Paw Licking

2003-06-06 Thread Dazyr
One of my berner boys age 17 months, started biting his paws when he was about 6 months. I thought it was the Frontline, but started experimenting, and eliminated Chicken and there has been a big improvement. I have learned to read all labels, because sometimes even a dog biscuit called

RE: Help with agression

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi, When Doppo chased after the setter was he being aggressive or sexual? Was there any vocalisation on his part? Studly behaviour on the part of young males is usually a rush in and a jamming of his nose under her flanks or crotch to which a female will object in a few differing ways. A mature

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stupid questions

2003-06-06 Thread marthah 25
I think it is presumptuous of us to assume the questions people ask us about our dogs are stupid. Everyone can not be expected to know about BMDs. They ask because the dogs are striking, and people are curious about them when they see them. There are many things many of us do not know about, let's

Re: stupid questions

2003-06-06 Thread Dreamline Berners
I get alot of questions too about my lil puppy, and about the dogs I had here that were just visiting, and I never got angry or upset about the questions people would ask. Just remember back before you owned for first Berner, or before you really became interested in the breed. Remember you

TTouch Seminar June 28 Alameda, CA

2003-06-06 Thread Karen Heitkamp
There is still space available for the one-day TTouch seminar sponsored by Sierra West BMDC on June 28 in Alameda, California. Go to http://www.sierrawest.org or contact Karen Heitkamp at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested in registration or information. Non-Berners and their owners are

Re: BERNER-L digest 4446

2003-06-06 Thread Krsmith1977
As embarrassed as I am, I had to share this story and problem. Yesterday I came home from work to find my 1 year 2 month old boy berner had chewed up my book I’m currently reading...”So you want to be a dog trainer”. Trust me I’m aware of the irony and please continue reading when you’re done

RE: stupid questions

2003-06-06 Thread Pat Long Paul Dangel
It may just be time for a new Berner-L t-shirt, some of you will remember the two different years we did that, first time with a puppy at the computer, and the second with an adult at the computer. But on the back was: Berner fun FAQs 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog 2. From Bern, not Burma 3.

Re: Venting

2003-06-06 Thread Janice Parky
After walking our two large males through a crowded tourist town, one day, and having it take twice as long as it should, my friend had tee-shirts made up that said, Yes, he is a big dog. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA

RE: Random acts of Destruction

2003-06-06 Thread Pat Long Paul Dangel
Kelli, My Hannibal used to do the exact same thing at Oscar's age. Until we got Vesta. He was so happy to have a buddy - I don't think he ever left her side when we were out. Miss Vesta, however, also had to go through the random acts of wanton destruction phase. Paul got home early one time to

venting

2003-06-06 Thread Andie Reid
Yep. That's why I said it in the first place. It's venting. I never actually SAY these things to people, and I'm always happy to answer questions about my boat boys, but sometimes hearing the same comments and questions DOES get tiresome. Nice to have a place to just snicker a little bit.

Re: stupid questions

2003-06-06 Thread HenochNJ
I don't think anyone intended to be mean-spirited with the venting thread. It CAN be annoying when people who KNOW they are right INSIST on sharing their knowledge, that's all...In my case, it was the person who saw me with my two Bernese and told me he was sure the younger one was a

RE: stupid questions

2003-06-06 Thread Pat Long Paul Dangel
Silly, that was number 5! Hug that Halley for me! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Janice Parky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You forgot my favorite one. 6. Yes, they shed. Berner fun FAQs 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog 2. From Bern, not Burma 3. Girls,

Realities of puppies older Dogs!

2003-06-06 Thread jean cheesman
Hi Rose, She can be a good girl about going outside just that sometimes she likes to roll in it. My first ever Bernese Tinka I inherited at seven or eight years! She was always immaculate except, anywhere near goose and duck shit, she would roll and get it all yukked up around the left ear!!

