Re: [Bf-committers] blender as ui for game engine

reitag, 22. Januar 2016 um 21:13 Uhr > Von: "Ton Roosendaal" <t...@blender.org> > An: "bf-blender developers" <bf-committers@blender.org> > Betreff: Re: [Bf-committers] blender as ui for game engine > Hi, > >> During Blender conference 2015

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lender, I would consider this rationale for > not having a plugin system debatable at best. > > -- Kai > > P.S.: I don't like watermarks on art either though. > > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Januar 2016 um 21:13 Uhr >> Von: "Ton Roosendaal" <t.

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nal source on how to use Blender out there, behind a paywall, but > > that's another story. While I understand all the difficulties associated > with > > financing a stable development of Blender, I would consider this > rationale for > > not having a plugin system debatable

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My 2 cents: "The blender C core code is riddled with these comments and hacks and it needs lots and lots of refactoring” I worked (and still work) in many proprietary SW projects mostly for consumer market devices as well as for Aero-Space industry. When implementing protocols or components

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Guys I am not going to bring this to some secret discussion, I posted it on the public list so that everyone who does have an opinion could chime in. I am coming at this from a slightly different point of view. Blender is great at doing what it does, which is a modeling tool. I do not want to

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On 2016-01-23 10:13, Owen Hogarth II wrote: [snip] > I also do not want to fork the project and go through all that mess. > What I > want is something that allows blender to be used to model a scene and > pressing a button and instead of launching BGE or the renderer > blender > sends that data

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I think that gamekit link was posted before, I've run across it before but that still misses the point. It's an external tool that's duplicating a lot of the work that blender already does. It is a pretty nice piece of software though but that skill could be used to refactor the internals of

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Hi, Join our irc channel if you want to become a Blender developer and need help understanding parts of code. Goes more efficient. Log your experience and write a how-I-got-in-blender code doc. -Ton- Ton Roosendaal - t...@blender.org

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Ton two exit functions, what what? What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that if you run blender in headless mode without a UI you have to call one exit function and blender with UI needs a separate exit function to work properly? If so why is that the case? If not can you

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Wow, that looks sophisticated (i.e. interesting). Thanks for sharing! On 23/01/16 14:12, Arnaud Loonstra wrote: > > I haven't seen this in this discussion but are you familiar with the > GameKit project? > It has two approaches to loading the blender data: >

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Hi, For those who wonder: Originally we wanted two exit() calls. The function WM_exit() is for the case the UI was running. In practice we found that the new WM code still handles the case of exiting without UI well. Very nice! Anyone who can't get over issues like this, is not fit to do any

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On 2016-01-23 15:20, Owen Hogarth II wrote: > I think that gamekit link was posted before, I've run across it > before but > that still misses the point. It's an external tool that's duplicating > a lot > of the work that blender already does. It is a pretty nice piece of > software though but

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Arnaud Loonstra wrote: > On 2016-01-23 15:20, Owen Hogarth II wrote: >> I think that gamekit link was posted before, I've run across it >> before but >> that still misses the point. It's an external tool that's duplicating >> a lot >> of the

Re: [Bf-committers] blender as ui for game engine

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Owen Hogarth II wrote: > I think that gamekit link was posted before, I've run across it before but > that still misses the point. It's an external tool that's duplicating a lot > of the work that blender already does. It is a pretty nice

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Hi, > During Blender conference 2015, the question was raised why blender did not > support these ideas or projects, Mr Roosendaals' reply was: "if you want > that, you will just have to create your own community" (I am paraphrasing > here, but it is essentially what he said) Well obviously

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How I love this discussion, you (may) know me. Allow me to again write you too many lines for people not to have time to read ;) >> What part of Blender's C core is neglected exactly? How funny you are asking. have you ever looked at the creator.c file, the first and most basic file from

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I you want a C++ library to read/write blender file: https://github.com/gamekit-developers/gamekit/tree/master/Tools/FileTools I can scan header (.h) files, like Blender DNA files to update the file definition or create your own file format. 2016-01-22 4:49 GMT-02:00 Campbell Barton

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When I said the blender code is neglected I was referring to the low level code but maybe that's too strong of a word. There are things there that could use some refactoring. As far as expecting the code to be mainlined, the process would be no different than other blender tasks. Make the

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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 5:49 AM, hewi jupama wrote: > How I love this discussion, you (may) know me. > > Allow me to again write you too many lines for people not to have time to > read ;) > >>> What part of Blender's C core is neglected exactly? > > How funny you are asking.

