Brian Keats' article A Perspective on Radionics FieldBroadcasters
Below is Brian's article on Radionics published in the Newsleaf. Brian has sent it to me to forward to BDNow. He also included Hugh's response, but until we get Hugh's permission I will not post it. I guess Hugh must be still away as he has not contributed to this thread yet. A Perspective on Radionics Field Broadcasters - Brian Keats In the world of Biodynamics(BD) there is a gathering momentum in the use of radionics and Field Broadcaster instruments. What are they, how can we understand them, what effects do they have? The premise that everything is vibration with a wave like nature is the basis for research and development into the above mentioned instruments. Definitions, claimed effects and uses Radionic Potentising Devices: Translates substance into a pattern that can be:- 1. copied (e.g. a herb or tinctures energy field can be translated and placed into a separate medicine phial or pilule); 2. projected across near or remote distances; 3. have its frequency (potency) changed. N.B. With the aid of dowsing a geometric pattern card can be made, having specific circles and vector lines added to it, that can represent any substance or thing. This representation can then be used in lieu of a herb, metal, mineral, medicine etc. The devices do not have an external source of power but do have electronic coil based circuitry. Field Broadcasters Usually are built into a section of PVC piping and work on the principles of radionics and can broadcast life forces (like BD preparations) over large acreage with stationary self-induction equipment. Reagents, or their card substitutes, are put into the device with a map of the intended area to be broadcast over and the pipe is activated for a specific time. There is no battery or mains power source needed but they do have electrical components in them and a very small voltage would be generated from the device. This eliminates the considerable effort needed to stir the preparations and spread them out over the land physically. The preparations do not even get used up! If one is using reagent cards, then that could remove the need to make or buy the preparations, or purchase specific minerals and trace elements. Comments A lot of energy has gone into explanations, debates and arguments as to whether and how radionic devices and Field Broadcasters work. From my perspective I think that it is conceivable that they do, or can have, some of the effects claimed. The trend is that we are working with ever more subtle things that do not appear very substantial but nonetheless, the effect of their forces is very far reaching. There is not much physically to mobile phones and they continue to get smaller and have less and less hardware between them. There is an inverse relationship between substance and process - ever less substance and ever more powerful process. The computer chip is another example. Patterns too are known to have their effects psychically and thereby physically. Meditating on a symbol of the cross, a circle or on a mandala are examples. The issues for me rather are:- What is working or ensouling or enspiriting this type of technology? How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease it offers? How do we go forward morally in researching these technologies? Should food or medicine radionically produced be labelled differently? If a radionics device copies a biodynamic preparation onto a Rae Card (pattern represented on a card with circles and vector lines) then we have something that was 3D; accessible to all the senses; metamorphosing; different according to location, season, method of making and people who made it - compared to something 2D, with fixed form and that provides little access for human physical senses. I can well imagine that these technological instruments could simulate something that represents a preparation filled with life. If I compare that which is simulated to the change that takes place when we use the technology of the telephone:- human speech is copied and transmitted - we recognise the speech patterns and can determine the message and who is speaking. The received sound patterns are an image of the real thing but not the real thing itself. The information is there but not the beautiful subtle quality of the reality. Even the sound waves have been changed, many have been dropped off and the rest averaged out. This image, like that in a mirror, can be seductively like, but not the same, as the real thing. I have to ask: What does technology do and what is its price? One could say that the lever began the journey into technology. The lever enables us to do work that we could not do, relying on our bodily strength alone. It makes work easier but there is a price paid for this gain of ease in every machine. In the levers case we have to move the lever a greater distance than the load on the lever actually moves. We might lift
Re: Goodbye from Greg Willis
The occasional pearl hardly worth the muck around in that swamp of paranoia and bile, Lloyd! -Original Message- From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Goodbye from Greg Willis - Original Message - From: Hamilton Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:34 AM Subject: Goodbye from Greg Willis To All, I must bid you all adieu. I am heartened to learn that more and more people are recognizing that Steiner was much more than biodynamics and are incorporating much of what he did into their farming routines. I am positive that if he were here right now, he would be heartened too by this progress. Congatulations to all those who cut into Greg Willis! Ive been away for two weeks and you should all be REAL proud to have got him to quit! A big percentage of the stuff this guy has posted to BDNOW over the years has been at the champagne end of the scale, showing a high degree of spirituality and put here with the best of intent, OK so he's not always Mr Nice Guy and along with the gold comes some soot, but I was looking forward to learning a lot from what he looked like writing in the next few weeks, hoping too for some more of those brilliant three way Greg,Glen,Hugh exchanges, all down the toilet because a few couldnt see past the superflous BS of the advert, put there I'm sure to get things started. Maybe I'm the only one pissed off about this - too bad! I am and here tis! Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Goodbye from Greg Willis