Re: venting or stupid questions

2003-06-06 Thread DonaLeigh Engstrom
- Original Message - Beverly said: When I say Bernese I try to emphasize the 'bear' - in German e is pronounced a. Right??? Hey I'm from Ga. I had a Swiss woman try to teach me how to properly say Berner Sennehund. She gave up in disgust. Anyway, if I at least give it a german try

Re: BERNER-L digest 4446

2003-06-06 Thread Andie Reid
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Bad Berner - no eating the furniture

2003-06-06 Thread Andie Reid
I hate to say this, but I NEVER trust my dogs if I'm gone longer than half an hour, and we put them in the kitchen, with no dishtowels, dishes, rugs, or anything else they can destruct if they decide they're bored. Almost every time we've left the guys with free roam SOMETHING has gotten

Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott

2003-06-06 Thread Sylvia Katvala
Pat, You are kidding about holding the Specialty in Lancaster County or? Please tell me this is not so. I was saving money to go to the 2005 Specialty, but NOT if it's in Lancaster County. Will not give the millers any of my money. Will email the Suzanne Hostetter, the President of the BMDCA and

Poop eating

2003-06-06 Thread Bernesemoutain2
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RE: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott

2003-06-06 Thread Pat Long Paul Dangel
Sylvia, I'm afraid that I'm not kidding on this one. I wish I were! Thanks for getting your feedback in to the club so quickly, I'm sorry to do this to Suzanne, but the club needs to know BEFORE any decisions become finalized! (Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) And just to clarify, it's not that

Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott

2003-06-06 Thread Sylvia Katvala
Pat, Thanks for clarifying my email. I'm a bit geographic challenged when it comes to the Northeast. Thought the club will host the Specialty in New York State. Please everyone. Let Suzanne know what you think about this. Sorry Suzanne. I'm afraid that I'm not kidding on this one. I wish I

Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture

2003-06-06 Thread Liz Steinweg Crew
It must depend greatly on the dog. We have 2 (a husky-x and a BMD) that we leave alone in the house and we have never had any destruction while we are gone. If the weather is nice, we leave the back slider open, so they can go in and out, but in bad weather they are in. We are not usually gone

Paw Licking

2003-06-06 Thread Linda B DeHarak
I do not think this is the case with your Berner, but just an FYI and something to watch for: We had a large German Shepherd that began licking and chewing on his feet. We thought diet at first. It turned out to be a neurological/spinal problem. The foot licking was the first symptom. Not

Re: BERNER-L digest 4447

2003-06-06 Thread Dmdrube
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Re: stupid questions

2003-06-06 Thread Jill
Re the answer: 6. Yes, they shed. I thought that #5 (below) was the answer to that question: 5. More than you'd ever imagine! Jill Kramer and Benny Baltimore, MD Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Janice Parky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Berner l' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

2005 Specialty

2003-06-06 Thread Claudia Brydon
I'm excited, having heard from a couple of sources that the 2005 Specialty might be within striking distance of my home. I'd love to participate at least in the agility trial but here's the rub. I don't go very far for trials because of time and cost. But it would be much more attractive if the

Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture

2003-06-06 Thread Burlile\\MemoriesBMDs
Our first boy got confined in the kitchen his whole life. I figure for his own safety. Meet Memories Break the Bank Penny . an 8 month old Berner baby that was placed with a perfect couple. Of course they knew all about Berners as they had loved one for years and years before she

Westchester NY Berner Walk Rescheduled

2003-06-06 Thread Imbrich
***The Westchester NY Berner Walk has been rescheduled to Saturday 6/21 at 11am. *** Please join us in the beautiful Rockwood Hall Park section of the Rockefellar State Park Preserve for the first annual Westchester NY Berner Walk. Meet in the park entrance between 10-11am. Please note that

Re: BERNER-L digest 4447

2003-06-06 Thread EKDAL3
Andie My guy is also confined in the kitchen when we go out. We use out kitchen chairs as a barrier and he has never tried to move them or hop over them. Esta Dalsass NJ

