bind-9.6-ESV-R5-P1 crash!!!

2011-12-09 Thread Issam Harrathi
Hi All,
I discover that bind-9.6-ESV-R5-P1 (configured as a cache-recursor server)
crash in this case:
1/ logging statement are like that:
logging {
category default { default_syslog; default_debug; };
category lame-servers { null; };

};


2/ i send 3 qps using tcpreplay from another server
3/ logrotate is cronned to turn at 4:00 everyday
4/ this configuration generates approximatively 250M by day of data in the
logfile /var/log/messages, And at 4:00 when the logrotate begin and make
the turn of the log (without compress)== Bind begin a strange behavior
like that:
i made the test 3 times, for the two first i found that bind at 4:00
(before 4:00 all is ok) begin answering only 50% of the querry for 6 hours
aproximatively then bind are no longer running and the server goes in an
OOM (Out Of Memory) du to bind who consume 8 Go of RAM (at 4:00 he consume
just 500 M and begin rising from 500M to 8 Go) and the third test
actually running at 4:00 bind begin answering only 50 % of query then at
10:00 he answer all query by a SERVFAIL with a huge query time(2000 msec)

Off Course when i cronned the logrotate to turn each hour the
/var/log/messages doesn't exceed 15M and all is OK. And also when i limit
the data logged (by modifying the logging statement) all is OK too. so why
when the /var/log/messages is about 250 M the bind crash knowing that just
before logrotate begin working I have more than 50 % of RAM, CPU, and
partition Free.



Thanks.
Issam Harrathi.
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CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Lightner, Jeff
Is it possible to create a zone file that only contains a CNAME?

The request I got is to create a CNAME to point shop4water.com to 
shop4water.hostedbywebtstore.com.

We own shop4water.com – hostedbywebstore.com is something external that we 
don’t own.

I’ve reviewed past posts and searched the internet.  I see things saying “you 
can’t have CNAME only” or “you can” or “you should use DNAME instead” and then 
others saying that “you can’t use CNAME or DNAME with any other record and the 
SOA itself is a record”.

So my basic question is:   Is it possible to do this?  If so what should the 
zone file for shop4water.com look like?   Is there another way to make queries 
for shop4water.com go to shop4water.hostedbywebtstore.com?











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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Phil Mayers

On 09/12/11 16:25, Lightner, Jeff wrote:

Is it possible to create a zone file that only contains a CNAME?


This comes up a lot, it seems.

No. CNAME conflicts with any other record - including the SOA and NS 
records required at the apex.


You will have to put an A record at the apex.
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RE: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Lightner, Jeff
I don't know what you mean by that.  Apex of what exactly - my zone file?

I can make a zone file that simply has a CNAME in it with no SOA, serial number 
etc...?

As noted I do not own the target zone so I can't update any records there.

Can you tell me exactly what the zone file should look like with the CNAME 
record at the apex?







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Subject: Re: CNAME only zone?

On 09/12/11 16:25, Lightner, Jeff wrote:
 Is it possible to create a zone file that only contains a CNAME?

This comes up a lot, it seems.

No. CNAME conflicts with any other record - including the SOA and NS
records required at the apex.

You will have to put an A record at the apex.
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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Phil Mayers

On 09/12/11 16:55, Lightner, Jeff wrote:

I don't know what you mean by that.  Apex of what exactly - my zone file?


The zone is a tree. The records at the apex of the zone are those with 
the same name as the zone - normally the SOA, NS, MX, and other records.


Since all zones must have a SOA and NS at the apex, and CNAME is 
incompatible with any other record at the same name (except RRSIG/NSEC), 
you cannot have a CNAME at the apex.




I can make a zone file that simply has a CNAME in it with no SOA, serial number 
etc...?


