Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-18 Thread DA Williamson via bitcoin-dev
Good Morning, The Bitcoin you are spending must exist in compliance with consensus so, if the details are obscured then it is not possible for me to accept your Bitcoin, to say I refuse. Otherwise, it is not possible for me to see immutably that they exist all the way to coin genesis, they could

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-17 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
ednesday, 17 March 2021 3:11 PM To: DA Williamson Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion ; LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK Good morning JAMES, > Good Afternoon, > > Verifiable and independantly verifiable are not the same. Independantly > scrutina

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-17 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
n Cc: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; R E Broadley ; Eric Voskuil Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > It's incredible how this troll keeps trolling and the list (bitcoin-dev !!) > keeping attention > > Good troll, really Depending on topic raised, it may be useful to a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-17 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning, > Good afternoon, > > That is not desirable since yourself and I cannot prove the property of the > UTXO when it is further spent unless we can ourselves scrutinize it. What property *needs* to be proven in the first place? I suspect you are riding too much on your preferences

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-17 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
> If you actually believe the operation of consensus and the discussion > relevant to that is a mundane or philosophical dissection of people's ability > to grasp a humorous while on-topic but obligatorily unnecessary conversation > you may prefer if you enquire how Bitcoin is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-16 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
> It's incredible how this troll keeps trolling and the list (bitcoin-dev !!) > keeping attention > > Good troll, really Depending on topic raised, it may be useful to at least answer the troll naively as if it were an honest question, if only so that third parties reading do not get

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-16 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning JAMES, > Good Afternoon, > > Verifiable and independantly verifiable are not the same. Independantly > scrutinable means any public can scrutinise blockchain to determine it > is honest. It does not rely on involved parties but insistently on the > data published in the blockchain.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-16 Thread DA Williamson via bitcoin-dev
Good Afternoon, Verifiable and independantly verifiable are not the same. Independantly scrutinable means any public can scrutinise blockchain to determine it is honest. It does not rely on involved parties but insistently on the data published in the blockchain. The accepted case of P2SH is also

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-16 Thread Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev
illiamson > > > m. 0487135719 > f. +61261470192 > > > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this > email if misdelivered. > > *From:* bitcoin-dev on > behalf of Eric Voskuil via

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-15 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning JAMES, > No-one has yet demonstrated that Conjoin or using Wasabi wallet is secure if > it relies on third-parties. Are the transaction not forwarded partially > signed as with an SPV wallet? So it is possible the SPV server cannot > redirect funds if dishonest? SPV wallets are

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-14 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
d this email if misdelivered. From: bitcoin-dev on behalf of Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 9:30 AM To: R E Broadley ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK I’m pretty sure it’s subtle mockery. Even a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-12 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
I’m pretty sure it’s subtle mockery. Even a legit title doesn’t warrant additional attention. e > On Mar 12, 2021, at 14:02, R E Broadley via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > Can I just point out (to those addressing James as Lord/Excelency/etc > that he isn't noble nor a Lord, so just wanted to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-12 Thread R E Broadley via bitcoin-dev
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-10 Thread Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this > email if misdelivered. > -- > *From:* bitcoin-dev on > behalf of Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, 6 March 2021 1:04 AM > *To:* Bitcoin P

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-10 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
v on behalf of Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2021 1:04 AM To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:48 PM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev wrote: > My concern was that the more complex scripts allow obfusca

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-05 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:48 PM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev wrote: > My concern was that the more complex scripts allow obfuscation of the Pay To > address This is no different from options available in P2SH, or from the obfuscation achieved by generating a new address for a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-04 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
@voskuil.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2021 10:55 PM To: 'LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH' ; 'Bitcoin Protocol Discussion' Cc: 'Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces' Subject: RE: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > and all transactions should be open to the scrutiny of an honest government. From what do you d

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-04 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
misdelivered. From: Thomas Hartman Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2021 1:32 AM To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK “all transactions should be open to the scrutiny of an honest government” I agree with this. Howev

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-04 Thread Thomas Hartman via bitcoin-dev
> > > > m. 0487135719 > f. +61261470192 > > > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this email > if misdelivered. > From: Eric Voskuil > Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 9:37 AM > To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin Protoco

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-04 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
misdelivered. From: Erik Aronesty Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2021 1:49 AM To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Cc: Daniel Edgecumbe Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK taproot does not enable anything that cannot already be done today. it only enables larger and

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-04 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
mail > if misdelivered. > ________ > From: bitcoin-dev on behalf > of Daniel Edgecumbe via bitcoin-dev > Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:16 PM > To: M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > > Any "transparency

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-03 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
From: bitcoin-dev on behalf > of Felipe Micaroni Lalli via bitcoin-dev > > Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2021 3:30 AM > To: e...@voskuil.org ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion > > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > > Dear LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH), a.k.a.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-03 Thread Felipe Micaroni Lalli via bitcoin-dev
m:* bitcoin-dev *On > Behalf Of *LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 2, 2021 7:06 PM > *To:* M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev ; > Daniel Edgecumbe > *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > > > > "Today I spent approximately $

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-03 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
day, March 2, 2021 7:06 PM To: M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev ; Daniel Edgecumbe Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK "Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop in North London in cash. Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen to share this information, it is absolutely no

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-03 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
arch 2021 10:56 PM To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK The idea of a fully-transparent bitcoin is dead and has been for many years. This is because of various privacy tech such as CoinJoin, Lightning Network, PayJoin, change avoidance, avoiding addres

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-03 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
d this email if misdelivered. From: Eric Voskuil Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 9:37 AM To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Cc: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces “

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-03 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
general advice. Please disregard this email if misdelivered. From: bitcoin-dev on behalf of Daniel Edgecumbe via bitcoin-dev Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:16 PM To: M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK Any "transparency

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-02 Thread Chris Belcher via bitcoin-dev
e & British Empire >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson >> Wills >> >> et al. >> >> >> Willtech >> www.willtech.com.au >> www.go-overt.com >> and other projects >> >> earn.com/willtech >> linkedin.com/in/damianwil

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-01 Thread Daniel Edgecumbe via bitcoin-dev
; HMRH) > > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > > MR. Damian A. James Williamson > > Wills > > > > et al. > > > > > > Willtech > > www.willtech.com.au > > www.go-overt.com > > and other projects > > &

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-01 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
lliamson > Wills > > et al. > > > Willtech > www.willtech.com.au > www.go-overt.com > and other projects > > earn.com/willtech > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > > > m. 0487135719 > f. +61261470192 > > > This email does not constitute a g

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-02-28 Thread Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces via bitcoin-dev
s not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this >email if misdelivered. >________________ >From: Jeremy >Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM >To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin >Protocol Discussion >Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > &

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-02-28 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
ry 2021 3:14 AM To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, taproot is a way to make tran

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-02-27 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy dependent on user

[bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-02-27 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
Good Afternoon, It has been reported that Taproot will enable some Monero like features including the ability to hide transactions. If that is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain. A part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full transaction is published on the