Re: BERNER-L digest 4447

2003-06-06 Thread EMahaffie
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Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture

2003-06-06 Thread Eric Seiler
Hi, That story just brings tears to my eyes, so tragic. I have my house doggy proofed. My Orion has free roam while were out, short of a few problematic rooms. I'll be late to somewhere rather than not checking to make sure he'll be safe. Audrey Seiler - Original Message - From:

Puppy Advice from Gelli

2003-06-06 Thread P. Buickerood
Hi All, I'm learning to type so that I could clue in my puppy pals on the Berner-l about my humans and their house. This house has these things called stairs. They are at doorways and they have gates. Stairs go up and down but I'm not allowed to go down and for up I only get to try two steps.

Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture

2003-06-06 Thread Karen Aufdemorte
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Rainbow Bridge Poem

2003-06-06 Thread NewhallK
Hi all. We are the owners of two beautiful berners, and a beautiful = golden. =20 Three years ago, I wrote to the bernerl about the loss of our beautiful = Greta=20 girl and received overwhelming support and w * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF

Lancaster County

2003-06-06 Thread Timothy Forman
Dear Ms. Hostetter, This letter is to inform you that, as a dog lover, I meticulously observe the boycott of Lancaster County PA and all businesses located in it or associated with it. If the BMDCA were to sponsor an event in Lancaster County not only would I boycott it I would also help to mount

Pat Long Photos for Fundraising

2003-06-06 Thread Pat Long Paul Dangel
I will be doing them on a very limited basis in Texas, as soon as I know what day I will be doing them, I will let you know. I will NOT be available for any photos for any reason for any event held in Lancaster County. These photos have raised over $12,000 for the breed over the years, thanks to

How much exercise?

2003-06-06 Thread Patrick Gardella
Our 6 month old Berner, Bombur (named after the lazy dwarf of the Hobbit fame), is pretty wild in the morning till we take him for a walk. We want to make sure that we give him enough exercise. How much is enough?Or how much is too much? The two mile walks we take him on daily (2 one

BYB

2003-06-06 Thread gwebara
I read this in the AKC Gazette from the Shih Tzu column, written by Jo Ann White, and was wondering how others would define BYB (backyard breeders) They never go beyond their own backyard - not for a stud dog, not for learning. Their own male usually sires all their litters, or perhaps the male

safe and sane containment strategies - input?

2003-06-06 Thread The Ortega Family
Hi. I imagine having a dog die of eating something in the house is kind of like having your toddler get run over after bolting into the road. I saw a bunny die if chocolate and steak once - I got there too late to intervene - which was so sad.. Anyway, In planning for a new pup soon and avoid

Lancaster PA boycott

2003-06-06 Thread Wendi Giordano
Pat, Thanks you for bringing this subject to my attention. Not only will we not attend, we will not provide any financial support for trophies or shopping. That this place should even get any acknowledgement as a possible site is unthinkable and I included that in my message as well. W

Re: safe and sane containment strategies - input?

2003-06-06 Thread Andie Reid
My experience below - not necesssarily everyone's - dogs are as differrent as people. The Ortega Family wrote: I was just wondering whether a baby gate will do it, and for how long, for kitchen confinement, or whether I have to create a higher barrier. Some baby gates are the wooden expanding

Destructiveness

2003-06-06 Thread Mary-Ann Bowman
I have the Queen of Destruction at my house, as many can attest. Emma, age 9, has destroyed more things than I can list including my son's bedroom door, two gates, numerous crates and so on. Merely chewing the edges of stairs, window sills, and baseboard are some of her more mild activities. She

Re: Babies Berners!!