- Original Message - From: ron poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Goodbye from Greg Willis Ron I really think if you sat down and analysed the greg willis posts over the last couple of years youd find a far greater quantity of good than bad, but most on the list would see it the other way, maybe because he challenges the established paradigm? The occasional pearl hardly worth the muck around in that swamp of paranoia and bile, Lloyd! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
- Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi Eric If you need to figure why some of us get peeved at the remarks directed at radionics just take a look at the heading that this thread has run under . -- voodoo, holy cards, and third class relics -- hardly a complimentary way to approach people who are doing their honest best to make the benefits of the biodynamic preparations available as quickly as possible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth, for the Earth's healing. One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever that pushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong. funny! from where I stand most of the religious fervour seems to be directed against the use of radionics and homeopathic remedies, by people rooted in the traditional, - maybe we are all too sensitive? Yes Radionics has its place in the energy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! It must work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The point I am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite well in conjunction with one another as long as both are being used. Dont see many of us actively promoting the idea that this is an either/or situation, I certainly dont. James doesnt, nor Gil nor even Hugh Lovel ( if you pay attention to what he writes and says) find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon line and blast your preps deeply into the ether. blast your preps I find it incredible that anyone with the remotest understanding of radionics or field broadcasting could write this! .In short and vulgar language - its a bloody insult - we use the field broadcaster to administer the preps in a finely balanced and extremely subtle way, its gentle and in most cases much more finely tuned than any use of the raw preps. Yet you write this as if we are some uncouth person bashing nature over the head with a shovel. I dont understand this attitude at all ! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC P.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-) On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Lloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi Eric If you need to figure why some of us get peeved at the remarks directed at radionics just take a look at the heading that this thread has run under . -- voodoo, holy cards, and third class relics -- hardly a complimentary way to approach people who are doing their honest best to make the benefits of the biodynamic preparations available as quickly as possible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth, for the Earth's healing. One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever that pushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong. funny! from where I stand most of the religious fervour seems to be directed against the use of radionics and homeopathic remedies, by people rooted in the traditional, - maybe we are all too sensitive? Yes Radionics has its place in the energy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! It must work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The point I am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite well in conjunction with one another as long as both are being used. Dont see many of us actively promoting the idea that this is an either/or situation, I certainly dont. James doesnt, nor Gil nor even Hugh Lovel ( if you pay attention to what he writes and says) find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon line and blast your preps deeply into the ether. blast your preps I find it incredible that anyone with the remotest understanding of radionics or field broadcasting could write this! .In short and vulgar language - its a bloody insult - we use the field broadcaster to administer the preps in a finely balanced and extremely subtle way, its gentle and in most cases much more finely tuned than any use of the raw preps. Yet you write this as if we are some uncouth person bashing nature over the head with a shovel. I dont understand this attitude at all ! