[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread Andreas Schlegel 
There is a 15-course lute by 
Jonas Elg. See the paper by Kenneth Sparr:Jonas Elg: An Eighteenth-Century Lute and Violin Maker in 
Stockholm, Sweden, and his 15-course Baroque Lute. Galpin Society Journal LXV 
March 2012, pp. 23-59, 168-172. Also presented as a paper at The American 
Musical Instrument Society, 40th Annual Meeting, The 
Musical Instrument Museum, Phoenix, Arizona May 18-22, 2011. All the best,AndreasAm 13.02.2018 um 16:51 
schrieb spiffys84121 <mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu"; 
class="">spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:   I 
really love 14 course baroque lutes. That low G is heavenly. Ive got   three liuto attiorbatos that are -15- double courses. The 
15th course   can be C,D or E, depending on the key 
you're playin.   At present my very 
favorite of all lutes are liuto attiorbatos with 
  octaves on the basses. And my least favorite lute? An attiorbato 
with   single basses. Seriously-- why, b!
 ut why??   Sterling   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone    Original message 
   From: David Van Edwards <mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk"; class="">da...@vanedwards.co.uk>   Date: 2/13/18 7:52 AM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: baroque-lute <mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"; 
class="">baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>   Cc: 
Luca Manassero <mailto:l...@manassero.net"; 
class="">l...@manassero.net>   Subject: 
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course 
  swan-neck lute  in Leipzing   I forgot that this list doesn't show images 
so here's a link instead   to the monster. Beware!   http://www.vanedwards!
 .co.uk/Hoffmann.htm" class="">http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm   David   At 14:21 + 13/2/18, 
David Van Edwards wrote:--_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"Nothing 
like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233DavidAt 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson 
wrote:    Two 
other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels 
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than 
half   the 
   width (roughly 0.57):    Leipzig 
1716 eleven !
 course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323;   depth    185 
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 
496;   322; 181 
   regards    Martyn 
  __    From: Luca Manassero <mailto:l...@manassero.net"; class="">l...@manassero.net>    To: baroque-lute <mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"; 
class="">baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> 
   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08    Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 
course   swan-neck 
   lute in Leipzing 
 Dear common wisdom, 
 a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig 
Museum   website, 
 planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but 
had to pass on   it, 
 unfortunately) - then one day realized that the 
pictured   Hoffmann  swan-neck lute t!
 hey recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube   video) 
 mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second 
pegbox (2x1,   6x2, 
 6x2). 
 See 
  [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:"; 
class="">http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's 
   the  first 
instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann'   section on  the 
page.  It's a really strange 
instrument with an incredibly deep body 
  (it    must 
 be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).  I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they 
sell 
  ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia"; 
class="">http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia 
   n-h  offmann.html) 
has all the measures about that instrument, but   that    book 
 is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website 
doesn't talk   about 
 string length and date on this lute (I do read 
German and   couldn't 
   find  the infos 
anywhere on the website)  The YouTube 
video on the same page shows a German lutenist   (Sven 
 Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, 
which is of   course  not 
the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as   usual. 
 Anybody out there who has more details about 
it?  Thanks a lot, 
 Luca 
 --    References  1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php"; 
class="">http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 
 2.   [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho"; 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread Matthew Daillie 

Dear David,

Looks like a sagging beer belly to me. What might be the sonic 
justifications for such an unattractive and awkward shape? Do you think 
it's undergone some mindless repair or been subjected to a rare disease?


Best,

Matthew

On 13/02/2018 15:52, David Van Edwards wrote:
I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead 
to the monster. Beware!

http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm

David 





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread David Van Edwards 
   Yes, hence his note inside, alas now lost.

   At 15:25 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:

 Crickey!

 Same end clasp design as the other two though - is it unique to
 Hoffmann do you know?.