2003-06-06 Thread Bernerhugs
Hi Karyn any other pregnant Lers!! I have 3 BMD's and had my first human baby 15 months ago. I too was concerned, and did a few things that the article suggested. I especially thought that greeting the dogs w/out the baby upon arriving home from the hospital worked very well. I let my husband

Re: Help with agression

2003-06-06 Thread Simone G de Lima
Thanks Rose, Thanks Eileen Last night, one more nice long walk, came home with everyone happy and relaxed and then, all of a sudden he was at her again. (I was getting dishes into the dishwasher and noticed I had one to my right and one to my left, and was thinking how peaceful they looked. : (

BERNER ITEMS ON E-BAY (Beneifts BARC)

2003-06-06 Thread Nancy Melone
BARC BENEFIT ON E-BAY Amy Kessler (who is out of town) has asked me to post the following links to Berner items that are being sold on e-bay as a fund raiser for BARC. These funds help BARC cover veterinary and fostering expenses. Lots of goodies of all types to buy. Check it out. Links below.

RE: BERNER-L digest 4447

2003-06-06 Thread Jennifer Burgess
Just a quick note to everyone in the Berner world responsible for the great presence (which communicated the RIGHT messages) in the new Dog Fancy. The advertising was very effective and hopefully will cause anyone who's now all abuzz about our beautiful Berners to think twice and do their

USDA's APHIS - Latest Release of Info

2003-06-06 Thread Esther Wilson
Post from Esther Wilson / Lavina, Montana: Following is a newest release by APHIS. I hope anyone who criticizes the USDA will read this. Yes, more could be done, but its nice to learn they're actively working at something constructive about commercial breeders. APHIS: USDA's Animal Plant Health

10 questions

2003-06-06 Thread Sandy Olson
Sorry to be so obtuse but what are the questions that were printed on the T shirt and can we get anymore of those shirts? I saw the questions on the list long ago but due to old age and senility cannot remember them. I just know they were really funny! Does someone out there have the

Old Dog in Rescue

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi, A number of people have asked me about the nine and half year old male Berner that was surrendered to a Rescue for Purebreds in Quebec. I was in contact several times with the kind lady who runs this organisation from her home. She had had details about him that she put on her site before he

RE: Paw Licking

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi, German Shephards are known for having Spinal Muscular Atrophy. I knew of a top performance Golden Retreiver who licked her legs raw. It was a neurotic behaviour, she was so overtrained I doubt this bitch could toilet without being commanded. If a dog is licking the paws excessively the

Re: Paw Licking

2003-06-06 Thread RobinHamme
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New Release - BMDCA Info Series: BMDs Rescue

2003-06-06 Thread berner1
There is a new Information Bulletin on the BMDCA website, be sure to take a look at it: www.bmdca.org And take a look at all the others while you are there! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over

RE: Puppy eatting Baseboard

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Karen, Patience is the best solution. At six months her teeth may all be in but there are still some major growth changes going on in her jaw and skull. Also it might be prudent to have your vet examine her bite and see if everything is fitting nicely and not causing discomfort. Check the roof

after all that...

2003-06-06 Thread Andie Reid
So after my lengthy email about putting the dogs in the kitchen, I went to the gym this morning and the boys were here with their dad. He decided to run an errand and I guess he figured they'd be OK for the short bit of time until I was back from the gym. So I walked in to be greeted by two

I stand corrected!

2003-06-06 Thread Andie Reid
My husband just informed me that the hole in the rug was there before he left and was damp! Ah h! Someone went a-chewing while not under dad's watchful eye! That makes them even WORSE dogs. Maybe I should beat them more often. (Come on, people, you KNOW I'm kidding.)

RE: safe and sane containment strategies - input?