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How long ago was that email sent and where is the code now? Best, Owen On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Jacob Merrill wrote: > actually I found the email I was digging at, it appears he got it working? > > Hello There! > > > As some of you know, I've implemented a

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This: http://homac.cakelab.org/projects/JavaBlend/spec.html#GeneratingCode The utilities package is slightly more version dependent than the facade classes. That means, the code generator may generate an incompatible utilities package in future versions of Blender while the facade classes will

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http://homac.cakelab.org/projects/JavaBlend/ but I did not dig for a git etc. On Jan 21, 2016 1:07 AM, "Owen Hogarth II" wrote: > How long ago was that email sent and where is the code now? > > Best, > Owen > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Jacob Merrill

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I don't know if this is what your looking for https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/add+on+java/1513f8f84cc1e25d On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Jacob Merrill wrote: > I am not sure how the android blender players of the past handled it, > but I know they were

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Some people will get angry, but I think step 1 here is actually turning the game engine (BGE) into a addon, and exposing all the same data that the game engine needs to run to any engine, this could actually speed development of the game engine, as you could download a addon version and try it

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Jacob that's usually where it all ends up, stalled. They are trying to write a java parser for the python code when in all actuality if the core of blender was reorganized a bit, there would be no need for these types of things. c is universal, blender is built on c and for ease of use the blender

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actually I found the email I was digging at, it appears he got it working? Hello There! As some of you know, I've implemented a toolkit, consisting of a code generator and a runtime I/O module to map the full Blender DNA to Java classes and allow reading and writing of files (cf. [1]). All

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I am not sure about that, you'd have to talk to the guys developing the BGE, the code for the BGE is pretty close to blender, a lot of duplicated code that still doesn't tackle the root issue. How will you get people who want to play your games built with blender to install python? Can you run

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I am not sure how the android blender players of the past handled it, but I know they were not 100% functional anyway, I did notice a email from ton about a Java backbone thing for addons, I will dig. ___ Bf-committers mailing list

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Dear Gentlemen! Wait - Java .Blend? I have to intervene! > has the same issues that I described earlier, maintainability. He > understand's blenders internals pretty well but he kinda misses the point. > He wrote this external library that he has to maintain. The "generated" library cannot

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Yes, I can! :D 1. I like coding. 2. I was looking for a library which reads .blend in Java without crashing, provides access to materials, animations, lighting etc. and has no dependencies on other libraries/game engines. 3. I was naive enough to think that it will be an easy task.

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Owen Hogarth II wrote: > Before learning c I was most productive with java so I can understand also > my second platform after linux is android which mainly uses java. > > How much easier would it have been to just define a JNI interface to >

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Before learning c I was most productive with java so I can understand also my second platform after linux is android which mainly uses java. How much easier would it have been to just define a JNI interface to blender's c DNA/ RNA data structures and deal with those exclusively instead of

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I'm game. Pardon the pun. It wasn't intentional but it is humorous. On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Owen Hogarth II wrote: > Hi guys > > I initially spoke with ideasman on irc about 8-12 months ago about this > idea and I wanted to message this list to see if I could get

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Blender is a massive code base and you've seen a lot of writing your java .Blend library. I am interested in implementing it, it's more a refactoring of the core blender c library which seems to put a lot of devs off, although I do understand that code base is massive. I am going to do this

[Bf-committers] blender as ui for game engine

Hi guys I initially spoke with ideasman on irc about 8-12 months ago about this idea and I wanted to message this list to see if I could get some support. A lot of small teams and single dev guys use blender as a major part of their asset creation pipeline for their 2d/ 3d games but then they