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight I hope you can be a voice of reason for these people. I only pray that the practioners of these energies come to realize some of the mistakes I see that they are making and change the focus of their attention. The only Radionics that they need to practice is that of their Corpus Callosum. PEACE ERIC On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:51 PM, James Hedley wrote: Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz. Which posts do you think push Radionics with an almost religious fervour. As far as I can see most radionic practitioners on this list bend over backwards to try and give both methods equal time. I dont see that anyone on BDnow is trying to take any persons cherished beliefs from them. I personally have always advocated the use of both methods(radionics and BD) As for Radionics not being in the mindset of RS philosophy how would you react to a most fortunate find of a lecture of RS in Holland, in 1918 where he discussed what would happen if we did not take up Sympathetic Vibratory Physics ( as promoted by Keely, Russel and Tesla), whose work provided the theoretical base for the technology which has become known as Radionics and Psychotronics. which would move mankind into a new type of spirituality and save a lot of work. At the present time I only have an abstract of the lecture translated from the Dutch but will try to get the full text. One small part that is pertinent Now for Mankind to reach its spiritual goal it is necessary that these separate occult faculties will not separate humanity in three opposing groups. Because for instance if the West-people only develop their material-mechanical occultism and keep it for themselves, even use it to oppress the other peoples, and hold them in their (economical) power, the West will become soulless, bound to the material side of life on this planet. This was quoted on the problems which RS saw would occur if SPV was not allowed to evolve. Interesting material. Maybe we also need to look at what is likely to happen to mankind if the spiritual impulses developing in other areas of the globe are not allowed to develop. Maybe some of you out there will be able to tell me. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever that pushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong. Radionics deals with non living Earthly forces and Biodynamics deals with living energies (soil bacteria, moon related water levels in the plants ect...) as well as a balancing out of the universal forces contained in the cow horns. Now it may be that the practitioners of Radionics and Cosmic Pipes are healing something very great in 'The Spirit of Gaia' and that would be nearly impossible to argue with! Yes Radionics has its place in the energy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! It must work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The point I am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite well in conjunction with one another as long as both are being used. As has been stated before and this is quite agreeable that with Radionics, if you want to cover a lot of ground, find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon line and blast your preps deeply into the ether. But if you are not dealing with the living forces appropriately you are not going to get very far. Humans can not live on manna from heaven alone. Very simply put you have to deal properly with the living forces of a farm organism as well as the higher spiritual ones. To not concentrate the focus of your attention on a living life and turn your head completely towards the spiritual is to mearly live in a dualistic world which time and again has proven itself not workwe have to take care of both in a monism of mind! We are after all just that little bit between Heaven and Earth! PEACE ERIC ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
The desire to light a fire under Other
Sunday 7/20/03 The Aries MOON Trines Sagittarian PLUTO (in his Inconjunct to Cancer VENUS) at 4:57 AM CDT -5GMT, and Squares VENUS at 8:29 AM. The desire to light a fire under Other is a powerful indication that we need to get moving. Use the Mirror that presents itself, and try seeing what's really and truly there...as opposed to what we tend to think we're seeing. LUNA Trines unaspected Leo JUPITER at 1:30 PM. The gift that emerges is directly proportional to the capacity we have to peel back the layers of judgment and evaluation. Nothing is what we think it is. So much less so for Other human beings. Trust what you know...not what you think. kristo In reading bits and snippets of yesterday's and this mornings posts and getting breakfast on the table for BB guest I 've been wondering at the duality of them. Where are the planets tweaking the II out of our experiences of self in all including Technology. Mirrors seeing I need to pop my own zits! In Love Light Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Eric Myren wrote: The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC Well, if we all went along with that notion, we would still be living in caves, beating each other over the head with the femurs of 'wild' animals, and dragging other tribe females off to expand the gene pool! One wonders if Eric has a Vortex in his back garden! roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 03:25 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC Well, if we all went along with that notion, we would still be living in caves, beating each other over the head with the femurs of 'wild' animals, and dragging other tribe females off to expand the gene pool! One wonders if Eric has a Vortex in his back garden! roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Dear Eric, Lloyd, Graeme, et. al., I consider the Steiner reference to sympathetic vibratory physics as very interesting, especially in the light of evidence that our governments, particularly the US government, have top secret research projects going on along the same lines as radionic and psychotronic research. They heve the budgets, the manpower and the chain of command to do this research and to keep it top secret. They seem to be doing the very things Steiner feared. It is we who are sharing what we know and discover