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi, Do not use the expandable wooden baby gates, these are now illegal in Canada as children can fall and choke on them, puppies can get their front legs caught on them and their heads stuck in the holes. Fisher-Price make a good gate and I've used these for years. Rose

RE: Lancaster PA boycott

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Pat, Could you please tell us what effect this boycott is supposed to have. If its a question of taxes why not boycott the whole state? Rose

Request for Input - BMDCA Info Sheet Re: Understanding Pedigrees

2003-06-06 Thread RobinHamme
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Gates

2003-06-06 Thread Raymond Burgett
We have more BABY gates now than we did when the kids were little. We like the large wooden ones that slide to increase the size. We have two lower ones ( 22)that are easy to step over and one that is 32. What is really funny is our 5 year old and the 1 1/2 year old we have clear the tall one with

take me off the list until June 16th

2003-06-06 Thread Sanaa Nelson
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RE: Liesl

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Bev, I'd just take things nice and slowly, as her comfort levels increase then add a little more experience for her. My old boy Caruso never cared for my attempts to make him like the world, he was his happiest going for van rides peering out at the world from the tinted windows, loved his

Fwd: Re: safe and sane containment strategies - input?

2003-06-06 Thread HenochNJ
---BeginMessage--- I vote for a big wire crate over a room or section of the house for reasonable-length periods of confinement. A crate is always ready for the pup (no last-minute puppy proofing required), it's stuffed-Kong or other chew-item friendly (you might not want food on your rugs or

RE: safe and sane containment strategies - input?

2003-06-06 Thread HenochNJ
One more word on fencing...I have 4ft chain link fencing and no dog has tried to go over it, but the first day I got Titan (who at 9 mos. was already 100+ pounds) he pushed against it and went right through the bottom to visit the neighbor's dog (chain link has a lot more give than you'd

Fw: My Berner

2003-06-06 Thread Hugh Hayes
Hi All- This one's out of my league. Can someone give this lady a hand? Thanks much. Hugh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: My Berner I could sure use some health advice on my berner, She was taken to

RE: Lancaster PA boycott

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Pat, Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand the motive behind the ban:-) Rose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 6, 2003 6:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Lancaster PA boycott - Original

Re: Request for Input - BMDCA Info Sheet Re: Understanding Pedigrees

2003-06-06 Thread berner1
reposted in plain text for Robin. Read up people, I know you have questions and input about this one - I'll dig up some of the old digest posts about the registry information that some of you have done, anything else you've posted that you think might help, let me know and I'll try to find it

Lancaster Ban

2003-06-06 Thread KahlanRule
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Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA

2003-06-06 Thread gwebara
I have attended every BMDCA national specialty since my first in 1990. That is 13 specialties to date with next year being 14. It will be with great sadness that I stay home in 2005 should the BMDCA decide to have it's specialty in a county being boycotted for its inhumane treatment of not just

Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA

2003-06-06 Thread THOMAS SLIDER
If only one small voice would have any effect. But I feel it is like throwing a stone in a lake and the rings keep multipying until the whole pool is affected! I will always support the puppy mill issues and the anti-mistreatment of animals. They (the animals) are gifts from above and it up to us

Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA

2003-06-06 Thread THOMAS SLIDER
If only one small voice would have any effect. But I feel it is like throwing a stone in a lake and the rings keep multipying until the whole pool is affected! I will always support the puppy mill issues and the anti-mistreatment of animals. They (the animals) are gifts from above and it up to us

Re: Babies Berners

2003-06-06 Thread Karen Heitkamp
I agree with lots of Rose's suggestions and observations. We have two children, 2 1/2 years and 5 months. Our berner, Boris (now 7), has been great with both children. We followed some of the suggestions from the experts and mostly just listened to our own common sense (you'll find out that

Fwd: Virus Alert Notification - Update your virus definitions.