No. You can't. Such zone files are syntactically invalid, and will not 
be loaded by bind. This is easy to try e.g.


test.zone.	300	SOA	ns.test.zone. hostmaster.test.zone. 100 2700 1800 
3600 3600

test.zone.  300 NS  ns.test.zone.
test.zone.  300 CNAME   www.other.zone.
ns.test.zone.   300 A   192.0.2.1


# named-checkzone test.zone $FILE
dns_master_load: z:3: test.zone: CNAME and other data
dns_master_load: z:3: test.zone: CNAME and other data
zone test.zone/IN: loading from master file z failed: CNAME and other data
zone test.zone/IN: not loaded due to errors.



As noted I do not own the target zone so I can't update any records there.

Can you tell me exactly what the zone file should look like with the CNAME record at the 
apex?


As noted above, such a zone is invalid.

You *can* do this:

test.zone.	300	SOA	ns.test.zone. hostmaster.test.zone. 100 2700 1800 
3600 3600

test.zone.  300 NS  ns.test.zone.
test.zone.  300 A   192.0.2.2 ; the IP of www.other.zone
ns.test.zone.   300 A   192.0.2.1

i.e. put an A record at the zone apex, with the IP of the other 
server. It does mean you need a script / process in place to update the 
A record if the name

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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Jan-Piet Mens
 I don't know what you mean by that.  Apex of what exactly - my zone
 file?  Can you tell me exactly what the zone file should look like
 with the CNAME record at the apex?

Determine the address(es) for the target domain name
shop4water.hostedbywebtstore.com (I'm using 127.0.0.1 as an example),
and add each to an A record in the zone, which should look a bit like
this:

$TTL 3600
@   IN  SOA shop4water.com. root.shop4water.com.  (
1  ; serial 
3H  ; refresh 
1H  ; retry 
1W  ; expiry 
1H ); negTTL 
IN  NS  ns7.worldnic.com.
IN  NS  ns8.worldnic.com.
IN  A   127.0.0.1   ; replace w/ IP of target

As Phill said, a CNAME instead of the A record is illegal at the apex
(i.e. the top) of the zone; CNAME must not exist with other data e.g. NS
or SOA records, which are mandatory for a zone.

Hope that helps.

-JP
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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Phil Mayers

On 09/12/11 17:08, Phil Mayers wrote:


i.e. put an A record at the zone apex, with the IP of the other
server. It does mean you need a script / process in place to update the
A record if the name


...blast.

if the IP of the other server changes
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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread /dev/rob0
On Friday 09 December 2011 10:25:36 Lightner, Jeff wrote:
 Is it possible to create a zone file that only contains a CNAME?

As already answered, no.

 The request I got is to create a CNAME to point shop4water.com to
 shop4water.hostedbywebtstore.com.

You can ask your registrar if they can/will do this in the parent 
com. zone. I have seen ugliness of this type from either Network 
Solutions or register.com before, not sure which.

 We own shop4water.com – hostedbywebstore.com is something external
 that we don’t own.

Do note that hostedbywebtstore is not the same as hostedbywebstore; 
we're sticklers for precise spelling.

Also note that other workarounds will solve the same problem in a 
better way.
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RE: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Lightner, Jeff
Also note that other workarounds will solve the same problem in a better way.

Care to enlighten me as to what those workarounds would be?

Also - why is it a registrar can do a CNAME only but we mere mortals can't?  In 
fact documentation from Amazon (it is apparently their web store I've since 
learned) suggests doing it at registrar so I'll probably go that route but I'm 
wondering why it should work there but not on one of my delegated name servers.





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Subject: Re: CNAME only zone?

On Friday 09 December 2011 10:25:36 Lightner, Jeff wrote:
 Is it possible to create a zone file that only contains a CNAME?

As already answered, no.

 The request I got is to create a CNAME to point shop4water.com to
 shop4water.hostedbywebtstore.com.

You can ask your registrar if they can/will do this in the parent
com. zone. I have seen ugliness of this type from either Network
Solutions or register.com before, not sure which.

 We own shop4water.com - hostedbywebstore.com is something external
 that we don't own.

