[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
There is a 15-course lute by Jonas Elg. See the paper by Kenneth Sparr:Jonas Elg: An Eighteenth-Century Lute and Violin Maker in Stockholm, Sweden, and his 15-course Baroque Lute. Galpin Society Journal LXV March 2012, pp. 23-59, 168-172. Also presented as a paper at The American Musical Instrument Society, 40th Annual Meeting, The Musical Instrument Museum, Phoenix, Arizona May 18-22, 2011. All the best,AndreasAm 13.02.2018 um 16:51 schrieb spiffys84121 <mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu"; class="">spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>: I really love 14 course baroque lutes. That low G is heavenly. Ive got three liuto attiorbatos that are -15- double courses. The 15th course can be C,D or E, depending on the key you're playin. At present my very favorite of all lutes are liuto attiorbatos with octaves on the basses. And my least favorite lute? An attiorbato with single basses. Seriously-- why, b! ut why?? Sterling Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: David Van Edwards <mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk"; class="">da...@vanedwards.co.uk> Date: 2/13/18 7:52 AM (GMT-07:00) To: baroque-lute <mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"; class="">baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Cc: Luca Manassero <mailto:l...@manassero.net"; class="">l...@manassero.net> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead to the monster. Beware! http://www.vanedwards! .co.uk/Hoffmann.htm" class="">http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm David At 14:21 + 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote:--_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233DavidAt 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven ! course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca Manassero <mailto:l...@manassero.net"; class="">l...@manassero.net> To: baroque-lute <mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"; class="">baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute t! hey recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, 6x2). See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:"; class="">http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on the page. It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it must be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so). I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia"; class="">http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia n-h offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that book is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't find the infos anywhere on the website) The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual. Anybody out there who has more details about it? Thanks a lot, Luca -- References 1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php"; class="">http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 2. [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho"; class="">ht! tp://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho ffmann.html To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.da
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
Dear David, Looks like a sagging beer belly to me. What might be the sonic justifications for such an unattractive and awkward shape? Do you think it's undergone some mindless repair or been subjected to a rare disease? Best, Matthew On 13/02/2018 15:52, David Van Edwards wrote: I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead to the monster. Beware! http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
Yes, hence his note inside, alas now lost. At 15:25 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Crickey! Same end clasp design as the other two though - is it unique to Hoffmann do you know?. Martyn ___ From: David Van Edwards To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Luca Manassero ; baroque-lute Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course sw Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca Manassero To: baroque-lute Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, 6x2). See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on the page. It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it must be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so). I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-chris tia n-h offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that book is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't find the infos anywhere on the website) The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual. Anybody out there who has more details about it? Thanks a lot, Luca -- References 1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 2. [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian -ho ffmann.html To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: 2. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h 3. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 4. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho ffmann.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm _campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail Hidden links: 8. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm _campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 9. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L12540-3579TMP.html#DAB4FAD8 -2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk [1] Virus-free. [2]www.avast.com Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:P3AE73E5F.png (PNGf/«IC») (00C8E903) -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk -- References Visible links 1. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 2. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=emai
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
--=_Part_322719_1358101908.1518535524655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crickey!  Same end clasp design as the other two though - is it unique to Hoffmann do you know?. Martyn From: David Van Edwards To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Luca Manassero ; baroque-lute Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14course swNothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:   Two other well known lutesby Johann Christian in the Brussels   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greaterthan half the   width (roughly 0.57):   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;width 323; depth   185   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):496; 322; 181   regards   Martyn     __   From: Luca Manassero   To: baroque-lute   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14course swan-neck   lute in Leipzing     Dear common wisdom,     a couple of years ago I stumbled upon theLeipzig Museum website,     planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition(but had to pass on it,     unfortunately) - then one day realized thatthe pictured Hoffmann     swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,says the YouTube video)     mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at thesecond pegbox (2x1, 6x2,     6x2).     See[1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's   the     first instrument pictured under JohannChristian Hoffmann' section on     the page.     It's a really strange instrument with anincredibly deep body (it   must     be uneasy to hold, or at least it looksso).     I'm sure the book about Hoffmann theysell   ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia   n-h     offmann.html) has all the measures about thatinstrument, but that   book     is really kind of expensive. The Museum'swebsite doesn't talk about     string length and date on this lute (I doread German and couldn't   find     the infos anywhere on the website)     The YouTube video on the same page shows aGerman lutenist (Sven     Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-necklute, which is of course     not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows13 courses, as usual.     Anybody out there who has more details aboutit?     Thanks a lot,     Luca     --   References     1.[3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php     2.   [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho   ffmann.html   To get on or off this list see list information at   [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html   Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com   -- References   Visible links   1.http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:   2.http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h   3.http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php   4.http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.html   5.http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html   6.https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail   Hidden links:   8.https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail   9.file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L12540-3579TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB      England.  Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | --=_Part_322719_1358101908.1518535524655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crickey! Same end clasp design as the other two though - is it unique to Hoffmann do you know?.Martyn From: David Van Edwards <da...@vanedwards.co.uk> To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net>; baroque-lute <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21 Subject: [BA! ROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing <!-- #yiv3015484573 blockquote, #yiv3015484573 dl, #yiv3015484573 ul, #yiv3015484573 ol, #yiv3015484573 li {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;} -->[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course sw Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18,
