RE: [backstage] iMP issue
BBC Worldwide Limited is company, wholly owned by the BBC, that sells BBC merchandise (e.g. video and audio recordings of BBC programmes, books, magazines, toys and games). They're primarily there to hold the rights to BBC productions for commercial exploitation - ie, for rebroadcast internationally, for DVD release, and for repeat on non-BBC channels in the UK. They then re-invest in the public service bit of the BBC on a production-by-production basis; ie, putting money in if they think a show has strong commercial potential after its public service 'free' life. It's all a bit complicated, and I only vaguely understand the arrangement. And you're not wrong, Nico - the political and economic issues about the idea would be... large. K - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iMP issue
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Luke Dicken wrote: Umm...the BBC aren't allowed to take money from advertising are they? Andy That's what I'd have thought. And it jolly nice to have one major media outlet on the web that *isn't* stuffing your browser full of banner ads, targetted popups, etc, etc. Long may my membership fee (aka telly licence) keep it that way. Jim'll - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP issue
Hi, On 11/24/05, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Hawkins wrote: Umm...the BBC aren't allowed to take money from advertising are they? No... but BBC Worldwide are... Ah. Ok. Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP issue
Hi, On 11/24/05, Nico Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time for my 2 p - been monitoring this list since it started - has noone suggested that the Beeb use their extraordinary visibility 'customer base' to emulate Google on a paid ad basis? Umm...the BBC aren't allowed to take money from advertising are they? Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iMP issue
On 11/24/05, Nico Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time for my 2 p - been monitoring this list since it started - has noone suggested that the Beeb use their extraordinary visibility 'customer base' to emulate Google on a paid ad basis? Umm...the BBC aren't allowed to take money from advertising are they? Andy That's what I'd have thought. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP issue
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:06:34 + Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Don't even *think* about telling me what I should and shouldn't support this is not about you its about what is a good codec to use for the BBC's IMP system , a system that is supposed to be platform agnostic . Anything from microsoft is out from the start as it is not platform agnostic. simple logic. 2 3 error these questions are unworthy of response. Try looking at products produced by a company as individual pieces of software/programmes (as opposed to programs)/initiatives, and taking each on its own merits. You never know, you might broaden your mind a little. you can't take them on their merits when they are designed and implimented as a cohesive mesh of interlocking non-standards . Toodle-pip Amias - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP issue
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:22:53 + Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/05, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a bigger problem as iMP is using standard Microsoft WMA DRM files. As this is widely used, there are more people interested in bypassing the DRM system, and so eventually it will always be bypassed, Fair enough DRM is a waste of time IMHO , the time would be better spent working out a revenue model that allowed free delivery of content . plus its created by Microsoft. Right. Could someone explain to me exactly why this is a problem? Widely used, so an obvious target for bypassing - yes, I'll go along with that. Created by Microsoft - no, that's not a problem. Had you said Created by Microsoft and has inherent security flaws as demonstrated by link, link, link and this paper here written by whoever, then yes, that would be a valid point. Simply slating something because it's created by one manufacturer is not. I might not like Volvo cars, but I don't feel the need to slag off the airbag at every possible vaguely related opportunity. er , you 'forgot' the lockins where its very hard / illegal for users of other systems to gain access to documents / media produced by M$ formats and don't get me started on the forced upgrades for profit stuff either. That is enough for me and a growing number of people to ignore microsoft formats out of hand. Try standing up for a company people like instead. Toodle-pip Amias - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP issue
Shame; even thought I hate DRM, I know that PHBs love it, and if they cant work it, it means the Beeb might scram iMP :(On 13/11/05, Dave Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems BBC may have a problem with the iMP trial, apparently it's possible to get round the DRM thus taking away the watch within 7days restriction source - http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.tech.digital-tv
Re: [backstage] iMP issue
This is a bigger problem as iMP is using standard Microsoft WMA DRM files. As this is widely used, there are more people interested in bypassing the DRM system, and so eventually it will always be bypassed, plus its created by Microsoft. Other codecs are less widely used and known about, so in theory should be more secure. With the BBC providing the shows for free, there is less of a reason to crack the codecs, although someone is always going to try it. Adam vijay chopra wrote: Shame; even thought I hate DRM, I know that PHBs love it, and if they cant work it, it means the Beeb might scram iMP :( On 13/11/05, *Dave Whitehead* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems BBC may have a problem with the iMP trial, apparently it's possible to get round the DRM thus taking away the watch within 7days restriction source - http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.tech.digital-tv http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.tech.digital-tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP issue
And this is why people don't like DRM: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/13/1419206tid=233 With crazy restrictions like that, can you really blame people for trying bypass it?On 13/11/05, Dave Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Problem is they will be free to UK tv licence payers, there will be insentive for people outside the UK to try and bypass itDave- Original Message -From: Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:49 PMSubject: Re: [backstage] iMP issue This is a bigger problem as iMP is using standard Microsoft WMA DRM files.As this is widely used, there are more people interested in bypassing the DRM system, and so eventually it will always be bypassed, plus its created by Microsoft. Other codecs are less widely used and known about, so in theory should be more secure.With the BBC providing the shows for free, there is less of a reason to crack the codecs, although someone is always going to try it. Adam vijay chopra wrote: Shame; even thought I hate DRM, I know that PHBs love it, and if they cant work it, it means the Beeb might scram iMP :( On 13/11/05, *Dave Whitehead* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems BBC may have a problem with the iMP trial, apparently it's possible to get round the DRM thus taking away the watch within 7days restriction source - http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.tech.digital-tv http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.tech.digital-tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, pleasevisit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
