lections. Because of this, all non- Baha'is would be goberned
at every level by Baha'i Administrative bodies for which they woudl not be
allowed to vote.
Ron
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Ursus Maximus wrote:
> Sen,
>
>
>
> This is a very important subject and I need
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Sen,
This is a very important subject and I need to ask for clarification.
If what you say below were correct, it would relieve a lot of folks and make
the Faith more likely to be able to attract new believers and declarants.
However, and please correct me if I am
hristianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism,
Hinduism, and the native faiths af all peoples are part of the same, one,
true religion.
Ron
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> This is an interesting thread, though a few times it has gotten
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This is an interesting thread, though a few times it has gotten mean, nasty
and insulting, which is a shame. Gilberto, I find your reasoning
reasonable. We should all be able to see that these are theological matters,
and as such are open to interpretation and reasonabl
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Susan,
Thanks again for the information. Sounds like new enrollees are picking up
in the SE USA and that's great!
In New Delhi, indeed I was probably there when nothing was scheduled.
However I could not help but notice how out of date the flyers on the walls
were,
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Susan,
Since I moved our west, I haven't been getting my issue of American Baha'i
(need to update my address). Can you tell me how many monthly declarants it
is reporting now. I'm really curious to know. For the last 15 years or so,
it was running around 100 per month.
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Tim,
I hear this all the time at meetings at the LA Baha'i Center, where we have
Sunday noon meetings for seekers every week. Also, when I attended a huge
rally at the LA Convention Center (remember the regional big special
meetings), about a year ago (two years ago..ti
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Oops,
I mean the last paragraph to say "In the Iqan" not "in teh "Aqdas" so it
should be as follows:
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Ursus Maximus wrote:
> In the Aqdas Baha'u'llah states that He "hath no partner in the
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In the Aqdas Baha'u'llah states that He "hath no partner in the Most Great
Infallibility." He confers a lesser infallibility on the other Central
Figures. They are granted spiritual guidance that will not lead us astray.
Baha'u'llah pointed out in the Iqan that one of
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David,
You have to look at this metaphorically. If you look at it literally, it
makes no sense. Literally, humans and apes evolved from common ancestors.
The concept of "soul" is a metaphor. We say humans have a "soul". "The human
soul" is a metaphor for what makes huma
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A related question or two:
1. Do you think the House of Justice will ever have the alchemical Writings
of Baha'u'llah translated into English and published? Also the same question
concerning the Writings of the Bab?
2. I am thinking that, since the publication of the A
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"Infallibility" does not mean what so many think it means. Of course, the
Guardian did not know when he would die. Of course the House can be
incorrect on details and etc, or else why would the Guardian have had
the option to overrule them? Of course Baha'u'llah did not
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David,
There is no way to explain this. To a believer in literal inerrancy, nothing
can change their mind, they will always rationalize any amount of contrary
evidence. Thus, you can not have a rational discussion with a Christian or
Islamic fundamentalist. God forbid
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Why?
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sen & Sonja wrote:
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>
> The OJBS (online Journal of Bahai Studies) has been shut down, the
> papers removed from the site, and also from the Wayback machine
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.
s. I do not expect to see
> it in my lifetime. I think that Taherzadeh and others are mistaken in
> saying that Abdu'l-Baha states that this will be established in the
> twentieth century. All the texts which say this are pilgrim's notes,
> and can easily be explained by Abdu&#x
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Mark, thanks, your feedback is mot helpful. I think I will start using your
term "plenary inerrancy to refer to what I don't believe in as valid
definition of infallibility. I need a shorthand for a complex concept.
In the interest of brevity, I will not quote the bulk o
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Dear Susan,
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Susan Maneck wrote:
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> > My problem is, it seems to me that most Baha'is including famous ones who
> > speak at Conferences and etc. probably do not find my understanding
> > acceptable. This obv
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Gary,
I am glad you refer to Jesus' explicit statements, as recorded in scripture,
that the end times and His return would happen within the current generation
of His listeners. I was certainly thinking of bringing this up as an example
of how literal understandings of s
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Mark,
This is the first time I've encountered the term "plenary inerrancy'. I
would appreciate it if you would expand on this term and its application to
our Faith. It is important to me.
My problem is that it is apparent to me that what I call
"literal infallibility" o
Susan,
Maybe its like this. In the language of the Baha'i Faith, religious
principles are revealed by a Manifestation. However, from a logical and
scientific point of view, these same principles are humanly constructed. In
reality, nothing revealed by a Manifestation springs forth out of thin air;
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> On 14 Jan 2008 at 6:21, Ursus Maximus wrote:
>
> > For instance, Muhammad and Islam intepreted away the very core of
> > Christian belief, the crucifiction!