with the world, and countering the dangerous trend of keeping it all secret for narrow, selfish purposes. That is one thing to think about. Another is the fact that we all seem prone to making what we might view in hindsight as mistakes. Hopefully we will all enjoy the fruits of learning from these mistakes, and not just those experimenting with radionics--though working with radionics has brought to light several serious errors in past biodynamic practice, such as frequent and one-sided use of 500 without 501 and without horn clay or some other such unifying, balancing remedy. So I very much support the wish that we who are experimenting with radionics can and will learn from out mistakes. The mistakes are manifold and the learning process is rather slow, though it does seem to be incremental. It is important that we honestly and publicly acknowledge and discuss these mistakes. While it may seem embarassing, it is a sign of egoic maturity when we publically acknowledge our mistakes. You might take a second look at any political figures who do this sort of thing, as it is as much needed as it is rare. Anyway, let us please not fall into such traps as labling radionic preps as not real or invalidating the primary making of preps as unnecessary. Either of these partisan views tends to create divisions. What we need instead is an open forum for sharing what we know--something we can rely upon our governments not to do from time to time and case to case. Regards, Hugh BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight I hope you can be a voice of reason for these people. I only pray that the practioners of these energies come to realize some of the mistakes I see that they are making and change the focus of their attention. The only Radionics that they need to practice is that of their Corpus Callosum. PEACE ERIC On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:51 PM, James Hedley wrote: Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz. Which posts do you think push Radionics with an almost religious fervour. As far as I can see most radionic practitioners on this list bend over backwards to try and give both methods equal time. I dont see that anyone on BDnow is trying to take any persons cherished beliefs from them. I personally have always advocated the use of both methods(radionics and BD) As for Radionics not being in the mindset of RS philosophy how would you react to a most fortunate find of a lecture of RS in Holland, in 1918 where he discussed what would happen if we did not take up Sympathetic Vibratory Physics ( as promoted by Keely, Russel and Tesla), whose work provided the theoretical base for the technology which has become known as Radionics and Psychotronics. which would move mankind into a new type of spirituality and save a lot of work. At the present time I only have an abstract of the lecture translated from the Dutch but will try to get the full text. One small part that is pertinent Now for Mankind to reach its spiritual goal it is necessary that these separate occult faculties will not separate humanity in three opposing groups. Because for instance if the West-people only develop their material-mechanical occultism and keep it for themselves, even use it to oppress the other peoples, and hold them in their (economical) power, the West will become soulless, bound to the material side of life on this planet. This was quoted on the problems which RS saw would occur if SPV was not allowed to evolve. Interesting material. Maybe we also need to look at what is likely to happen to mankind if the spiritual impulses developing in other areas of the globe are not allowed to develop. Maybe some of you out there will be able to tell me. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been
Re: Brian Keats' article A Perspective on Radionics FieldBroadcasters
Dear Graeme, I do not know what response is being referred to here. But I think it would be fine to post it. Hugh BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Brian Keats' article A Perspective on Radionics FieldBroadcasters Below is Brian's article on Radionics published in the Newsleaf. Brian has sent it to me to forward to BDNow. He also included Hugh's response, but until we get Hugh's permission I will not post it. I guess Hugh must be still away as he has not contributed to this thread yet. A Perspective on Radionics Field Broadcasters - Brian Keats In the world of Biodynamics(BD) there is a gathering momentum in the use of radionics and Field Broadcaster instruments. What are they, how can we understand them, what effects do they have? The premise that everything is vibration with a wave like nature is the basis for research and development into the above mentioned instruments. Definitions, claimed effects and uses Radionic Potentising Devices: Translates substance into a pattern that can be:- 1. copied (e.g. a herb or tinctures energy field can be translated and placed into a separate medicine phial or pilule); 2. projected across near or remote distances; 3. have its frequency (potency) changed. N.B. With the aid of dowsing a geometric pattern card can be made, having specific circles and vector lines added to it, that can represent any substance or thing. This representation can then be used in lieu of a herb, metal, mineral, medicine etc. The devices do not have an external source of power but do have electronic coil based circuitry. Field Broadcasters Usually are built into a section of PVC piping and work on the principles of radionics and can broadcast life forces (like BD preparations) over large acreage with stationary self-induction equipment. Reagents, or their card substitutes, are put into the device with a map of the intended area to be broadcast over and the pipe is