If we were to take this as an accurate statement of a limitation on the
nature and powers of the National and Universal House of Justice, how
would we reconcile this with the Guardian's statement to the US NSA about
the relations that should be maintained between the central
administrative
Dear Brent,
Oridinarily I would agree with you about the weakness of utilizing a
pilgrim's note. But in this case the pilgrim's note in question merely
elucidates what the Will and Testament itself said regarding the the fact
that the legislative powers of the House of Justice were different
Dear Patti,
I must admit I find 'Abdu'l-Baha's view that World War 1 was Armageddon
confusing, in light of the chronology of the Book of Revelation, which I
suppose I find confusing as well. Revelation reads:
16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river
Euphrates; and
Again, I repeat, the House of Justice, whether National or Universal, has
only legislative power and not executive power...
(From words of 'Abdu'l-Bahá in: Star of the West, Vol. VII, No. 15, pp.
138-139)
What is the meaning of executive power within the Baha'i Faith?
--
You are
Blind obedience is when there is no attempt to understand the processes
behind a ruling or a law.
Dear Owen,
The reason I asked is that you indicated that it wasn't blind obedience
because it comes from the love of God. That's not the same as attempting to
understand the processes behind a
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Blind obedience is when there is no attempt to understand the
processes behind a ruling or a law
I'm especially suspicious of George Latimer's pilgrim's notes. I recall
him
asking 'Abdu'l-Baha if WWI was the Battle of Armaggedon. 'Abdu'l-Baha
supposedly answered, Yes, what could be worse!. Well most of us can think
of a lot of things today!
Dear Susan,
I'm not certain that Armageddon
Yes, but, in a decentralised 3 level federal system its not hard
to imagine that
one can have a world level legislative institution whose legal
will is principally
executed/administered by the national units. Likewise the National
legislative
institution
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Susan,
there is a
sense I get that we can't seperate the forces of God'smajor plan
andminor plan.
From the
Universal House of Justice we read that,"We are told by Shoghi Effendi
that two great processes are at work in the world: the great Plan of God,
tumultuous in its
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The believer having the responsibility to obey. As this obedience is
not blind, (as the statements of the Administrative Order by Shoghi
Effendi
You state the Writings bestow the House of Justice with these powers but
what you quote is the House of Justice itself which isn't exactly saying
that at all.
The Writings bestow those powers but often do not use those terms of art.
The House has condensed the descriptions of those powers
I am really not sure what the intent of your post was. My point was
about
the infallibility conferred on the House in all three of these
areas.
Your response does not seem to address that point at all, but rather
addresses the precision of my language in saying that the Writings
bestow
That is, each word of
the Constitution describing a power of the House rests squarely on a verse
in the Writings.
Dear Brent,
Where does it say that?
I am really not sure what the intent of your post was.
Well, as you know I am very persnickety when it comes to things people say
are in the
That is, each word of
the Constitution describing a power of the House rests squarely on a verse
in the Writings.
Dear Brent,
Where does it say that?
In a letter dated 3 June 1997 from the House of Justice. I found it on
Ocean:
There remains the question concerning the authority for
That is, each word of
the Constitution describing a power of the House rests squarely on a
verse
? in the Writings.
}Dear Brent,
}Where does it say that?
This is again stated by the House of Justice in more exalted language, in
the Constitution itself:
The provenance, the authority, the
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Previously David also asked about titles and kingship. It seems that
sovereignty has been confered upon the Houses of Justice. It also seems
that, as with the loss of any Guardianship in the Baha'i Faith,
Dear Brent,
It seems to me that your interpretations tend to go much further than the text itself, often in somewhat subtle ways. For instance, where the House says the 'provisions' of the Constitution are based on the Writings or things from the Guardian you interpret this to mean 'each word'
Yes,
but,in a decentralised 3 level federal system its not hard
to imagine that
one can have a world level legislative institution whose legal will is
principally
executed/administered by the nationalunits. Likewise the National
legislative
institution
executes its will through the
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