[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???

I agree with Bernard. That's nice guitar playing on a strange guitar. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: David van Ooijen Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Angélique Music

--=_NextPart_001_0026_01D3AE8A.C12E4030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just in case somebody is interested in this beautiful instrument: Soprano-Angélique: https://youtu.be/NHxH36gTOxQ

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Dear Jean-Marie, Let me be the first, hoping that your PC opens Fronimo files. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Februar 2018 17:51 An: Mathias Rösel; 'Baroque Lute List' Betreff: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

> And almost nobody so far has made any mention of the very beautiful > Tombeau de Mésangeau in flat tuning which appears in Rés. 6211 (f° 31v-32) Did you notice the slips of the pen for the 3rd course? There are some more lines below, slightly faded, containing music in another tuning, viz.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles

There has been an edition of Jacques Gallot's Petite Serail by Wilfred Foxe. I seem to remember that he wrote that this piece was modelled after a play for the stage where an older man is surrounded by two mistresses of different humours, or something along those lines. Mathias

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles

find this suggestion quite convincing. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Mathias Rösel Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2015 12:28 An: 'Baroque Lute List (E-mail)' Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles There has

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Charpentier

Thank you, Gøran! Best, Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von G. C. Gesendet: Montag, 28. September 2015 22:48 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Charpentier On BBC EMS

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Buxtehude and Pachelbel (better layout?)

Perhaps that was due to a certain notion of what music mainly consists of, viz. pitches, rhythm, metre. Specific fingerings (due to strings and tunings) and resonance (in consequence of the number of courses and their respective tunings) didn't matter. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeaux y lamenti

sí, pero por desgracia en Español Mathias -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:30 AM To: BAROQUE-LUTE Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Tombeaux y lamenti A very

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale

May I weigh in from another angle. Before Wolfgang Emmerich was going to build the angélique for me, we discussed issues of spacing at the bridge, also taking into account the surviving instruments. Mind you, it comprises 17 courses. None of the bridges of my lutes is wider than 14.9 cm, and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Svejk Sonata (ms. Podebrady Jelinik)

Thx for sharing, Arto! Mathias -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Arto Wikla Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:25 PM To: BAROQUE-LUTE; lutelist Net Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Svejk Sonata (ms. Podebrady Jelinik) Hi

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pierre Gaultier in 1720! Old early music?

I do not own a copy of RA-BAn Ms. 236.R - 13769, but the incipits (thx, Bernd!) show hash key signs. The hash key sign, if at all it occurs in baroque lute manuscripts, does not signify long appogiature. but, rather, trills, starting on the main note. Sometimes, it is combined with the comma (see

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lutz Kirchhof about the lute as a romantic instrument

My friend Lutz about the lute as a romantic instrument. Some of his ideas seem pretty far fetched for my taste - but as always when Lutz develops a new idea it's well worth thinking about it. In terms of history, lutes certainly belong to the renaissance and baroque eras and were no

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 'Baroque lute' songs

Dear Martyn, thank you very much for sharing these appetizers to your forthcoming paper about lutes in 18th century Italy. My curiosity has been raised, and I'm eagerly looking forward to reading your paper! Best wishes, Mathias Von: Martyn Hodgson

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 'Baroque lute' songs

There are indeed a few sources for songs accompanied by lute: one such which is readily vailable (tho' 18th century) is Beyer's 1760 setting of some Gellert odes. See this: [1]http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/c/c2/IMSLP204541-PMLP345466-Gel lert.pdf One may reasonably

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 'Baroque lute' songs

Dear Martyn, Thank you for all the information, that concerning the Hasse tablatures in particular. As for the 18th century 8c lutes, I wonder what prevents you from labelling these instruments types of calichone / mandora. Is there any reason for doubts? As for Arabella Hunt, thanks for the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: quote on Denis Gaultier's playing?