activated for a specific time. There is no battery or mains power source needed but they do have electrical components in them and a very small voltage would be generated from the device. This eliminates the considerable effort needed to stir the preparations and spread them out over the land physically. The preparations do not even get used up! If one is using reagent cards, then that could remove the need to make or buy the preparations, or purchase specific minerals and trace elements. Comments A lot of energy has gone into explanations, debates and arguments as to whether and how radionic devices and Field Broadcasters work. From my perspective I think that it is conceivable that they do, or can have, some of the effects claimed. The trend is that we are working with ever more subtle things that do not appear very substantial but nonetheless, the effect of their forces is very far reaching. There is not much physically to mobile phones and they continue to get smaller and have less and less hardware between them. There is an inverse relationship between substance and process - ever less substance and ever more powerful process. The computer chip is another example. Patterns too are known to have their effects psychically and thereby physically. Meditating on a symbol of the cross, a circle or on a mandala are examples. The issues for me rather are:- What is working or ensouling or enspiriting this type of technology? How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease it offers? How do we go forward morally in researching these technologies? Should food or medicine radionically produced be labelled differently? If a radionics device copies a biodynamic preparation onto a Rae Card (pattern represented on a card with circles and vector lines) then we have something that was 3D; accessible to all the senses; metamorphosing; different according to location, season, method of making and people who made it - compared to something 2D, with fixed form and that provides little access for human physical senses. I can well imagine that these technological instruments could simulate something that represents a preparation filled with life. If I compare that which is simulated to the change that takes place when we use the technology of the telephone:- human speech is copied and transmitted - we recognise the speech patterns and can determine the message and who is speaking. The received sound patterns are an image of the real thing but not the real thing itself. The information is there but not the beautiful subtle quality of the reality. Even the sound waves have been changed, many have been dropped off and the rest averaged out. This image, like that in a mirror, can be seductively like, but not the
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
- Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.PEACEERICP.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-)Please Eric - read the posts carefully - I write strongly in defence of something that I believe passionately in, have used with careand good intent, and used for the good af all concerned. I put forward a strong defence becausewhat I do has been attacked equally strongly. If I have said some specific thing that offends you I am happy to apologise for that (need to know what it is though). But if you think to make me feel bad by resigning from the list then , no sir, thats a piece of baggage I will not carry, thats your decision alone. I wish you well Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: The desire to light a fire under Other
Subject: The desire to light a fire under Other The desire to light a fire under Other is a powerful indication that we need to get moving. I guess the fact that someone lit one under me first is no excuse eh? Difficult though to keep your focus on high ideals when your bum's alight! Guess I'll have to try harder. Cheers all Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Eric Myren wrote: Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to say Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot? Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling across the landscape like a mini tornado? Ditto a hurricane or tornado? They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: The desire to light a fire under Other
Lloyd Charles wrote: The desire to light a fire under Other is a powerful indication that we need to get moving. I guess the fact that someone lit one under me first is no excuse eh? Difficult though to keep your focus on high ideals when your bum's alight! Guess I'll have to try harder. Nothing wrong with your focus, Lloyd - keep burning! Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Radiaonics and the law of gravity are once again another example of the microcosm macrocosm relationship. If you look directly at the corpus callosum in the human brain their is direct relationships between the vibratory functions of various Radionic practices and the flow of energy in the corpus callosum from the right hemisphere to the left. By concentrating on on the flow you can access Astral levels, Etheric thought, Angelic levels, or any of the said stated levels by Rudolf Stiener that man is a ten fold being. This is the path of ultimate Discipline through which we must remove all fear from the soul or minds of man. The only way to remove this fear is with the Ultimate discipline of Compassion. The other emotions play a big part too :-) They 'The US Air Force' will never find a use for this. Except maybe when it comes to increasing intelligence of the individual or decreasing it for that matter. The only way to travel through space is in our own minds! PEACE ERIC On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Garuda wrote: Dear Eric, Lloyd, Graeme, et. al., I