Dear james
you write: internet lists have, at times, raised eyebrows precisely because someone makes a comment that is derrogatory about an institution or individuals on an institution. IMO, to make such a comment is never acceptable. The internet, however, seems to breed it and that, I feel,
In Ireland, also shipping costs, a ruhi book can cost anywhere between 5-8 euros. 8 at the most. Considering other books, that is not too costly, though not as cheap as USD 5 Still not enough to warrant a comment that someone could make money because they might get a percentage on the profits of
Anybody can set up a study circle. We can always refer back to the UHJ letters to bakc that up.
To be a recognised ruhi facillitator, one has to do book 7 and in some countries, Ireland for example, this one cannot do before one has done book 1,2,3,4,6.
but to set up any study circle one which
I am very sensitive when people start throwing doubts on other peoples motives publicly. To me it is slander. And I will continue to say so. And I have nothing against this person Steve. But anybody who makes a slanderous remark will hear something in protest from me. Even if that person is my
I will only comment that what most Bahais call firesides are not firesides in my view at all. And I have noticed that I become less clear in teaching the more I use my own understanding of the faith, and that my words have more impact if i use in a natural way quotes from the writings when I tell
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:51:50 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times,
yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified
persons of His chosen Ones
(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan,
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thanks for your reply Susan.
I have difficulty understanding that a consolidated community would not grow much but that is maybe my take on what consolidation is and what effects it has.
I think any community that has say 50 believers and only 18 are seen regularly, is not a very
Janine and James et al,
Your in danger of falling off your high horses. I never suggested any actual
impropriety, what I asked for was that the Ruhi Institute materials be
placed in the public digital domain, in order to avoid/mitigate any
semblance of impropriety, any possibility of pecuniary
Dear Gilberto
Highly respected correspondent
When I wrote:
Already we see a term
introduced in the first pages of the Sacred Iqan
which would be new to the hearer [particularly] from the
Islamic background.
Baha'u'llah calls the Prophets of God _MANIFESTATIONS of God
in the
Dear janine,
Thanks again for your reply. Talking about Adib Taherzadeh, I would like to
comment that I do admire him. I had an opportunity to meet him during my
pilgrimage in 1996 and I really did enjoy talking with him and listening to
him. In fact I should say that I have met quite a
I never suggested any actual
impropriety, what I asked for was that the Ruhi Institute materials be
placed in the public digital domain, in order to avoid/mitigate any
semblance of impropriety,
The problem Steve, is that I don't think anyone saw any semblance of
impropriety until you suggested
Book 6 gave me a scenario for the subjects which are
most important to be brought up in talking to another
about the bahai faith (I happen to agree with the
importance of the subjects book 6 suggest) and also
gave me a manner, a way of speakign and being with a
person one wants to tell about the
Somehow I cannot see that in New Zealand the books would cost more than
here in Ireland.
Dear Janine,
They do, trust me. Shipping costs to New Zealand are astronimical.
warmest, Susan
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I thought there is Core in the USA. Is that not considered an alternative?
Dear Janine,
The Fundamental Verities portion of the Core Curriculum existed prior to the
Study Circles and was then modified to meet the House's criteria for a basic
sequence of courses. But Ruhi got a head start here
Anybody can set up a study circle. We can always refer back to the UHJ
letters to bakc that up.
Dear Janine,
I know that, but it won't get counted as fulfilling any goals.
So if Ruhi is not working in the USA, and counsellors go around telling
things which are not based in truth, like that Ruhi
I remember when I did book 6, I had a problem with one of the editorial
comments about one of the quotations.
Dear Firouz,
I've had problems this way as well, though I've never done Book 6. But one
Baha'i insisted I wasn't giving firesides right because I wasn't keeping it
simple like Book 6
lol.
This one regularly forgets to review posts before sending.
From: Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: another Freudian slip!
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:19:58 -
Dear James
Faithful
One day, in Palestine, an old Samaritan (or Samarian) and an old Muslim sat
together over tea. The Samarian had recently decided to convert to Judaism;
but would not read anything beyond the Torah; and so could not find a Rabbi
who would help him complete his conversion. The Muslim was born
Yesterday or the day before I mentioned something Abdu'l-Baha wrote about how, if we uphold a decision an assembly makes even when that decision is wrong, through unity truth will shine. Susan remarked she believed that that upholding was only for spiritual assembly members.