Quite right, Bill! Yes, it is interesting that Mary Burwell had 2 varying descriptions of Denis Gaultier's playing! There's a case IMO that either she got some of her teacher's words wrong, or he wasn't as closely acquainted with Vieux Gaultier as he is commonly thought to have been.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Master Thesis: French Baroque Lute Music from 1650-1700

Thank you for sharing, Ralf! – Funny enough, this still is being sold in bookshops for some 50 Euros. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Ralf Bachmann Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 17:10 An:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach and Handel

I juste wanted to let you know that I put up a recording on my website, under the page De Jonge Meesters. It is of a concert I did last of Bach and Handel. The Handel pieces are from the My Lord Danby Ms. And the Bach is my own intabulation of BWV 821, an early work. I think the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's campanella technique

Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the campanella technique better known in baroque guitar music. ... Does

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The rhythm shape of French cadences?

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The rhythm shape of French cadences?

Dear Stewart, I think Leif Karlson is right. French ornaments normally begin with an appoggiatura, … says who? Pierre Gaultier will pass as French, I suppose, and his trills and mordents and what not do not start with an appoggiatura. A baroque trill consists of three elements I'm not

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Unmeasured preludes are like puzzles or enigmas.

And just that solving - perhaps having different solutions that work - is what makes these pieces so interesting. How about these amateurish videos with bad sound quality: http://youtu.be/F5vTcjZGCrc http://youtu.be/uoD1eRm1jWw More polished versions: http://youtu.be/XKMpNMMXgQ0

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Unmeasured preludes are like puzzles or enigmas.

Dear Arto, Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I have always enjoyed your contributions. Unmeasured preludes IMO are not as mysterious or tricky as we've been made believe. And if I may add, certainly not aleatoric. What I'm looking for in a prelude non mesuré, are harmonic cadences first.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

, as it is based both on verse rhythm (speaking) and on dance. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Anthony Hind Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. März 2012 10:52 An: Mathias Rösel; Arto Wikla Cc: baroque-lute

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

Dear Anthony, I do not blame you, and I hope you didn't offense in what I wrote. As for the Pieces de luth LP, I do regret that it was my first encounter with French baroque lute music. When I first listened, I was like, wow, they had jazz in the 17th century. It's so sophisticated, I couldn't

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

mailing-list; Mathias Rösel Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Mathias, Interesting. As said, I don't think any reasonably sized lute is 'wrong': it's more a matter of what might have been generally expected

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

with their melodies. Thank you anyway for Monsieur Dufaut's courante! Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Arto Wikla Gesendet: Samstag, 17. März 2012 19:15 An: Anthony Hind Cc: Mathias Rösel; baroque-lute

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

Dear Martyn, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. I think you confuse it with some other recording. (Old Gautiers Nightinghall?) This one is quite new. [1]www.ramee.org/1104gb.html best regards Bernd To be

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

Dear Anthony Hind! Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI REFLEXE; IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque lute music. After that I was hooked. So was I at the time. All my prejudices were set, and I was sent for a long way. I have enjoyed his

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La belle homicide

From the booklet of Lislevand's CD La belle homicide: The homicide in question is indeed a very sweet one. We recall the words from a Dowland song: to see/to touch/to kiss/to die. This Grace procures the metaphorical death of the late Renaissance: the sublime ecstasy of physical love. In

[BAROQUE-LUTE] My adventure in f-minoRe: a suite Le triste depart

Dear Arto, Please do continue the good battle! Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wikla Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Februar 2012 22:46 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] My adventure

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dubut and Jean Mercure

Ever so charming ...! ROFL Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von howard posner Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 23:59 An: Baroque lute Dmth Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dubut and Jean Mercure For

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

I suppose it is worth mentioning in this context that Cabezon and Henestrosa's keyboard music was for tecla, harpa y vihuela, so keyboard players, harpists and vihuela players were all expected to play from the same notation, which is a form of tablature. Hate to object, but organ tablature

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque lute songs, olim: A=392

Reussner's hundert geistliche etc. are 11 c arrangements of hymns (lutheran?) wich I think would also have been sung by the player or a singer(s). r The salient point in Reusner's arrangements is his breaking and rhythmically shifting the tunes according to the French fashion of solo lute

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music?