consider the Steiner reference to sympathetic vibratory physics as very interesting, especially in the light of evidence that our governments, particularly the US government, have top secret research projects going on along the same lines as radionic and psychotronic research. They heve the budgets, the manpower and the chain of command to do this research and to keep it top secret. They seem to be doing the very things Steiner feared. It is we who are sharing what we know and discover with the world, and countering the dangerous trend of keeping it all secret for narrow, selfish purposes. That is one thing to think about. Another is the fact that we all seem prone to making what we might view in hindsight as mistakes. Hopefully we will all enjoy the fruits of learning from these mistakes, and not just those experimenting with radionics--though working with radionics has brought to light several serious errors in past biodynamic practice, such as frequent and one-sided use of 500 without 501 and without horn clay or some other such unifying, balancing remedy. So I very much support the wish that we who are experimenting with radionics can and will learn from our mistakes. The mistakes are manifold and the learning process is rather slow, though it does seem to be incremental. It is important that we honestly and publicly acknowledge and discuss these mistakes. While it may seem embarrassing, it is a sign of egoic maturity when we publicly acknowledge our mistakes. You might take a second look at any political figures who do this sort of thing, as it is as much needed as it is rare. Anyway, let us please not fall into such traps as labeling radionic preps as not real or invalidating the primary making of preps as unnecessary. Either of these partisan views tends to create divisions. What we need instead is an open forum for sharing what we know--something we can rely upon our governments not to do from time to time and case to case. Regards, Hugh BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight I hope you can be a voice of reason for these people. I only pray that the practitioners of these energies come to realize some of the mistakes I see that they are making and change the focus of their attention. The only Radionics that they need to practice is that of their Corpus Callosum. PEACE ERIC On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:51 PM, James Hedley wrote: Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz. Which posts do you think push Radionics with an almost religious fervour. As far as I can see most radionic practitioners on this list bend over backwards to try and give both methods equal time. I dont see that anyone on BDnow is trying to take any persons cherished beliefs from them. I personally have always advocated the use of both methods(radionics and BD) As for Radionics not being in the mindset of RS philosophy how would you react to a most fortunate find of a lecture of RS in Holland, in 1918 where he discussed what would happen if we did not take up Sympathetic Vibratory Physics ( as promoted by Keely, Russel and Tesla), whose work provided the theoretical base for the technology which has become known as Radionics and Psychotronics. which would move mankind into a new type of spirituality and save a lot of work. At the present time I only have an abstract of the lecture translated from the Dutch but will try to get the full text. One small part that is pertinent Now for Mankind to reach its spiritual goal it is necessary that these separate
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
The bird has shown its true feathers go snort some white gold and get stuffed you turkey! On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to say Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot? Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling across the landscape like a mini tornado? Ditto a hurricane or tornado? They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Your emails now go into the JUNK folder where they belong. no further correspondence will be entered into. R Eric Myren wrote: The bird has shown its true feathers go snort some white gold and get stuffed you turkey! On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to say Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot? Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling across the landscape like a mini tornado? Ditto a hurricane or tornado? They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow -- Roger Reiki and Seichim Master Energy Healing Dowsing Land Management Consultant Earthcare Environmental Solutions PO Box 2057 Queanbeyan NSW 2620 Australia Ph / Fax: +61 2 6255 3824 Mob: +61 410 469 541 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth-careonline.com ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Hugh's response to Brian Keats' article
Dear Graeme, I do not know what response is being referred to here. But I think it would be fine to post it. Hugh Dear Brian, I quite agree that homeopathic remedies and biodynamic crops produced with the use of radionics should be labeled as such. I don't know how others feel about it, or what the perception of the buying public is. My perception is the radionically prepared medicine is preferable, all other things (such as handling, environmental effects on the medicine under storage and handling, etc.) being equal. I didn't used to think so, but over the years I've become convinced. Likewise the radionically produced BD food has the potential of being preferable, though, of course, farmers vary and so do crops and conditions. I didn't used to believe this either, but the past 10 or 15 years I've learned to accept it. I think that as long as we remain open-minded and don't crusade