>
> I don't think that Muhammad can be blamed for this: the denial of the
> c
Swords-a-flashin' et al,
Indeed, Baha'u'llah also interpreted symbolically many thigns in Christian
scripture that were alwasy previously understood literally by all Christian
communitees. I have littel doubt that many of our Baha'i
Writigns interpreted and understood literally by virtually all Ba
Dear Dr. Maneck,
Sounds like very good advice, I am, going to take it.
Ron
On Jan 5, 2008 9:23 PM, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >But how about
> > \focusing on what really matters in what I am asking...for instance, why
> not
> > reveal in whatever will ultimately become the Univers
Dear Brent,
Thank you very much for this reply. I am meditating upon it and I fidn it
helpful. Thanks sincerely.
ron
On Jan 4, 2008 12:04 PM, Brent Poirier Attorney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Ron, you asked whether Sen's views are "problematic" since they are
> close to your own. I can't app
Susan see my comments:
On Jan 5, 2008 10:02 AM, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The fact that Manifestations clearly chose to do many things, and to not
do
> other things, including reveal many things, in ways that (obviously to me,
> not necessarily to others) could have been done bett
Susan,
Thank you for your response. One point I want to clarify.
Dr. Maneck wrote:
"""What does omnipotence and omniscience have to do with context? In any
case, the Guardian indicated that the Manifestation is omniscient at
will. I think Baha'is have different understandings of what that
Susan,
Thank you very much. I need to study it more, but already the key points in
the section "Women in the Writings of Baha'u'llah" are right on point and
appreciated!
Could I ask for a little exploration of the following excerpt?
""" Perhaps the key issue in this debate revolves around
erstandings,
> the very ones that caused me to declare, are within acceptable norms or not.
> I have no desire to be a Baha'i whose views are contrary to what normative
> Baha'is are striving to achieve."
>
>
> ursus maximus
>
> sorry, it appear that i sent this
Susan wrote:
> I don't think it is necessary for the Baha'i Faith to eliminate all
> other religions. Does that answer your question?
>
> warmest, Susan
>
>
>
I guess so.
Ron
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Dear Susan,
You wrote:
Dear Ron,
>
> You'll need to be a bit more specific about which of Sen's opinions
> you are talking about. My problem with Sen's views largely concerns
> the fact that he so often ignores the authoritative interpretations of
> the Guardian (especially if they are conveyed
Dear Brent,
I am not much interested in monogamy vs polygamy and etc. The portion of
Sen's message that I am very interested in your opinion about is as follows:
First, I don't think that the Writings are the "proof" of the Bahai
Faith, in the way that the Quran is the "proof" for Islam, the
Susan wrote:
> Dear Ron,
>
> You'll need to be a bit more specific about which of Sen's opinions
> you are talking about. My problem with Sen's views largely concerns
> the fact that he so often ignores the authoritative interpretations of
> the Guardian (especially if they are conveyed by his sec
On a personal note, I am moving to the LA area today! I will sorta be
bi-coastal since I maintain my residence in CT but mostly I will be
a my new apartment in Culver City (between Hollywood and Santa
Monica) where I will be able to walk to my (semi-new) primary place of
employment with a manufactu
Sen,
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I will study it.
Every section of your reply is of great interest to me, and I
hope others will comment and discuss all your very thoughtful points. I do
want to comment on the one section I am going to quote here, though: (Please
see my comments and quest
Brent,
Thank you very much. You have pointed me in some interesting directions and
I appreciate it. I will be studying your response.
Ron
On Jan 1, 2008 10:29 AM, Brent Poirier Attorney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I suggest that we may make assumptions about what "Most Holy" means.
> That is, t
Khazeh,
Thank you for your reply. I am studying your words to me.
Ron
On Dec 31, 2007 4:25 PM, khazeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ursus Maximus
> *Sent:* 31 December 2007 20:54
> *
I really need some help understanding and relating to the Kitab-I-Aqdas.
Given that the Kitab-I-Aqdas is our Most Holy Book, I have read the
Kitab-I-Aqdas dozens of times, since I declared ten years ago. I have
studied it for ten years, much more than I have ever studied any book. I
know it practi
test
On Dec 20, 2007 4:13 PM, maidenhairleaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this Thing of His ?
>
> yeah, me too
>
>
>
> --
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
> > Subject: Re: Criticism of One Common Faith
> > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:13:22
I really need some help understanding and relating to the Kitab-I-Aqdas.