There is another, by F. Edgar Gilbert: http://www.amazon.com/Lute-Music-Loss-Golden-Rose/dp/B40OEJ/ref=sr_1_3?i e=UTF8qid=1320505827sr=8-3, it includes ##8-12, 18-22 two suites by Bethune (for a better music sampler, go to http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B0I85T/ref=pd_krex_dp_a).

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music?

And why not go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ang%C3%A9lique_%28instrument%29 Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Stuart Walsh Gesendet: Samstag, 5. November 2011 11:52 An: wikla Cc:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music?

See http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Instrumente/Angelique/Angelique.html Scroll down until Musikquellen (musical sources), 1. Prints, 2. Manuscripts. There are two editions that I'm aware of, with music from these sources in staff notation for the guitar: 1. Adalbert Quadt (ed.):

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Adew Dundee - Scottish Lute Video

I was under the impression that harp implies the 1st course one whole note higher ... ? Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von ar...@student.matnat.uio.no Gesendet: Montag, 24. Oktober 2011 15:42 An: Rob

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Strange Courante by Pinel

Dear Arto, My first impulse was to record a video answer, but that was when I still was reading your mail. Now I've seen and listened to your recording, I think it is impeccable. The number of measures in the first section is weird only if you want to dance. But then, you could cut the last

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss Allemande

How about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xCgGljbrGY ? Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von mathias.roe...@t-online.de Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. September 2011 09:06 An: Baroque Lute Net Betreff:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Beginning Weiss?

Go through the London manuscript. The suites #1 (F, fol. 1), #13 (d, fol. 56v), #19 (d, fol. 91) are good for starters IMO. The suites in F and d in the Dresden ms. aren't more difficult, but they require 13 courses. BTW I'd always save preludes for the last. My twopence Mathias

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hammering on and snapping off

This is not some 20th-century liberal revisionist view of history; it is the way music was taught in the Baroque period. Beyond acquiring the basic disciplines involved in learning to play their instruments, musicians based their choices of which articulations to use upon how tasteful and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hammering on and snapping off

There was an interview with Nigel North in a recent issue of the LSA quarterly (xlv/2, summer 2010), where he referred to those written out final phrases with many flags in English manuscripts around 1600. IIRC he said that the fact that they are written out, doesn't mean you have to hit each note

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hammering on and snapping off

was a phrase in Vieux Gaultier's Tombeau de Mezangeau (bar 2, second third and fourth notes) that is a damn sight easier to play using hammer-on. To my biased ear it sounds more convincing too. That may be due to widespread 20th century recordings of that pavane. In fact I

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hammering on and snapping off

Dear Chris, pls keep trying to get in touch and tell us once you succeed. I should to ask him some questions. Right. We can not assume, however, that the print represents some pseudo- Platonic ultimate version that Gaultier set down for once and for all. (From what we know of 17th century

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La belle / O stelle homicide

Nachricht- Von: Mathias Rösel [mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 11:37 An: baroque-lute mailing-list (baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu) Betreff: Re: La belle / O stelle homicide Dear Grzegorz, Thank you for this bulk of information and for focusing

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Treza and music between Dowland and Weiss

The name was more often spelled Trezza. It's a dance in triple time like the menuet. Occurs frequently e. g. in suites by Schmelzer. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wikla Gesendet: Dienstag, 23.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La belle / O stelle homicide

-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Martyn Hodgson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 12:29 An: baroque-lute mailing-list; Mathias Rösel Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La belle / O stelle homicide Dear Mathias, When you say the lute was tuned in A (Old tuning), I think you may mean

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bouvier

becarré tuning, and Balcarres calls it sharp tuning. If you take into account that not many British manuscripts from the related period have survived, it seems safe to say that this tuning was pretty widespread on the Isle. Mathias Am 24.08.2011 15:53, schrieb Mathias Rösel: In some

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Music for Harpsichord on the lute

Some harpsichord music fits in well on the lute. I've uptubed a little suite in A-minor by Henry Purcell (Z.663): [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5vTcjZGCrc Prelude [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrNLspnRCeg Allemande [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oliUb0bWX-A Courante

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Found a concordance in Mace!

