Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Uwe, On 27/11/2022 18:55, Uwe Altmann wrote: Hi Andreas While you don't like answers in private mail I post it on this list. Am 27.11.22 um 16:44 schrieb Andreas Mantke: I'm curious to read own statements from the 'several of the community' here. Maybe most of us follow the golden rule

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Uwe Altmann
Hi Andreas While you don't like answers in private mail I post it on this list. Am 27.11.22 um 16:44 schrieb Andreas Mantke: I'm curious to read own statements from the 'several of the community' here. Maybe most of us follow the golden rule of mailing lists not to feed trolls? ;-)

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Dear all, On 27/11/2022 17:56, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi all, a vote was called under the pretense of consent, for a proposal that did not leave the assigned working group with an approval. The vote has been called on a proposal which followed the agreed at LibOCon and in various email

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi all, a vote was called under the pretense of consent, for a proposal that did not leave the assigned working group with an approval. That is in violation of good practice (to say the least), and it was perfectly ok for directors to leave it on the table (instead of working through 16 pages of

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, hi all, Am 27.11.22 um 13:00 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Stephan, all, Stephan Ficht wrote: (...) Furthermore, I think that a good relationship with everyone is valuable and helpful for all parts of the community and for the common projects. I fully support that notion. That

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Stephan Ficht
Hi Thorsten, Am 27.11.22 um 13:00 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Thank you very much for taking the initiative to respond. I'm still curious to know any opinion and explanation about: Am 26.11.22 um 16:14 schrieb Stephan Ficht: Am 18.11.22 um 11:30 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: "Eventual limitations

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Stephan, all, Stephan Ficht wrote: > Questions just to delay the matter more and more? > At least that's the impression I get. > No. There was always support for getting devs hired. You've received personal statements from me that this is not a delay tactic. > After an incredible period of

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor , hi all, On 26.11.22 15:25, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 25/11/2022 14:57: All directors also expressed their support for the proposal which, as I'm sure I did not. I mentioned items that make it questionable and definitely not fit to help our community with

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread sophi
Hi Stephan, Le 26/11/2022 à 16:14, Stephan Ficht a écrit : Hi all, Am 26.11.22 um 13:02 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: topic with lots of questions on the Monday call agenda. Am 26.11.22 um 15:25 schrieb Cor Nouws: I mentioned items that make it questionable Questions just to delay the matter

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Stephan Ficht
Hi all, Am 26.11.22 um 13:02 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: topic with lots of questions on the Monday call agenda. Am 26.11.22 um 15:25 schrieb Cor Nouws: I mentioned items that make it questionable Questions just to delay the matter more and more? At least that's the impression I get.

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 25/11/2022 14:57: All directors also expressed their support for the proposal which, as I'm sure I did not. I mentioned items that make it questionable and definitely not fit to help our community with developers. Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, I have the impression that some live in a different reality or simply don't check things before coming up with statements. On 26/11/2022 13:02, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: On 25/11/2022 14:04, Florian Effenberger wrote: We believe that would do a lot of

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > On 25/11/2022 14:04, Florian Effenberger wrote: > > We believe that would do a lot of good for TDF, its mission, and the > > LibreOffice community at large. It's been taking a long time, so if the > > board is ready to vote and trusts the team to handle the project,

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, On 25/11/2022 18:17, Jan Holesovsky wrote: That is not true. That version is not balanced, and Paolo’s unwillingness to find balance there was one of the main reasons to my resignation. That's a very interesting statement which doesn't seem to be supported by publicly available

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Andreas, I was actually about to send out an even clearer explanation of what was left to do. Your comments anyway show that the information is readily available to all to disprove the accusation. Ciao Paolo On 26/11/2022 11:18, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Kendy, hi all, Am 25.11.22 um

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Kendy, hi all, Am 25.11.22 um 18:17 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi all, I have unsubscribed from this mailing list, but it was brought to my attention that Paolo claims that I have signed off the latest version of the Developers proposal. That is not true. That version is not balanced, and

Re: Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-25 Thread Jan Holesovsky
- > From: Paolo Vecchi > To: Florian Effenberger , Board Discuss < > board-discuss@documentfoundation.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 14:57:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers > proposal v.3.1 > Hi Florian, >

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-25 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Florian, On 25/11/2022 14:04, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, me and many others from the team would be very happy to finally see the developer proposal come to life. We believe that would do a lot of good for TDF, its mission, and the LibreOffice community at large. It's been taking

[board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-25 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, me and many others from the team would be very happy to finally see the developer proposal come to life. We believe that would do a lot of good for TDF, its mission, and the LibreOffice community at large. It's been taking a long time, so if the board is ready to vote and trusts the