[Bitcoin-development] First-Seen-Safe Replace-by-Fee patch against Bitcoin Core v0.10.2

2015-06-10 Thread Peter Todd
First-seen-safe Replace-by-Fee is now available as a patch against v0.10.2: https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/tree/first-seen-safe-rbf-v0.10.2 I've also had a pull-req against git HEAD open for a few weeks now: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6176#issuecomment-104877829 I've

[Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread xor
http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-software-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/ TL;DR: > In 2013, GIMP’s developers pulled the GIMP Windows downloads from > SourceForge. SourceForge was full of misleading advertisements > masquerading as “Download” buttons — something

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Wladimir J. van der Laan
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote: > http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-software-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/ All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from sourceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Andy Schroder
Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding an agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also thought of trying

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Ivan Brightly
I like elegant solutions and while eventually I can see a "pay to contribute" service, I don't imagine you'll get consensus in short order. List provider costs are pretty reasonable, so if that's the hurdle to overcome I'm happy to offer sponsorship. Ivan Brightly SolidX Partners On Wed, Jun 10,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread s7r
The mail list is public, so it's not like the data on it is somehow sensitive. Sourcefoge is fine, it has a nice web UI where you can browse the message and sort/order them as you want, etc. Why would you want to move to a paid solution? And why would you want users to have to pay per message? Thi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Andy Schroder
Hello Troy, I like the idea of the live mirrors. I'm personally just an amateur at setting up e-mail servers, but the first concern I have is that everyone hosting a mirror may not necessarily use the same SMTP MTA. I personally use postfix, but I'm not sure what most people use. Some other

[Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism

2015-06-10 Thread Nathan Wilcox
[I'm currently wading through bitcoin-development. I'm still about a month behind, so I apologize in advance for any noisy redundancy in this post.] While reading about blocksize, I've just finished Mike Hearn's blog post describing expected systemic behavior as actual blocks approach the current

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I'll sponsor it, if we agree to implement a HashCash spam filter in the next 6 months. I've run mail servers for $DAYJOB for 5 or so years, and I've run my own personal server for the last 14. Since Bitcoin is a perfectly good HashCash system, I'm thinking a http://www.courier-mta.org/courierfilte

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I think if the consensus is "pay with commits or pay with bitcoin" we might have a consensus from the people that actually matter very quickly, because they've already paid ;) My opinion is the most sustainable solution would be to identify a team of admins and use something like Digital Ocean's

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Andy Schroder
Hello, A couple of motivations for a mailing list switch: 1. Sometimes the mailing list delays delivery for 10 minutes to several days. 2. There are usually lots of ads at the footer of the messages. Really confuses new readers (for me at least), and seems like it really pollutes such a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Peter Todd
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 02:59:48PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote: > Hello, > > A couple of motivations for a mailing list switch: > > 1. Sometimes the mailing list delays delivery for 10 minutes to several >days. > 2. There are usually lots of ads at the footer of the messages. Really >confu

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Andy Schroder
Andy Schroder On 06/10/2015 03:03 PM, Peter Todd wrote: 4. Seems like digital signatures are always broken on messages because the list server slightly modifies them (?), so my e-mail client doesn't verify them all. What type of digital signatures specifically? What email client? I

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Ivan Brightly
"My opinion is the most sustainable solution would be to identify a team of admins and use something like Digital Ocean's new team accounts feature and have someone like SolidX contribute funds for the servers and a few hours a week from one of their sysadmins to the team." This is a perfectly fin

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism

2015-06-10 Thread Aaron Voisine
It could be done by agreeing on a data format and encoding it in an op_return output in the coinbase transaction. If it catches on it could later be enforced with a soft fork. For real up-to-the-minute fee calculations you're also going to want to look at the current mempool, how many transactions

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Peter Todd
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 03:12:02PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote: > > Andy Schroder > > On 06/10/2015 03:03 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > > > >>4. Seems like digital signatures are always broken on messages because > >>the list server slightly modifies them (?), so my e-mail client > >>doesn't ver

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Andy Schroder
Andy Schroder On 06/10/2015 03:20 PM, Peter Todd wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 03:12:02PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote: Andy Schroder On 06/10/2015 03:03 PM, Peter Todd wrote: 4. Seems like digital signatures are always broken on messages because the list server slightly modifies them (?)

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Peter Todd
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 03:36:42PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote: > It's possible that the enigmail extension is not working right, but > I was under the impression that it is just feeding data to gpg and > then receiving the response back. It's possible that your e-mail you > just checked was not sen

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Andy Schroder wrote: > Hello, > > A couple of motivations for a mailing list switch: > >1. Sometimes the mailing list delays delivery for 10 minutes to >several days. >2. There are usually lots of ads at the footer of the messages. Really >confus

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism

2015-06-10 Thread Nathan Wilcox
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Aaron Voisine wrote: > It could be done by agreeing on a data format and encoding it in an > op_return output in the coinbase transaction. If it catches on it could > later be enforced with a soft fork. > > Sounds plausible, except SPV protocols would need to incl

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism

2015-06-10 Thread Peter Todd
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 02:00:27PM -0600, Nathan Wilcox wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Aaron Voisine wrote: > > > It could be done by agreeing on a data format and encoding it in an > > op_return output in the coinbase transaction. If it catches on it could > > later be enforced with a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Andy Schroder
Hello, Thanks for testing this clarifying things about PGP/MIME and I apologize for wasting your time with it. It looks like a SPAM filtering service I use is re-writing some parts of some plain text messages with some special/alternate encoding characters (not sure what it really is). Anyway

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism

2015-06-10 Thread Mike Hearn
I described an alternative way for SPV wallets to learn about fees some time ago. It requires a new transaction version that embeds output values into the signed data. Then an upgrade to the P2P protocol to send UTXO data along with transactions when they are relayed. The idea is that the wallet s

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism

2015-06-10 Thread Aaron Voisine
> Sounds plausible, except SPV protocols would need to include this coinbase txn if it's going to help SPV clients. Yes you'd either need a way to add those transactions to the bloom filter, or add/modify a p2p message to request it specifically. > when you mention Sybil attack, I don't quite fol

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism

2015-06-10 Thread Aaron Voisine
The other complication is that this will tend to be a lagging indicator based on network congestion from the last time you connected. If we assume that transactions are being dropped in an unpredictable way when blocks are full, knowing the network congestion *right now* is critical, and even then

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Lexicographical Indexing of Transaction Inputs and Outputs

2015-06-10 Thread Kristov Atlas
Thanks for the feedback. I think I have reflected all of your requested changes in the latest version, in the BIP and sample code: https://github.com/kristovatlas/rfc/tree/master/bips -Kr On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 06:53:54PM -0400, Kristov Atla

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list?

2015-06-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
And just like I did here, if I were a list member with good reputation, and felt like reposting something that did not make it to the list by accident or ommission, or a hashcash posting fee that was too high, it would end up on the list if enough people bothered to read it and either repost, or p