2003-06-06 Thread Liz Bradbury
Hopefully this warning comes before anyone is hit... tho my Norton Antivirus and ZoneAlarm firewall have stopped at least 4 infected messages over the past few days, including 2 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be safe! Liz Bradbury in Scotland, with Roxie the bouncing Berner; Newfs Toby and Maggie; the 6

RE: Containment issues

2003-06-06 Thread tami winner
I have been reading about all of the ways that people are confining their berners while they are not at home. I guess I must be one of the lucky ones. I have never confined Tulie while she was home alone. Tulie is now nine, and although she goes most places with me, there are times that I do

Re: crossing the border

2003-06-06 Thread steeles
We just returned from Canada, too, after the BMDCC/BMDCO Specialty in Ottawa. We have never, in our 30 years of border crossings had the following: Canada: Wanted IDs from us and Health Certificates and/or Rabies proof for the dogs. US: Wanted photo IDs of us, Health Certs and/or Rabies proof

Re: crossing the border

2003-06-06 Thread carolburke5
Wanting to see ID for the humans is more than understandable these days whether it be Canada or US. Better safe than sorry. When we flew up to Montreal to go to the Specialty in Ottawa, Air Canada checked everything carefully here at this end. They checked health certificate, rabies

Re: crossing the border

2003-06-06 Thread steeles
Yes, these days are different. When we crossed the border, both to and from, it was Code Orange for terrorist alert. It was dropped down to Yellow when we got back. sara Wanting to see ID for the humans is more than understandable these days whether it be Canada or US. Better safe than

Re: crossing the border

2003-06-06 Thread gwebara
On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0700 Swisskiss BMD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone if you are crossing the border from Canada to the US and you are bringing dog food make sure it is in the original bag with the ingredients on it The recent problem with Mad Cow disease in Canada

Collars for Berners

2003-06-06 Thread Terry Cathy Bering
Has there been a definitive conclusion of what collars are best to use with Berners? I have switched from a prong collar to a buckle collar. Our berner girl of 9 months doesn't seem to mind pulling on the leash with either one. My wife swears by the prong collar and I refuse to put her on it. Any

!! Happy 10th Birthday !!

2003-06-06 Thread Susan Downing-Thompson
Our boy Kaiser, DeGrasso's Kaiser v Legacy, will be 10 years old on Sunday, June 8th. Born June 8th, 1993. He, of course, is the sweetest berner I know. He's taught me show much including how to work with a draft dog (earning his NDD at the ripe old age of seven in a draft test he flew to

Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott

2003-06-06 Thread steeles
Thank you, Tom sara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would they suggest this site? Are there so few sites in that area of the country that this is the only place to have a show? The short answer is yes. It is amazingly difficult to find a good specialty show site in the east (and probably

Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott

2003-06-06 Thread gwebara
Thanks for the explanation. While I'm sure my presence won't be missed I think it's too bad that as usual the BMDCA has shown that the show is more important than the dog Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:14:38 -0400 Tom Jaskiewicz

Re: SOME FACTS on lancaster puppy mills/boycott

2003-06-06 Thread gwebara
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RE: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott

2003-06-06 Thread Pat Long Paul Dangel
Tom, I'm sorry, I didn't realize! The 2005 people just got the information about the Specialty? Or have they had longer than 2 years? Didn't they realize a year ago or more that they were doing this? Wasn't that 3 years, or is my math really rusty? Couldn't we have used a site that we had used

Re: SOME FACTS on lancaster puppy mills/boycott

2003-06-06 Thread gwebara
Below are some links to what is going on in Lancaster County. While some city and government officials may not see it as a problem others may view it differently http://www.hua.org/Prisoners/Lancastercounty.html http://www.goodsamaritanpetcenter.net/animalsmills.htm

RE: (no subject)

2003-06-06 Thread Pat Long Paul Dangel
Posted in plain text for Sherry: ! have been awake pretty much since Wednesday morning but I had to post this.. I am so proud of my girl Macy..aka... Santera's Evening Masquerade.. Macy freewhelped 18 beautiful Berner babies yesterday. 9 males and 9 females.  She began her labor at about 5:30

RE: safe and sane containment strategies - input?

2003-06-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi, Oh yes Berners can jump four feet:-) I have a five foot chain link and a friend's bitch popped over that with no problem. I have a bitch who was staying at a friend's and she liberated herself over a four foot fence gave the poor woman a nervous breakdown, sent me into orbit and just as I was