 Martyn
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 From: David Van Edwards 
 To: Martyn Hodgson 
 Cc: Luca Manassero ; baroque-lute
 
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course
 swan-neck lute in Leipzing

 [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course sw

 Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233

 David

 At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:

Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half
 the
width (roughly 0.57):
Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323;
 depth
185
Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;  322;
 181
regards
Martyn

 __
From: Luca Manassero 
To: baroque-lute 
Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course
 swan-neck
lute in Leipzing
  Dear common wisdom,
  a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum
 website,
  planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on
 it,
  unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured
 Hoffmann
  swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube
 video)
  mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1,
 6x2,
  6x2).
  See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:
 it's
the
  first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann'
 section on
  the page.
  It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body
 (it
must
  be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
  I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell

 ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-chris
 tia
n-h
  offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but
 that
book
  is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk
 about
  string length and date on this lute (I do read German and
 couldn't
find
  the infos anywhere on the website)
  The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist
 (Sven
  Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of
 course
  not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as
 usual.
  Anybody out there who has more details about it?
  Thanks a lot,
  Luca
  --
References
  1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
  2.

 [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian
 -ho
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson 
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Crickey!  
Same end clasp design as the other two though - is it unique to Hoffmann do you 
know?.
Martyn



  From: David Van Edwards 
 To: Martyn Hodgson  
Cc: Luca Manassero ; baroque-lute 

 Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck 
lute in Leipzing
   
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian 
Hoffmann, 14course swNothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233
David
At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
   Two other well known lutesby Johann Christian in the Brussels
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greaterthan half the
   width (roughly 0.57):
   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;width 323; depth
   185
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):496;  322; 181
   regards
   Martyn
    __

   From: Luca Manassero 
   To: baroque-lute
   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14course swan-neck
   lute in Leipzing
     Dear common wisdom,
     a couple of years ago I stumbled upon theLeipzig Museum website,
     planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition(but had to pass on it,
     unfortunately) - then one day realized thatthe pictured Hoffmann
     swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,says the YouTube video)
     mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at thesecond pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
     6x2).
     See[1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
   the
     first instrument pictured under JohannChristian Hoffmann' section on
     the page.
     It's a really strange instrument with anincredibly deep body (it
   must
     be uneasy to hold, or at least it looksso).
     I'm sure the book about Hoffmann theysell

  ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
   n-h
     offmann.html) has all the measures about thatinstrument, but that
   book
     is really kind of expensive. The Museum'swebsite doesn't talk about
     string length and date on this lute (I doread German and couldn't
   find
     the infos anywhere on the website)
     The YouTube video on the same page shows aGerman lutenist (Sven
     Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-necklute, which is of course
     not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows13 courses, as usual.
     Anybody out there who has more details aboutit?
     Thanks a lot,
     Luca
     --
   References
     1.[3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
     2.
  [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
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Crickey!  Same end clasp design as the other 
two though - is it unique to Hoffmann do you know?.Martyn   From: David Van Edwards 
<da...@vanedwards.co.uk> To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: Luca Manassero 
<l...@manassero.net>; baroque-lute 
<baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21 Subject: [BA!
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Nothing like this monster 
though. Body width 335 Depth 233


David

At 12:21 + 13/2/18,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread Rod Blocksidge 

Crikeee.you could camp in it!

Rod Blocksidge

-Original Message- 
From: David Van Edwards

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:52 PM
To: baroque-lute
Cc: Luca Manassero
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck 
lute in Leipzing


I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead
to the monster. Beware!
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm

David


At 14:21 + 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote:
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Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233


David

At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:

Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the
width (roughly 0.57):
Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; 
depth

185
Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;  322; 181
regards
Martyn
  __

From: Luca Manassero 
To: baroque-lute 
Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course 
swan-neck

lute in Leipzing
  Dear common wisdom,
  a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website,
  planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it,
  unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann
  swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube 
video)

  mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
  6x2).
  See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: 
it's

the
  first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section 
on

  the page.
  It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it
must
  be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
  I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell


([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
n-h
  offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that
book
  is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk 
about

  string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't
find
  the infos anywhere on the website)
  The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven
  Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of 
course

  not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual.
  Anybody out there who has more details about it?
  Thanks a lot,
  Luca
  --
References
  1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
  2.

