Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-07 Thread Scott Furt
Tim Riley wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:08:24AM -0400, Scott Furt wrote: The whole linux philosophy is to give configurability, even at the cost of being a bit cryptic at times. :-) Is that so? What about the 'usability' philosophy? ;) For me, the configurability helps make it

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote: Hmm... so I notice that when you maximize, then resize, the maximize button will re-maximize (ie: maximization was turned off after the resize). However, if I maximize the window, then MOVE it, maximization is not turned off. For consistency sake,

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
Opaque resizing would be really cool... That would be horribly slow, as the app's contents would have to be redrawn constantly.. With a move, they dont change, in a resize, they do. yeah, opaque resizing is a serious bitch to get right.

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread xOr
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 11:45:53PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote: Hmm... so I notice that when you maximize, then resize, the maximize button will re-maximize (ie: maximization was turned off after the resize). However, if I maximize the window,

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread xOr
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:08:11AM -0400, Derek Cunningham wrote: On Wed, Jun05,02 23:45, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote: Hmm... so I notice that when you maximize, then resize, the maximize button will re-maximize (ie: maximization was turned off

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Tim Riley
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 08:51:39AM -0500, xOr wrote: I see no reason why I would want to move a maxmimized window, as moving it puts some of the windows off screen. I propose that maximized windows should not be moveable (config option?). There is no way that would fly for a large number

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Derek Cunningham
On Thu, Jun06,02 08:55, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:08:11 -0400 Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see no reason why I would want to move a maxmimized window, as moving it puts some of the windows off screen. I propose that maximized windows should not be

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Tim Riley
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote: Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default should be picked, and kept. Otherwise (that is, after feature freeze), we might get config item creep! I,

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote: Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default should be picked, and kept. Otherwise (that is,

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Rachel Collins
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:41:12 -0500 xOr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote: I, for one, see no problem with this config item creep. :) They add enormous amounts of flexibility, at

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
I think I have to agree with Tim on this, at least to a certain extent. As a semi-geek, I rely on my hubbie to get me through complex installs and I'm convinced that he would be less than appreciative if I could not even install my own window manager without help. =) Personally, I'd rather

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Scott Furt
Stijn Hoop wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote: Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default should be picked, and kept.

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
hmm... I guess my complaint isn't so much about getting it back to it's original place... but more about consistency. I really like the ideal of having fully maximized windows unable to move, but I'll leave that up to you guys to decide :). this consistency is not shared by any of the

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote: On Thu, Jun06,02 11:38, Chris Grossmann wrote: Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Yeah... further to this, to whom to we cater? The users, or the power users? The featureists, or the minimalists? The authors. :) Maybe... but I

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Chris Grossmann
You're absolutely right, Derek. I credit Sean and Brad with all that they do (and have done). I use blackbox because it is lean and fast, and when a new version comes out, it is leaner and faster. Most of the features/configurations I could really care less about, but I'll say this: I'd

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread xOr
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:03:57PM -0400, Chris Grossmann wrote: You're absolutely right, Derek. I credit Sean and Brad with all that they do (and have done). I use blackbox because it is lean and fast, and when a new version comes out, it is leaner and faster. Most of the

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
Heh, a configuration option is never going to be the bottle neck of the window manager. With blackbox, the bottleneck is the image rendering code, as fast as it is. :) true. However, every option is roughly 20 lines of code. Plus a little more memory as we store the option, some state,

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Tim Riley
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:08:24AM -0400, Scott Furt wrote: The whole linux philosophy is to give configurability, even at the cost of being a bit cryptic at times. :-) Is that so? What about the 'usability' philosophy? ;)

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Tim Riley
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:41:12AM -0500, xOr wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote: It just seems that some of the proposed config options are so obtuse and subtle that the average man on the free unix might not understand it. For Heh, are you, by chance, a

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-06 Thread Es Bee Ex
On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:24:54 +0930 Tim Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:08:24AM -0400, Scott Furt wrote: The whole linux philosophy is to give configurability, even at the cost of being a bit cryptic at times. :-) Is that so? What about the 'usability' philosophy?

alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-05 Thread Derek Cunningham
Hmm... so I notice that when you maximize, then resize, the maximize button will re-maximize (ie: maximization was turned off after the resize). However, if I maximize the window, then MOVE it, maximization is not turned off. For consistency sake, wouldn't that be a good idea... it also seems

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-05 Thread Matt Wilson
ok... another thought. Would it be desired to have resizing snap to the screen (well, the struct) edges? agreed, that would make a lot of sense (not to mention be very useful) also, how about opaque resizing, like opaque moving? Matt.

Re: alpha8 - maximization stuff

2002-06-05 Thread Derek Cunningham
On Thu, Jun06,02 17:50, Matt Wilson wrote: ok... another thought. Would it be desired to have resizing snap to the screen (well, the struct) edges? agreed, that would make a lot of sense (not to mention be very useful) also, how about opaque resizing, like opaque moving? Matt. That