Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:05:43 -0400 From: Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Blackbox web site] Mr. Brigham Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originally I understood the use of Un*x was to protect against lawsuits from ATT during the great BSD Freedom wars. Yes; and IIRC UNIX (ie all upper-case) is still a trademark of ATT/Bell Labs, no? no, it belongs to The Open Group (http://www.opengroup.org/) -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 12:01PM up 6 days, 22:20, 10 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.08, 0.03
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:25:20 -0400 Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it interesting. From: Eugenia Loli-Queru [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Blackbox web site In this page: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ you write: M$ Windows (all varieties) I do not know the problem you might have with Microsoft sir, but this is down right unprofessional and filthy to reffer to Microsoft as M$, ESPECIALLY when the project you are developing is actually running on that platform. While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to operate on MS OSes? If so, why not just change the reference to Cygwin? -- Jamin W. Collins
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
On Mon, Jul22,02 09:34, Jamin W. Collins wrote: In this page: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ you write: M$ Windows (all varieties) I do not know the problem you might have with Microsoft sir, but this is down right unprofessional and filthy to reffer to Microsoft as M$, ESPECIALLY when the project you are developing is actually running on that platform. While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to operate on MS OSes? If so, why not just change the reference to Cygwin? I'll stop being a linux zealot, just as soon as _M$_ stops it's antitrust practices. Sure, I'm stooping to their level, maybe, but alas, zealotry isn't breaking the law (and getting away with it)!!! I love it when people are contradictory... this chick comes across as a zealot more than using an altered abreviation does. yak yak yak... GET A JOB! -- Hackers. DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human beings act intelligently only after they have exhausted the alternatives -- Abba Eban Registered Linux User Number 195825
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
I don't know what the big deal is. I'd just leave it, who cares, not worth the time/thought/effort. If people are going to get all freaked out over something like this, let 'em. That first reply was supposed to be sent back to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I forgot to change the To:, :/, then I wrote back to Jan to apologize. :P Figured I better not Cc everyone on the blackbox list for my whole day's correspondence. ;) On Monday, July 22, 2002 at 09:04AM, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to operate on MS OSes? If so, why not just change the reference to Cygwin? true, I should just say Cygwin. I always thought referring to the company as M$ was like referring to Un*x, it just avoided the explicit name and the need to pay someone (-:
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On 22-Jul-2002 Mike wrote: I don't know what the big deal is. I'd just leave it, who cares, not worth the time/thought/effort. If people are going to get all freaked out over something like this, let 'em. Cygwin is a more accurate depiction anyway so that is what the webpage now says.
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Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought referring to the company as M$ was like referring to Un*x, it just avoided the explicit name and the need to pay someone (-: The difference is that M$ contains a judgement. Un*x or it's variants are neutral. It's intended to summarize the various flavors of UNIX-like operating systems with one word. I agree that M$, Micro$loth and all the other variations are not suitable for a projects website. -Jan -- I seem to be having this tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle.
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Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22-Jul-2002 Jan Schaumann wrote: Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it interesting. how is it you received this? You happen to be the first address on the screen shots page so if she chose that link that shows a certain lack of understanding. *shrug* Maybe I was the first for who she could find an email address. You might want to add a short mailto-link at the bottom of the index-page. -Jan -- http://www.anti-dmca.org/
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--- Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP The difference is that M$ contains a judgement. Un*x or it's variants are neutral. It's intended to summarize the various flavors of UNIX-like operating systems with one word. I've started using Nix because it seems more inclusive. Originally I understood the use of Un*x was to protect against lawsuits from ATT during the great BSD Freedom wars. After we won, it became an inclusive use which lead me to my first sentence. = -- R. Brigham Young II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Analyst, CAUSMIS Research Group Dept. of Materials Science Engineering University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-3024 Voice: 208.885.7934, Fax: 208.885.2855 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
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On Mon, Jul22,02 09:34, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: You might want to add a short mailto-link at the bottom of the index-page. yeah, I suppose I should. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human beings act intelligently only after they have exhausted the alternatives -- Abba Eban Registered Linux User Number 195825
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In mho.. People are simply way too sensitive. I like to think of the internet as the Wild West in a way. People say whatever they want, and it's up to us to realize that we have every right to disagree, but *no* right to censor the views of others. In fact, I actually enjoy this freewheeling kind of environment. There's bravado, arrogance, and insensitivity. But if you dig deep there's also a lot of intelligence. Take my own experiences for example: I've learned more from this website about BB and related software because of the matter-of-fact, direct and unadulterated information available. Not because it caters to the whims or feelings of any particular individual. Besides, every KNOWS that many people just think Microsoft technology sucks. Gates' is a genius as a businessman. But not as an OS developer. Since this isn't a list for philosophical argument, I'll leave it at that. And thanks again for making the window manager learning process a valuable and interesting one. __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People are simply way too sensitive. I like to think of the internet as the Wild West in a way. People say whatever they want, and it's up to us to realize that we have every right to disagree, but *no* right to censor the views of others. This has nothing to do with censorship, but with how you would like to portray yourself or your project. If you want to be taken seriously and do not want to look childish or foolish, don't do childish or foolish things, that's all. And that was my last post on this topic. -Jan -- Probability factor of one to one. We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own lookout.
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--- Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Brigham Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've started using Nix because it seems more inclusive. How's Nix (or *nix) more inclusive than Un*x? None of these includes Linux, HP UX, AIX, IRIX, *BSD, Solaris etc. ? ;-) The same thing Un*x does. i.e. not much LOL --Brig. Originally I understood the use of Un*x was to protect against lawsuits from ATT during the great BSD Freedom wars. Yes; and IIRC UNIX (ie all upper-case) is still a trademark of ATT/Bell Labs, no? Yes AFAIK -Jan -- Probability factor of one to one. We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own lookout. = -- R. Brigham Young II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Analyst, CAUSMIS Research Group Dept. of Materials Science Engineering University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-3024 Voice: 208.885.7934, Fax: 208.885.2855 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