Mace is the only source, though, to relate the flat tuning to these distinct pitches (on the continent, Virginia von Gehema had her lute one tone lower). Must correct myself: Bodleian E 411 has these pitches, two (lute part book, ca. 1660). Mathias To get on or off this list see list

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Found a concordance in Mace!

89.00 2.40 Gut 0.685 0.685 * - *1011al - 2.37 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Christopher Pearcy Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. August 2011 17:28 An: Mathias Rösel Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Found a concordance in Mace!

I'm sure this has has been asked a thousand times, but do you know why g'- e' - c' - a -e - B -AGFEDC is known as the 'flat' tuning? No, I don't because I haven't seen explanations of these distinct English names of the tunings in manuscripts. And I couldn't find explanations of the names in

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The Weyrauch Prelude on Youtube

Period composing would be the term of choice, or so I was informed. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Roman Turovsky [mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2010 01:21 An: peter rauscher Cc: 'BAROQUE-LUTE'; Mathias Rösel Betreff: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: upload

I hope my Courante is slow enough, Mathias... :-) Yes, definitely 8) Jutta said herself that she had performed it quite slowly. And - by the way - nowadays I think and feel that playing is not needed to be an interpretation of the holy scripture of a genius, but just an everyday normal joy; I

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Corrrecting mistakes and mistaking corrections...

Just to let you know what I was talking about, here's a related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haloVV3WxfE Note how slowly the dance is performed, and the dancer takes pairs of measures. Mathias Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de schrieb: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi schrieb

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Corrrecting mistakes and mistaking corrections...

nourishment, resulting in overweight ... 8) Mathias On 13 Oct 2010 09:01 GMT, Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: Just to let you know what I was talking about, here's a related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haloVV3WxfE Note how slowly the dance is performed, and the dancer

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Corrrecting mistakes and mistaking corrections...

wi...@cs.helsinki.fi schrieb: The piece is La Mignonne by F. Dufault. As far as I know, the only source is ms. Barbe, p. 64. .. There are a few interesting mistakes and corrections of mistakes in the ms. and in the CNRS edition: * Second last bar of A section: CNRS has moved

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Blohm

Flourished in Vienna, as you wrote yourself on Feb 6th this year. Not sure what the source of that ascription is, probably Baron. Mathias ziv braha b_...@hotmail.com schrieb: Hello friends, Does anyone has any bibliographical information on our famous Signr. Blohm? I would

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Bayreuth Lute CD

To whom it concerns: http://www.zweitausendeins.de/suche/?ArticleFocus=1ord=-1alpha=1cat=allq=yisrael%20bayreuth (3.99 Euros) -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Duets?

Arto, why not consider the French edition: http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses Volume 29 : 31 duos français du XVIIe siècle, pour luths baroques onze choeurs. Par François-Pierre Goy. Paris 2005. 2 recueils de 35p. Prix : 15 € / 20 € + (FR / 3 €) (EU / 4 €) Hard-core

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning? (fwd)

Roland Hayes rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org schrieb: The list has 50 or so not 100, and it is not easy to find off of the LSA website. Also, there is a suite of tombeau for Lenclos in Rhetorique des Dieux in d minor, and if I recall correctly we only have viel ton pieces by Lenclos! r In his

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning?

pieces in D minor tunings? Mathias From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Mathias Rösel Sent: Mon 4/26/2010 5:00 PM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning? Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com schrieb: In fact, the d-minor tuning (what

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning?

Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl schrieb: One may safely argue that the D minor tuning was in Gaultier's use as early as 1595. is a bit bold. Yes, of course. I wasn't entirely serious with it as you can easily see if you take a step back and consider the whole picture. Ennemond didn't

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning?

that Jacques left France and entered Britain in 1617. In case you stumble upon music ascribed to Gaultier that matches these characteristics, pls let us know. Mathias -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Mathias Rösel Sent

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning?

Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com schrieb: In fact, the d-minor tuning (what came to be known as the accord ordinaire) was around earlier. Thomas Mace writes in 1676 that the d-minor tuning, which although it be (to my knowledge) at least 40 years old; yet it goes under the name

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning?

Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com schrieb: Yes, this manuscript may well be the earliest source of music in d-minor tuning - it is probably amongst the earliest sources at any rate. That said, we're not exactly certain about when it was compiled, and it's datation has been cast

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning?

All textbooks that I'm aware of mention 1638 as the first use of D minor tuning in print. Mathias wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi schrieb: Hey gang, what could be the earliest written or printed use of d-minor tuning? I know the Ballard and P. Gaultier books of 1638, both having some pieces

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Th. A. Arne

Hi y'all, today is the 300. birthday of Thomas Augustine Arne. There are arrangements of some of his songs for the 13c baroque lute in the Augsburg fascicles, also available in the method for the barqoue lute by F. J. Giesbert. Happy anniversary! -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inégalité

-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] En nombre de Mathias Rösel Enviado el: lunes, 22 de febrero de 2010 14:46 Para: Nicolás Valencia CC: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Asunto: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inégalité Nicolás Valencia niva...@gmail.com schrieb: Do you happen to have Quantz statement on inegalite

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inégalité

Reusner's advise to follow the latest fashion in playing inegale can be taken as a clue that this fashion was not yet selfevident in German-speaking countries in the mid-17th century. It is often mentioned that inegale play was particularly French, but I'm not too sure about that. Perhaps, the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: My 1st arr to 11-courseRe: baroque Euro-pop! ;-)

Bravo, Arto! Well done! Mathias wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi schrieb: Dear baroque lutenists, I am new to the d-minor tuning, as you perhaps know, and I made my first try to arrange something to that. First I must say that this tuning seems to fit _excellently_ to the music of the times this

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 13C Baroque Lute for Sale

Wichever type it is, the bass rider or the swan neck will be on the wrong side. Mathias G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com schrieb: Dumb question. Can't you just restring mirrored? Still playable? G. - Original Message - From: Steve Ramey stevera...@sbcglobal.net To:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 13C Baroque Lute for Sale

Yes, it would do so. Giesbert's model has a treble rider. Yet even if it hadn't, the bars under the soundboard wouldn't match. Many baroque lutes still have the old J-bar on the bass side or something to the effect (it's not always a J), most have distinct fan bars on the descant side. I'm not

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Reusner comparison

Nice playing, both recordings! I for one go with the 11c lute. I noticed that you play a bit quicker on it, and I suppose that's not only because you've become more familiar with the piece or the 11c lute is more handy. I think the 13c lute takes a little while for response. Not only because of

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

is the same as with the renaissance lute, as Martin has already noted. Either you have Bb - Eb - Gb, or you have A# - D# - F# on your 1st fret (or you'll need two tastini at least). Mathias --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: I obviously failed to get Kirnberger III

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

, Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? To: chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:34 PM Chris, your work commands

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? To: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de, baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:36 PM I agree with Mathias.  ET works best for d minor tuned lutes. ed At 05:16 PM 12/11/2009, Mathias

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gehema lute book

just a month ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnThfm-uCQ Nice! Hadn't seen it, now you're on my abonnement list. I like your relaxed tempi. Best wishes, Mathias Mathias Rösel wrote: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com schrieb: Mathias Rösel wrote: Dear everybody, playing through

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: String tensions etc. in d-m-lutes, esp. 11c.?

wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi schrieb: 1) What string tensions you use? ca. 2.3-2.5 N Do you use the same throughout? No. Middle courses closer to 2.3, basses closer to 2.5 N Or more to the 2 singles? Yes. Or less to the octaves of the basses? Yes, slightly 2) What string materials you

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: ReusneRe: Hundert geistliche Melodien evangelischer Lieder?

Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi schrieb: PS At last also I have started with an (11-course) baroque lute... ;-) Seems to be a _very_ different animal compared to my vieil accord lutes and theorboes. Good luck, Arto, and I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did when I first made its

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Difference 13c.-11c. vs. 10c.-6c.?

this diversity of styles because of 4 extra strings? Nobody will ever know, I'm afraid. Mathias --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Difference 13c.-11c. vs. 10c.-6c.? To: baroque-lute

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 11c. vs. 12c. vs.13c. bass rider vs. 13(14)c. swan?