Do note that hostedbywebtstore is not the same as hostedbywebstore;
we're sticklers for precise spelling.

Also note that other workarounds will solve the same problem in a
better way.
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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread /dev/rob0
Please do not top-post. Thank you.

On Friday 09 December 2011 11:52:58 Lightner, Jeff wrote:
 Also note that other workarounds will solve the same problem
 in a better way.
 
 Care to enlighten me as to what those workarounds would be?

Not knowing the exact situation puts me at a distinct handicap in 
trying to do so, but I can suggest some possibilities beyond what was 
suggested by Jan-Piet and Phil.

- A cron job to look up the desired name and nsupdate(8) the A
  record for shop4water.com. when that address changes
- HTTP redirects, or just a redirect for shop4water.com to point to
  your desired CNAME target; www.shop4water.com *can* be a CNAME.
- Find different hosting.

 Also - why is it a registrar can do a CNAME only but we mere
 mortals can't?

Only approved registrars are allowed to update records in official 
top-level domains. You can make as many CNAME records as you like, 
playing by the rule that a CNAME cannot coexist with a record of the 
same name and any other RRtype.

Registrars are also bound by the reality of DNS. If you want a CNAME, 
they do not delegate the zone to you. They remove any NS records which 
had been in place for your zone, and your nameservers are no longer in 
use for that name. In fact by not being delegated, it ceases to be a 
zone.

 In fact documentation from Amazon (it is
 apparently their web store I've since learned) suggests doing it
 at registrar so I'll probably go that route but I'm wondering why
 it should work there but not on one of my delegated name servers.

Phil answered this, but to restate/repeat, a delegated zone *must* 
have SOA and NS records at the zone apex. Meaning: if shop4water.com 
is delegated, the parent com zone at a a minimum has NS records for 
shop4water.com, and your zone *must* contain SOA and NS records for 
shop4water.com.

Those SOA and NS violate the rule that a CNAME cannot coexist with a 
record of the same name and any other RRtype.
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RE: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Dixon, Justin
 Also note that other workarounds will solve the same problem in a
better
 way.
 
 Care to enlighten me as to what those workarounds would be?


If all the use cases for the CNAME are for http traffic, just configure
an http server/load balancer/etc. under your control to return a 302 or
301 redirect back to the client browser and you maintain control if
needs change in the future.

1. Point DNS A record for shop4water.com to an IP of a webserver under
your control...
2. Use insert your favorite webserver here (using URL Rewrite rules,
perl, etc.) to send a redirect back to the browser to direct them to the
shop4water.hostedbywebstore.com URL.

Depending on whether you want to preserve the URL or not can vary the
type of redirects that you will be configuring but that is fairly simple
to setup on a variety of well known http servers.



 
 Also - why is it a registrar can do a CNAME only but we mere mortals
 can't?  In fact documentation from Amazon (it is apparently their web
 store I've since learned) suggests doing it at registrar so I'll
probably
 go that route but I'm wondering why it should work there but not on
one of
 my delegated name servers.
 
 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 12:41 PM
 To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
 Subject: Re: CNAME only zone?
 
 On Friday 09 December 2011 10:25:36 Lightner, Jeff wrote:
  Is it possible to create a zone file that only contains a CNAME?
 
 As already answered, no.
 
  The request I got is to create a CNAME to point shop4water.com to
  shop4water.hostedbywebtstore.com.
 
 You can ask your registrar if they can/will do this in the parent
 com. zone. I have seen ugliness of this type from either Network
 Solutions or register.com before, not sure which.
 
  We own shop4water.com - hostedbywebstore.com is something external
  that we don't own.
 
 Do note that hostedbywebtstore is not the same as hostedbywebstore;
 we're sticklers for precise spelling.
 