I have not yet found
I certainly agree that acting unanimously is a good thing and the providor of many blessings.
I certainly do not act against or disdain any decision made by an administrative body, heck, I serve on such bodies and I know how hard it is sometimes in the consultation and decision process.
I did
Dear Susan,
you are right I have not seen any statistics ;o)
I think a devotional meeting is not passing the prayer book around. I think it is creating a devotional atmosphere. I usually print out some quotes and prayers and try to make it as diverse as possible, with prayers from different
I want to totally make clear that I did not post these quotes to indirectly say: hey if you do not support ruhi you are not acting in accordance with the guidance.
I want to make that very very clear. I posted those quotes because I beleive that truth will arise when we act in accordance with
So, why not ask your NSA directly? Or the UHJ?
You see, I think fundamentalism is the last thing the world needs. It has been overemphasis of one aspect which lead religions into acts unworthy of the religion. I am quite viligant that this should not happen in the Bahai faith. So if I was
Dear people,
My feeling is from being on Bahai lists for many years on the internet, is that people quickly take up an attitude of resignation when faced with something institutions agree on as a line of action and the individual disagrees.
From my study of the writings I have so far concluded
Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified persons of His chosen Ones. How often have they expected His coming, how frequently have they prayed that the breeze of divine mercy might blow, and the
Hello Richard,
The different parameters of your hypothetical examples aren't
completely clear to me. But I'll try to respond. As best as I can.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:13:32 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly
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One day, in Palestine, an old Samaritan (or Samarian) and an old
Besides World Tribunal, Guardian Writings refer to World Parliament too.
Dear Firouz,
This is the explanation which the House gives in its letter of April 27,
1995:
The Administrative Order is certainly the nucleus and pattern of the World
Order of Bahá'u'lláh, but it is in embryonic form, and
Yesterday or the day before I mentioned something Abdu'l-Baha wrote about
how, if we uphold a decision an assembly makes even when that decision is
wrong, through unity truth will shine. Susan remarked she believed that that
upholding was only for spiritual assembly members.
Whoah, Janine you
I think some people are more interested in a small group than others. It
may be that in your area a devotional in a house does not work, but one
cannot know that for certain until at least 4 or 5 people have tried it on a
regular basis.
Dear Janine,
We don't have much choice where I live
So, why not ask your NSA directly? Or the UHJ?
Dear Janine,
I nearly did that recently when I wrote the House regarding another matter.
But a Counsellor wisely advised me against dumping all the gripes I had
collected over the last five years on them that way. ;-}
I stuck to the original
Hi, Susan,
At 04:10 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
Perhaps they could but I don't think Ruhi is really indicative of a movement
in that direction. As one Counsellor told me, Ruhi was designed to get people
doing not believing certain things.
I agree that is the purpose of the institute/study circle
Hi, Susan,
At 07:05 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
The US military study method is pretty far apart from the Vatican's
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It sounds like you are
associating Ruhi rather indiscriminately with everything you don't like. ;-}
What I was doing was expressing a
Janine:
You may be right that you might not be considered qualified to give
childrens classes if you have not done book 3. And that is a perfectly
legitimate decision of any LSA to make.
Dear Janine,
Here I cannot agree with you. There have been and there are excellent
children class teachers who
In a message dated 1/19/2005 10:37:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Janine,Here I cannot agree with you. There have been and there are excellent children class teachers who have been doing a great job. To me it shows stupidity of a decision by an LSA to require all
Dear friends,
I'm trying to get a hold of the email addresses of Marlene Chase, Keven
Brown, Eberhard von Kitzing and Arash Abizadeh. If someone could send them
to me privately I would appreciate it.
warmest, Susan
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:17:17 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly
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R. One day, in Palestine, an old Samaritan (or Samarian) and an old
Muslim sat
together over tea. The Samarian had recently decided to convert to
Judaism;
but would not read anything beyond the Torah;
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:39:18 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
Sorry it has taken so long to respond.
G:
It's ok.
Gilberto:
Christianity does not teach that Jesus is the last prophet. Christianity
does teach that to really get access to God properly you
have to go
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