Given that the Kitab-I-Aqdas is our Most Holy Book, I have read the
Kitab-I-Aqdas dozens of times, since I declared ten years ago. I have
studied it for ten years, much more than I have ever studied any book. I
know it practi
Berni,
I agree with you.
In particular, I find the first two sentences to be just plain wrong, as in
, contrary to the facts. To clim that religion went form beign ignored to
being on the front burner in 7 short years between i200 and 2007 is absurd.
Every thing compelling about religions importan
Ian,
You are taking my words our of context and deliberately
misrepresenting what I said. it is not possible to have a meaningful
conversation when you do that.
You quoted me and commented :
""
"Wow. I suggest no such thing!"
I disagree: look at your own words about having authoritative int
Ian, see my responses:
On Nov 19, 2007 6:51 PM, Ian Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Ron,
>
> You write,
>
> "But the Baha'i Writings have to be understood. Writings, all by
> themselves, have no meaning, its only when understood by human minds
> and put into action that they have effect."
Ian,
You write
""The only thing that matters is what the Baha'i Writings tell us directly or
by implication, or at least what is compatible with the Writings and does
not contradict them. This is not a matter of personal philosophies."""
But the Baha'i Writings have to be understood. Writings, a
tended
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Ian,
I disagree with you. To me "religious truth is not absolute but
relative" is a most important statement. Your understanding go that
phrase makes it null and of no effect, which is unacceptable to me.
This is symptomatic of a bigger issue. More and more, I find that
many, maybe most, Baha'is
Benjamin,
Agreed.
Ron
On 10/29/07, Benjamin La Framboise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
> On 10/29/07, Ursus Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm well aware of the math, (I have degrees in Math and Physics and a
> > masters in Operations Researc
Susan,
Thanks.
I am curious about one thing you just said, if in Buddhism there is no
"soul", what do they see as being reincarnated? I think Buddhists do
believe in some form of reincarnation, even though it may all be
"illusory" on some basic level?
Ron
On 10/29/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTE
ly informs every time I fly (which is all
the time) I am far more at risk every minute in the air than in my
car.
Ron
On 10/29/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/29/07, Ursus Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Susan,
> >
> > Thanks. Is this
ng, in which reincarnation is not a
central teaching to say the least.
???
Bear with me here, please, and speculate a little. I value your
knowledge and insight into Baha'i theology.
Ron
On 10/29/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/29/07, Ursus Maximus <[EMAIL PROT
Is it possible to be a Baha'i and still believe in any kind of
reincarnation? I am familiar with the Writings of Abdul Baha on the
subject. Still, even if most folks who believe in reincarnation,
believe in a misinterpretation, is it possible to believe in some form
of it?
The information con
Susan,
Thanks. Is this "Zoroastrian" geneology available online or elsewhere?
Ron
On 10/29/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Ron,
>
> When Baha'u'llah was asked for His ancestry He referred them to the
> genealogy which had been drawn up by Mirza Abu'l-Fazl at the request
> of
What do we know about the ancestry of Baha'u'llah?
1. Have any of the Central Figures or Universal House of Justice ever
commented about this?
2. Did He ever comment?
3. Is there any documentary evidence?
4. Does he have any Jewish ancestry?
5.Is He descendded from "the House of David"
6. From the
>
> Please, take special note of """the country of which they now form a
> part""" This should rule out a host of other issues.
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert
>
> Ursus Maximus wrote:
> > Albert, see my replies:
> >
> > On
ey will. Justice will
> be served in the end. For now the 370 million "indigenous peoples" of
> the world have the satisfaction they are recognized in International Law
> as having "Rights". It only took 300 years.
Albert, How do you defien "indigenous peoples&quo
Albert,
P.S. Both of my parents were descended from Native Americans, as well
as from European ancestors. To those of you living in the USA and not
of Indian descent, can I have your houses now, please?
;-))
Ron
On 9/19/07, Ursus Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do not understan
I do not understand what is significant about this. Reading the
extract you quote, Albert, it says that indigenous people (which is an
undefined term, where I live this is fought out in the courts for
decades) have rights over their land and resources. However, where I
live (in the USA) indigenous
Susan,
You wrote
Keep in mind that the Iqan uses the term "Manifestation" much more
broadly than we do. In Shi'ite Islam the Imams were considered
Manifestations."""
So, are you pointing out that the Universal House of Justice has
*elucidated* away Baha'u'llah's statements about Manifestatio
I would like to request prayer for my daughter Rebecca. She is 23
years old and is hospitalized. She has been fighting a serious eating
disorder and depression for 10 years, in and out of many types of
hospitals and treatment centers.
