just annoying..). One obivous next step would be to be able to select the type of news you want (currently it's just the 5 items most recently updated in UK version of the news feed) by registering keywords, or being able to pick news by category. Cheers,Mario.
RE: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
I'm waiting to receive my first hourly newsflash, but it certainly looks cool. News have a desktop alert application you can download (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3533099.stm) but it would be good to translate the breaking news emails (http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/email/breakingnews) into IM alerts. On the subject of the breaking news email - there is actually a feed that supplies this: http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/services/desktop_alerts/xml/i fs/alert_data.xml It's not RSS, but the deal is that the latest alert is contained in the XML, and each alert iterates up in the id entity. So you can poll this feed regularly (not tooo regularly, please!) and monitor for a new item number. Anyway, the IM bot is really interesting, and certainly a great alternative way to release new to people quickly. Please don't forget to submit it either! Cheers Ben Metcalfe, backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
vijay chopra wrote: Yeah, I've seen the breaking news alerts thing, it's a bit bloated and intrusive, that's why I like the look of this IM bot. When all the bugs get ironed out, maybe the Beeb could look into making it official? The bot doesn't seem to work for me - always offline? -- From the North, this is Kirk www.noisetosignal.org - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
I'm still at uni, so I havn't tried it yet, but there's no way it can be worse or more bloated than the official BBC 'breaking news' application; espicially as I keep google talk running anyway. On 09/02/06, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: Yeah, I've seen the breaking news alerts thing, it's a bit bloated and intrusive, that's why I like the look of this IM bot. When all the bugs get ironed out, maybe the Beeb could look into making it official? The bot doesn't seem to work for me - always offline?-- From the North, this is Kirkwww.noisetosignal.org-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
On 2/9/06, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bot doesn't seem to work for me - always offline?That's odd, they all seem to be online OK.. which network are you trying, and which client? The bots should be set to auto-authorise new contacts, and should automatically show their status. If anyone else can't see them online, please let me know.. Thanks,Mario.
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
Mario Menti wrote: That's odd, they all seem to be online OK.. which network are you trying, and which client? The bots should be set to auto-authorise new contacts, and should automatically show their status. If anyone else can't see them online, please let me know.. It's the [EMAIL PROTECTED] one that isn't working. The News Flash one does. I'm using MSN Messenger 7.5.0322 on Windows XP Pro SP2. -- From the North, this is Kirk www.noisetosignal.org - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
I couldn't see your TV listings bot as online when I used GTalk , however when I tried using it, it worked fine. Hope that helps.On 09/02/06, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/06, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bot doesn't seem to work for me - always offline?That's odd, they all seem to be online OK.. which network are you trying, and which client? The bots should be set to auto-authorise new contacts, and should automatically show their status. If anyone else can't see them online, please let me know.. Thanks,Mario.
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
On 2/9/06, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't see your TV listings bot as online when I used GTalk , however when I tried using it, it worked fine. Hope that helps.Thanks Vijay - I've noticed this a few times with the Talk client, also with human non-GTalk jabber clients. Sometimes even just right-clicking on the contact makes them suddenly appear as online. Conversely, my GTalk account sometime appears as away to my other Jabber account, even when it's actually online. Probably some Jabber s2s issues somewhere..
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
On 2/9/06, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the [EMAIL PROTECTED] one that isn't working. The News Flashone does.Strange, that one looks online as well. In general it's certainly possible for the bots to go offline (either by being kicked, or network/connectivity issues), plus they're only running on a little development server of mine that may itself go down once in a while, but usually they should come back online quickly (have some cron jobs that check their status).
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 11:39 +, Mario Menti wrote: Someone suggested off-line it would be nice to have an IM bot that pushes news to them automatically, without you having to request it. So I sat down last night and implemented something like this (pretty raw in its current state): It's rather nifty, but I wish it wouldn't message me with the same article more then once -- that is, ignore stories that it's already messaged me. (After the first hour anybody is there, that falls into sync again, or just give people a short first one.) -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hourly news flashes via IM
Thanks for everyone's feedback with this.A summary of suggestions received includes...- only showing headlines once (the current format is showing the news items most recently updated, so the same stories may re-appear if they've been updated, a little like hourly network news I guess) - being able to select news categories/keywords you're interested in- being able to specify the times you want to receive the news flashes, not just hourlyIn addition, I found some weirdnesses with Google Talk, but am not sure if anyone else has. It doesn't always seem to deliver the news, while delivery to a more standard Jabber client/account seems to work as planned. Any more feedback/suggestions/problems, please keep them coming. Not sure how much I'll be able to do about it in the very short term (as a skiing holiday in my native Switzerland is beckoning), but issues and suggestions will certainly be considered/addressed in due time. Cheers,Mario.