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
Crikeee.you could camp in it! Rod Blocksidge -Original Message- From: David Van Edwards Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:52 PM To: baroque-lute Cc: Luca Manassero Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead to the monster. Beware! http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm David At 14:21 + 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote: --_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca Manassero To: baroque-lute Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, 6x2). See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on the page. It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it must be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so). I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia n-h offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that book is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't find the infos anywhere on the website) The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual. Anybody out there who has more details about it? Thanks a lot, Luca -- References 1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 2. [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho ffmann.html To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: 2. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h 3. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 4. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail Hidden links: 8. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 9. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L12540-3579TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk --_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } -->[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course sw Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net> To: baroque-lute <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian H
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead to the monster. Beware! http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm David At 14:21 + 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote: --_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca Manassero To: baroque-lute Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, 6x2). See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on the page. It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it must be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so). I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia n-h offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that book is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't find the infos anywhere on the website) The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual. Anybody out there who has more details about it? Thanks a lot, Luca -- References 1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 2. [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho ffmann.html To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: 2. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h 3. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 4. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail Hidden links: 8. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 9. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L12540-3579TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk --_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course sw Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca ManasseroTo: baroque-lute Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
--_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: >Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels >collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the >width (roughly 0.57): >Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth >185 >Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 >regards >Martyn > __ > >From: Luca Manassero >To: baroque-lute >Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 >Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck >lute in Leipzing > Dear common wisdom, > a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, > planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, > unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann > swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) > mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, > 6x2). > See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's >the > first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on > the page. > It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it >must > be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so). > I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell > >([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia >n-h > offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that >book > is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about > string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't >find > the infos anywhere on the website) > The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven > Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course > not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual. > Anybody out there who has more details about it? > Thanks a lot, > Luca > -- >References > 1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php > 2. >[4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho >ffmann.html >To get on or off this list see list information at >[5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com > >-- > >References > >Visible links >1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: >2. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h >3. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php >4. >http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.html >5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >6. >https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > >Hidden links: >8. >https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >9. >file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L12540-3579TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk --_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course sw Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca ManasseroTo: baroque-lute Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, 6x2). See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the width (roughly 0.57): Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth 185 Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496; 322; 181 regards Martyn __ From: Luca Manassero To: baroque-lute Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, 6x2). See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on the page. It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it must be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so). I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia n-h offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that book is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't find the infos anywhere on the website) The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual. Anybody out there who has more details about it? Thanks a lot, Luca -- References 1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 2. [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho ffmann.html To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: 2. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h 3. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 4. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail Hidden links: 8. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 9. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L12540-3579TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2