I feel she needs religion but she is not readily amenable to it
Susan,
Hmmm that's interesting. I don't know much about Muslim mindsets.
However, I don't think you will find a very high percentage of
Christian scientists who are fundamentalists. Most scientists who are
Christian have fairly liberal beliefs. At least that's my experience.
Ron
On 7/26/07,
Susan,
You always ask really tough questions.
My thoughts:
1. I think Muslim suicide bombers are acting more out of political
frustration than religous frustration.
2. An Islamic medical doctor who does this probably compartmentalizes
his beliefs. As a physician he believes in the efficacy of
Michael,
I genera;ll;y agree with your points.
On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Ron,
Interesting paper. I have a few comments.
<>
You might want to define what exactly is the "modern" spiritual crisis.
Especially, how it differs from any past ills. Also, you
Note: I have no where else to post this, so here it is. It is
something I wrote just to help keep me sane in a period of great
personal change and chaos. FWIW:
The Post Modern Spiritual Crisis:
The spiritual crisis of the West stems from the divorce of science
from religion. Science is in the as
Thanks, Don, that is very interesting (the happenings in the
communites you describe). I appreciate the inputs.
Ron
On 7/15/07, Don Calkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 1:19 PM -0400 7/15/07, Ursus Maximus wrote:
>
>I realize I am of no importance and thus not much at risk eith
Susan:
On 7/15/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Susan, I am not credible. A question by me to the universal House of
> Justice would have no credibility.
Dear Ron,
Since when do you have to be 'credible' to ask a question? At most you
need to be a bit more articulate and clear. Bu
Susan, Please see my reply:
You wrote:
No, he was publicly criticizing the Marshalls and their supporters.
As for the House commenting on that statement, if you want their
comment on this talk, ask for it.
Susan, I am not credible. A question by me to the universal House of
Justice would have
Susan, please see my brief comments below:
On 7/15/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is no concept of precedents in Baha'i jurisprudence because the
> > House is always free to change laws as they see fit.
>
> ***I guess its not laws I am interested in, but interpretations.**
Susan,
Thanks again for having this discussion with me.
On 7/15/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, Peer is clearly saying that those who mention that the word
> translated as "infallible" means sinlessness, are "And this is a very
> interesting way to try and erode the authority
.
Someone, someone with a lot more credibility than me, should ask the
UHOJ to comment on Peter Khan's quote above. Otherwise, I think they
agree with it.
Ron
On 7/15/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/14/07, Ursus Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do the writ
Susan,
Please see my comments below interpseresed with yours with *** in
front of them. I appreciate your replies.
On 7/15/07, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/14/07, Ursus Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do the written statements of the UHOJ constitute a
Don,
What country was this for, or what geopgraphiocal area, and where do
the figures come from, if you know? I am alwasy interested in
statistics.
Ron
On 7/15/07, Don Calkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 11:21 PM -0400 7/14/07, Ursus Maximus wrote:
>
>This could be one reason
Do the written statements of the UHOJ constitute a growing body of
precedent, and since we believe them to be infallible, does that
growing body of precedent progressively lock them in to a rigid stance
on all subjects? Are future UHOJ always bound by the precedents
established by all the statemen
Susan,
Doesn't the Letter from the House to Sen, that you link to below,
indicate "a completely Baha'i government, executive and legislative".
In all seriousness, so many statements from the UHOJ on this subject
in the last 10 years seem to make this point over and over, don't
they? I am not a s
Comments and questions for both Susan and Sen:
Dr. Maneck wrote:""" don't know of anything in the Writings that would
suggest that the
Executive Branch necessarily has to be Baha'i. It could be a
hereditary king who happens to be Jewish."""
Thank you for this reply, it is very interesting, I had
Susan,
Could you expound upon one paragraph you wrote :
Dr. Maneck wrote:
"""I would argue with that this dual-partite conception of the state
organization resolves some of the apparent contradictions found in Bahá'í
texts without resorting to the an evolutionary concept, which, while
undoubted
Now that Gilberto has been banned, I just want to say one thing.
I believe Gilberrto was completely correct about the capability of a
future Baha'i state to practice warfare. His example of the abrogation
of the right of Baha'i individuals to freely publish without prior
censorship, as was expres
Susan,
Were you able to find or contact Terry Culhane? His book is one of my favorites.