 Also note that other workarounds will solve the same problem in a
 better way.
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bind as a service on windows -c option not working

2011-12-09 Thread Vbvbrj

Bind 9.8.1 P1 installed in D:\bind9.
Config files and other zone files and log files in D:\bind_config
Service configuration: Path to executable
D:\bind9\bin\named.exe -c D:\bind_config\etc\named.conf

named.conf has the line:
directory D:\named.conf;

If the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ISC\BIND\InstallDir is 
present, then at the start the named.conf is searched under the folder 
etc of InstallDir folder.
If I delete this key, the the named.conf file is searched in 
system32/etc folder or something under system32 folder.


In both cases the -c option is not taken by the service. As starting 
bind from command line, the -c option is taken in account and 
named.conf is read from the specified path.


How to tell the named running as a service to read the config file from 
the path specified with -c option?

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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On Friday 09 December 2011 10:25:36 Lightner, Jeff wrote:

The request I got is to create a CNAME to point shop4water.com to
shop4water.hostedbywebtstore.com.


On 09.12.11 11:41, /dev/rob0 wrote:

You can ask your registrar if they can/will do this in the parent
com. zone. I have seen ugliness of this type from either Network
Solutions or register.com before, not sure which.


Note that there still may be servers that have configured .com as 
delegation-only and thus it won't work there.


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Re: bind as a service on windows -c option not working

2011-12-09 Thread WBrown
 How to tell the named running as a service to read the config file from 
 the path specified with -c option?

Try changing path to executable by moving quote:

D:\bind9\bin\named.exe -c D:\bind_config\etc\named.conf




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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 09.12.11 17:52, Lightner, Jeff wrote:
Also - why is it a registrar can do a CNAME only but we mere mortals 
can't?


Because if you want CNAME, you must put it directly to he .com zone 
what mere mortals just can not.

And I wonder if any registrar allows that.

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Re: bind as a service on windows -c option not working

2011-12-09 Thread Vbvbrj

On 09.12.2011 21:32, wbr...@e1b.org wrote:

How to tell the named running as a service to read the config file from
the path specified with -c option?

Try changing path to executable by moving quote:

D:\bind9\bin\named.exe -c D:\bind_config\etc\named.conf


No luck: The following information is part of the event: none:0: open: 
C:\WINDOWS\system32\etc\named.conf: file not found

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Re: bind as a service on windows -c option not working

2011-12-09 Thread WBrown
 No luck: The following information is part of the event: none:0: open: 
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\etc\named.conf: file not found

So why not put the configuration file there.  Then use the directory 
option to direct BIND to look for all the zone files on the D: drive.

options {
directory D:\bind_config; 
other options as required
}




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Re: bind as a service on windows -c option not working

2011-12-09 Thread Vbvbrj

On 09.12.2011 22:15, wbr...@e1b.org wrote:

No luck: The following information is part of the event: none:0: open:
C:\WINDOWS\system32\etc\named.conf: file not found

So why not put the configuration file there.  Then use the directory
option to direct BIND to look for all the zone files on the D: drive.

options {
 directory D:\bind_config;
 other options as required
 }
This is not the answer I am looking. If the parameter exists, it's must 
working.

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Re: bind as a service on windows -c option not working

2011-12-09 Thread WBrown
 This is not the answer I am looking. If the parameter exists, it's must 
 working.

Have you tried issuing the command from a command prompt?  



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Re: CNAME only zone?

2011-12-09 Thread 风河
2011/12/10 Lightner, Jeff jlight...@water.com:
 Is it possible to create a zone file that only contains a CNAME?


Some nameservers can setup that, though it's breaking the RFC.

quote:
Never one to let a RFC stand in the way of a solution to a real
problem, we're happy to announce that CloudFlare allows you to set
your zone apex to a CNAME. This allows CloudFlare users to host on
EC2, Rackspace's Cloud, Google App Engine, or other cloud hosts and
use their naked domain (e.g., yourdomain.com) without forcing a hack
solution to a subdomain (e.g., www.yourdomain.com).

http://blog.cloudflare.com/zone-apex-naked-domain-root-domain-cname-supp


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