against what we know too little of we stand a good chance of developing a very keen appreciation of how preferable radionics is. It is wrong to imagine that radionics is lifeless or soulless or that one can avoid self-deception (you put your finger on the spot there!) by taking an amoral or immoral approach. Radionics is maybe 80% dowsing, and how does one avoid self-deception dowsing? For sure, one has to work on integrity. Anyway, organization is the basis of life and when radionics is used to copy, transpose and super-impose organizational patterns it is working with life as far as I'm concerned. I'm always intrigued with the argument that we aren't ready morally for radionics. I see people use heavy tractors and pollutive fuels, electricity and even all the agencies of death in agriculture from methyl bromide on up--and it is accepted that we don't have much moral conflict. Oh, if you're Amish you might have a conflict, but there's a sizable proportion of BD folks who want to use stirring machines and tractor driven spraying and they have no moral conflict, whereas they have one with radionics. Steiner said the most important thing was to get the benefits of our preparations out over the widest possible areas of the entire earth for its healing and the improvement of its produce in every respect. Stirring and spraying has so far proven woefully inadequate in this regard. With radionics much more is being done both inside and outside of the biodynamic movement. I would think biodynamic practitioners might have a moral conflict between the need to get the preps out over the entire earth and the fact that stirring and spraying is a hopeless way to get there. So what next? I should think it a moral imperative to find a successful means. And yet when one raises its potential head it is treated like a moral crisis and given a cold shoulder. Not by everyone, of course, but by some. Actually I might expect such a stance to be taken by those comfortable with their position in regards to status quo. If things change they could lose their ascendancy. That position, of course, is not coming from the moral high ground in the first place. Well, keep up the good work. I expect to be in Queensland at the end of July. Best, Hugh -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Roger wrote: .. is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects ... Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . To me that means actual organic, incarnate, manifest, substance. Not pure spirit or pure energy. Not in the dead mineral world. Not in ethers, as such, but in the world where there are actual living things and sh*t and dirt. That is where we must live on Earth and tread a middle road of above and below, a road of ambiguity and uncertainty. This is not to try to ignore the spirit or the energy (or mathematical laws either) -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Resonant Info wrote: Roger wrote: .. is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects ... Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . To me that means actual organic, incarnate, manifest, substance. Not pure spirit or pure energy. Not in the dead mineral world. Not in ethers, as such, but in the world where there are actual living things and sh*t and dirt. That is where we must live on Earth and tread a middle road of above and below, a road of ambiguity and uncertainty. This is not to try to ignore the spirit or the energy (or mathematical laws either) 'Pure' in the sense of not being made visible by material inherent in the flow or around it. Would you accept 'energy invisible to the naked eye'? -- Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Resonant Info wrote: Roger wrote: .. is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects ... Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . To me that means actual organic, incarnate, manifest, substance. Not pure spirit or pure energy. Not in the dead mineral world. Not in ethers, as such, but in the world where there are actual living things and sh*t and dirt. That is where we must live on Earth and tread a middle road of above and below, a road of ambiguity and uncertainty. This is not to try to ignore the spirit or the energy (or mathematical laws either) There is no matter without spirit and there is no spirit without matter. It is the motto of the Rudolph Steiner Foundation, San Francisco, founded in 1983. Also allegedly from the Hindu Scriptures, refer http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/riddle/riddle1.htm#onelife DUALITY OF SPIRIT AND MATTER Also further down the page under INVOLUTION AND EVOLUTION: When the One Life manifests a portion of itself as a visible Universe, it does so by alternately evolving its two aspects of Matter and Spirit. In the beginning of a cycle of manifestation, Matter is evolved, as there must be a sub-stratum or foundation provided for the higher evolution that is to follow. This is exemplified in the early stages of a planet's existence when Matter dominates the scene and no higher life is discernible. Yet the Ancient Teaching tells us that even in the rock there exists a form of life -- of a very low order, not life as we ordinarily think of it, but still life of a kind. In this case Matter dominates and Spirit is almost completely dormant or involved. This is Evolution of Matter and Involution of Spirit. Think about that '. . even in the rock there exists a form of life . . of a very low order . .' Also refer this page which is about harmonics. http://members.tripod.com/~junojuno2/harmon9.htm You also used the quote on this list back in April :) To find another 38 references type no Spirit without into google.com cheers roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