Ron Stephens
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Hello Susan and Hasan,
Dr. Maneck, while I often read a response like yours on the net, it is not completely correct, and because of this, it is misleading. There are *many* fossils already discovered that belonged to primate species that preceded the split between the current living huma
Dr. Maneck quoted me and then remarked:
""">Divine Providence will not allow our community, with its present
> conception of infallibility, to grow further in numbers and//or
> influence,until we correct this problem, I believe.
Is that prophecy infallible? ;-}"""
Dear Dr. Susan Maneck,
Of all
Dean Betts wrote:
"I think Tim Nolan has given a very cogent interpretation of the Master's
words on these two subjects."
I agree with you, Dean. Tim grasps that these passages are symbolic of
spiritual realities, not physical realities.
Ron Stephens
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Firestorm wrote:
"actually that's a fie example of failing to show the Cite.
i been hearing this "the whole Iqan" "alll the Writings of
Baha'u'llah" yadydyydaa for wa longer than i ever wanted to. from
people upholding absolute nonsense, people trying to be reasonable,
and people trying to ru
Dr. Maneck,
You wrote:
"What I find belligerent is your false categorization of the views of
most believer"
Dear Susan,
I said, in my original response to this thread:
"A very common Baha'i attitude is that if one of the Central Figures
wrote something that comes into conflict with scientific
Dear Firestorm,
You asked me to
"show me the cite."
Firestorm, I can "prove" many contradictory things by citing a few
words or a few paragraphs from our Writings; just as Christian
believers in Biblical literalism can prove many contradictory things
by citing a few words or a few paragraphs fr
Dr. Maneck quoted a small fragment on my post as such:
"""I have no interest in debating with anyone who claims that the Central
Figures and the Universal House of Justice have never and will neverbe factually incorrect on anything; any more than I desire to debatesomeone who claims I am a
Firestorm
Huh?
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Tim,
If only everyone had the same understanding that you have, there would
be no problem. But many, if not most, Baha'i's, understanding of
statements by the Central Figures is that They (and the Universal
House of Justice) are infallible, so as to mean that they can't make a
mistake, literally.
David Friedman wrote:
> Why is it that we Baha'is say other religionists beliefs are wrong
> because they conflict with science, yet if proof for some view of ours
> isn't forthcoming we're allowed to say that we expect science in
> future to support our beliefs?
Sadly, David, as some of the resp
Hello Dr. Maneck,
You wrote """> Huh? Where are you getting this from? I think the
system that the House is
> referring to is one where larger communities are divided into Feast areas
> and Feast areas in turn elected delegates who elect the LSA.
In response to my questions:
Ron (myself) asked:
Dr. Maneck,
Thank you for this info about Abbas Amanat. Is he still a Baha'i?
It seems like an awful lot of energy goes towards fighting books.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to let people read and publish freely? It
seems that by treating Baha'is as incapable of reading opposing
viewpoints and mak
Dr. Susan Maneck wrote
"""The two books are Sen McGlinn's *Church and State* and the paperback edition
of Abbas Amanat's Resurrection and Renewal."""
Dr. Maneck, can you tell us any more about these two books, and why
they are causing Kalimat to be disciplined? I have bought many books
from Kalima
Does this mean that in the future, rank and file Baha'is will have no
vote? As I read this, the election of Spiritual Assemblies, and the
subsequent election of National Assemblies and the Universal House of
Justice, will all be held with either appointed leaders or previously
elected leaders, as t
Hello Dr. Maneck,
Did you give your talk to a the ABS meeting, or is it still in the
future? I am still hoping to get an audio recording of the talk.
Ron
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Ron
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> Hello Susan,
>
> It was a very good talk, and I think a lot of people will find it
> interesting. The part I found m
Hello Susan,
It was a very good talk, and I think a lot of people will find it
interesting. The part I found most intriguing was the interaction
between Greek thought and the theology and philosophy of the Abrahamic
religious societies. I have always been in love with St. John's
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Well Dr. Maneck gave a very interesting talk on Firestarter tonight!
;-)) I am glad I was able to "be there".
Ron
On 8/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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hey were mostly abrogated
by later verses (obviously I don't really think so). But Abrogation
worries me. Can someone help me by convincing me that Abrogation is
bogus?
Ron
On 8/7/05, Ursus Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Hello Susan,
Is there any chance you could record a digital copy of your talk? It
sounds interesting, and if it were recorded on an mp3 player (like and
iPod or iRiver etc.) it could be re-used in various ettings. I'd love
to spot it as a podcast on my podcast series, for instance. Even if
you cou
Thank you Khazeh for a beautiful meditation!
Ron Stephens
On 8/1/05, Khazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Thank you Popeye,
Very much.
Ron
On 7/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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