[4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
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Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233


David

At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
   Two other well known lutes
by Johann Christian in the Brussels
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater
than half the
   width (roughly 0.57):
   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;
width 323; depth
   185
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):
496;  322; 181
   regards
   Martyn

__

   From: Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net>
   To: baroque-lute
<baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian H

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread David Van Edwards 
I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead 
to the monster. Beware!

http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm

David


At 14:21 + 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote:
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Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233


David

At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:

Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the
width (roughly 0.57):
Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth
185
Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;  322; 181
regards
Martyn
  __

From: Luca Manassero 
To: baroque-lute 
Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck
lute in Leipzing
  Dear common wisdom,
  a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website,
  planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it,
  unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann
  swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video)
  mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
  6x2).
  See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
the
  first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on
  the page.
  It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it
must
  be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
  I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell

([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
n-h
  offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that
book
  is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about
  string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't
find
  the infos anywhere on the website)
  The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven
  Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course
  not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual.
  Anybody out there who has more details about it?
  Thanks a lot,
  Luca
  --
References
  1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
  2.
[4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14
course sw
Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233


David

At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
   Two other well known lutes
by Johann Christian in the Brussels
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater
than half the
   width (roughly 0.57):
   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;
width 323; depth
   185
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):
496;  322; 181
   regards
   Martyn

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   From: Luca Manassero 
   To: baroque-lute

   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14
course swan-neck
   lute in Leipzing
 Dear common wisdom,
 a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the
Leipzig Museum website,
 planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition
(but had to pass on it,
 unfortunately) - then one day realized that
the pictured Hoffmann
 swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,
says the YouTube video)
 mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread David Van Edwards 
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Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233


David

At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
>collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the
>width (roughly 0.57):
>Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth
>185
>Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;  322; 181
>regards
>Martyn
>  __
>
>From: Luca Manassero 
>To: baroque-lute 
>Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck
>lute in Leipzing
>  Dear common wisdom,
>  a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website,
>  planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it,
>  unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann
>  swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video)
>  mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
>  6x2).
>  See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
>the
>  first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on
>  the page.
>  It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it
>must
>  be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
>  I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell
>
>([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
>n-h
>  offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that
>book
>  is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about
>  string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't
>find
>  the infos anywhere on the website)
>  The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven
>  Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course
>  not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual.
>  Anybody out there who has more details about it?
>  Thanks a lot,
>  Luca
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>  1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
>  2.
>[4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
>ffmann.html
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14
course sw
Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233


David

At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
   Two other well known lutes
by Johann Christian in the Brussels
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater
than half the
   width (roughly 0.57):
   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;
width 323; depth
   185
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):
496;  322; 181
   regards
   Martyn

__

   From: Luca Manassero 
   To: baroque-lute

   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14
course swan-neck
   lute in Leipzing
 Dear common wisdom,
 a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the
Leipzig Museum website,
 planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition
(but had to pass on it,
 unfortunately) - then one day realized that
the pictured Hoffmann
 swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,
says the YouTube video)
 mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the
second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
 6x2).
 See
[1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
   the
 

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson 
   Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the
   width (roughly 0.57):
   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth
   185
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;  322; 181
   regards
   Martyn
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   From: Luca Manassero 
   To: baroque-lute 
   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck
   lute in Leipzing
 Dear common wisdom,
 a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website,
 planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it,
 unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann
 swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video)
 mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
 6x2).
 See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
   the
 first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on
 the page.
 It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it
   must
 be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
 I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell

   ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
   n-h
 offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that
   book
 is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about
 string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't
   find
 the infos anywhere on the website)
 The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven
 Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course
 not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual.
 Anybody out there who has more details about it?
 Thanks a lot,
 Luca
 --
   References
 1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
 2.
   [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
   ffmann.html
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