[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

The preface to Gallot’s publication states a similar accusation: "Je n’ay pas crû devoir faire l’Orateur pour le justifier, ny pour prévenir la critique. Il n’y à que les bonnes choses qui se l’attirent et les méchantes ne le méritent pas. Je ne prétends pas éviter non plus

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

ndet: Mittwoch, 7. Februar 2018 17:51 >An: Mathias Rösel; 'Baroque Lute List' >Betreff: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier > >Sorry Mathias, but except the opddmistake here and there, I don't see anything >strange about the 3rd course in this piece which I love and play regularly. &

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Dear Jean-Marie, Let me be the first, hoping that your PC opens Fronimo files. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Februar 2018 17:51 An: Mathias Rösel; 'Baroque Lute List' Betreff: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

"SORRY FOR THE TYPO" :-D -- >ooops ! Sorry fothe typo : "except the odd mistake"... >Classical flat tuning here A D g b flat d f, supposing a lute in A... > >Jean-Marie > > >-- > >>Sorry Mathias, but except the opddmistake here and there, I don't see >>anything

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

ooops ! Sorry fothe typo : "except the odd mistake"... Classical flat tuning here A D g b flat d f, supposing a lute in A... Jean-Marie -- >Sorry Mathias, but except the opddmistake here and there, I don't see anything >strange about the 3rd course in this piece which I love and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Sorry Mathias, but except the opddmistake here and there, I don't see anything strange about the 3rd course in this piece which I love and play regularly. It sure could be a transcription from the old tuning. When I have the time, I will try to transcribe it back to old tuning ;-) ! Just to

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

> And almost nobody so far has made any mention of the very beautiful > Tombeau de Mésangeau in flat tuning which appears in Rés. 6211 (f° 31v-32) Did you notice the slips of the pen for the 3rd course? There are some more lines below, slightly faded, containing music in another tuning, viz.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Many thanks Ralf, here's a beginning at least. Speaking of which, wouldn't / couldn't the number of courses of those ~50 vieil ton Gaultier pieces be an indication of authenticity, or are they all 11-course? G. On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de>

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017 16:11 CET, "G. C." schrieb: >But then again, that index seems only to be up to 1999! I'm pretty sure I played from that edition, most likely before mid90, maybe even late 80th. It's an edition of the pieces in old tuning from Basel

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

But then again, that index seems only to be up to 1999! G. On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:00 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: This one gives no hits. Perhaps it was the LSA? [1][2]http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/index-of-tabulature- supplements On Sun,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Thank you nfor these precisions. I take note with satisfaction that you also credit Vieux Gaultier with around 50 pieces in old tuning, which is not nothing ! For the rest, I have also been playing and studying French music in a lot of different sources and all tunings worldwide for over 30

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

This one gives no hits. Perhaps it was the LSA? [1]http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/index-of-tabulature-supplements On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:34 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: That would be great to check out Rob. Some more specific info would help a lot.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

That would be great to check out Rob. Some more specific info would help a lot. Thanks! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

I see! Thanks for clearing that up. So, I imagine not being alone in looking forward to a scholarly collection / edition of those 50 pieces, likely to be by Ennemond Gaultier in the old tuning. Best G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

 It seems you have misunderstood me, or that I haven't expressed myself clearly enough.  I perfectly know that there are more than 50 pieces credited to "Gaultier" (variously spelt), which appear in printed and mostly manuscript sources since 1610 and that, in spite of

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

No Andreas I never suggested that Denis could pass his cousin's pieces as his own. My theory is that Denis could have transposed some of his cousin's pieces into d minor to have them published, acknowledging their authorship, to save them from being transmitted with faults, full

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Hi to all, Interesting point of view from François-Pierre Goy, which doesn't surprise me at all ;-) ! As Goran wrote, there is no place for a "confrontation" or anything of the sort, so let me simply underline what my intimate belief is : there is quie a significant corpus of music in

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Dear François-Pierre, thank you very much for the learned clarification. Now, if I read you correctly, you say there is little hope in finding a substantial number of pieces by Ennemond in vieil ton. This firmly contradicts what Jean-Marie Poirier has said about this only

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

Hi, Â I don't think one can accuse Denis of having "hijacked" or "passed on works by Ennemond as his own". On the contrary, he was careful to distinguish their respective works in the Livre de tablature (for which he took a privilege as early as December 1669

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

:-D !!! > Le 2 déc. 2017 à 20:40, G. C. a écrit : > > So did Denis pass on works of Ennemond as being his own, and not only > transcribing them from vieil tone and getting huge credit from D. A. > Smith 40 years ago for that? > > -- > > > To get on or off this

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

So did Denis pass on works of Ennemond as being his own, and not only transcribing them from vieil tone and getting huge credit from D. A. Smith 40 years ago for that? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

He sure does even though he sort of hijacked a good part of his older cousin’s output ;-) ! Jean-Marie > Le 2 déc. 2017 à 20:19, G. C. a écrit : > > When looking again at D.A. Smith's Weiss thesis of 1977, I look at the > following passage: "Weiss's work unquestionably