How would you compare the 11 course, 12 course, 13 course bass rider lute and 13 (or even 14) course swan neck lute to each other? I wouldn't. - Do you think 13c. bass rider could be an acceptable substitute to 12c. music in accords nouveaux? I do know that at least _one_ 13c. _swan neck_

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no?

Not much to add, all in all, except that with my Hoffman swan-neck, I had to redrill the hole for the 13th course, fundamental, at the bridge, which had been drilled for overwound strings, obviously. Not much work, actually. I am very happy with all-gut, I must say, as the basses don't ring that

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: An original Baroque lute for sale?

Seems it had to be everybody's darling: - twelve courses (6+6 disposition typical for double-headed 12c lutes) - single bass strings like with the arciliuto - swan neck (not 1640, I guess) - rose and soundboard frets suggest 20th century rebuilding - suitcase suggests still another pegbox config

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gaultier chaconne timing

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gaultier chaconne timing

Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk schrieb: Bear in mind that at the time of Old Gautier, the dance was still very much influenced by the original Italian ciaccona My textbooks have it that Spanish poet Torres Naharro was the first to call a peasant's song by the name Chacota in

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: hasse opera arias lute ms.

sometimes used their 13s for continuo even if they said otherwise. r. Did anyone actually say they didn't? Well, yes, or so I seem to remember 8) Although there's sufficient evidence (Fundamenta der Lauten=Musique, Prague; Opera arias by Hasse, Leipzig), some modern authors insist that swan

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: baroque lute song?

Baroque lutes _were_ being used to accompany singers. Weiss wrote in a letter, IIRC, that he quite successfully used a swanneck onstage. On the other hand, baroque lieder, songs and arias were notated in staff notation with thorough bass, so that the accompaniment could be executed on any

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Jacques Bittner and Esaias Reusner Facsimiles

Both are available from www.tree-edition.com Mathias Marcelo F lorenciano Alonso marcelo.alo...@yahoo.com.br schrieb: Hi, lute listers! I am looking for these tabs below: REUSNER, ESAIAS. 1667 - Delitiae testudinis French tab for 11-course Baroque lute.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minuet and Trio

Menuet - trio - menuet seems to be a galant-style thing. I for one would certainly play them at different tempo so as to emphasize their different moods. Mathias David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net schrieb: Dear Wisdom, In the mid-Baroque (specifically Lauffensteiner), when you're playing a

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Nylgut fret strings

Nicolás Valencia niva...@gmail.com schrieb: Could anyone advise me on the best diameters of Nylgut fret strings for a 13-curse baroque lute? Do not use nylgut for frets, use gut. 1st fret 1.1 2nd fret 1.0 3rd fret 0.9 4th+5th 0.8 6th+7th 0.7 8th+9th 0.6 -- Mathias To get on or

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Telemann enquiry

Stephen Stubbs and Paul O'Dette performed some of these duets at Boston Early Music Fest. There are some indications of other instruments in the tablatures, which might suggest that they were intabulated from a score. I seem to remember that Stephen said he had to rewrite some parts as they were

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 11 or 13

David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net schrieb: In some music I've been playing recently (Losy, Lauffensteiner) which was written for 11-c, I'm very glad to have that open B-flat available on my 13-c. It does make life a lot easier. Lauffensteiner's lute assumedly had 12 courses as evidenced by

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 11 or 13

Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com schrieb: It's interesting you say that. I'd be curious to know what you and other people on this list think about the differences (advantages/disadvantages) between rider lutes and swan neck lutes. As far as I can see, the only proper advantage of

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 11 or 13

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: damping of basses

There is an ornament mentioned with Radolt IIRC, called etoufement, which actually is dampening. Mind you, it's an ornament, not dampening in order to avoid unintended fusion of voices. Mathias chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: I don't know whether its a modern practice. Absence of written

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: baroque lute song accompaniments

direction towards on-line resources? I'm not sure how much of this is out there... All good wishes, Benjamin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Viele Grüße Mathias Rösel http

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