Finally started airing in the USA last Friday. In the UK we saw the
penultimate episode of the first (thirteen episode) season on Monday.
(We got to see it first because SKY is putting in $400,000 per episode
without which the show, which costs $1,800,000/ep wouldn't have been
made at
At 10:20 PM 1/18/2005 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
JDG wrote:
The biggest problem is what happens when the decision maker with hundreds
of billions of dollars in assets picks an investment vehicle for those
assets.Since increased demand boosts price, whomever is currently
investing in the
At 10:41 PM 1/18/2005 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
This is opposed to the very real problem of the money going to investments
attacking the foundations of what Social Security is.
Why is that a problem? Or is the pyramid-scheme foundation and the
regressive tax system of Social Security
Steve Sloan wrote:
David Brin wrote:
Below is the list of those I already see interested. Anyone else?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Doug Pensinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Matt Grimaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
,William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Please include Steve Sloan, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Me, too, even though I've
Erik Reuter wrote:
He could equivalently have said the system is broken. The
forecast is that SS will not be able to pay scheduled benefits in the
future without an increase in funding.
If that's what he meant, then that's what he could have said. I hear a
world of difference between broke and
On Jan 19, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I have a hard time believing this administration's claims of crisis,
since I now think they misused it to raise support for the war.
This is another sticking point for me too. I simply don't think Bush II
has any credibility at all. They tweaked
JDG wrote:
I hear Bush warning us of financial
instruments of mass destruction and I remember how lousy the analysis
was the last time he offered a big warning about mass destruction. Fool
me once, shame on me...
Oh good grief.Does noone in the Democratic Party have any shame?
About what?
* Trent Shipley [Mon, 17/01/2005 at 11:00 -0700]
On Monday 2005-01-17 03:19, Jean-Marc Chaton wrote:
* Trent Shipley [Sat, 15/01/2005 at 11:59 -0700]
If you are interested please, reply to Brin-L. (Effectively this is a
blank-check form of RSVP.)
I'm interested. Provided that there
Two things:
1 - I've just come off a Star Wars binge.
2 - Having nothing better to do, and being grievously bored, I dredged up
some dusty Rex Murphy articles and happened upon the following, which I
thought was a great bit of fun:
http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/rex/pov990513.html
Star
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
He could equivalently have said the system is broken. The
forecast is that SS will not be able to pay scheduled benefits in the
future without an increase in funding.
If that's what he meant, then that's what he could have said.
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
If that's what he meant, then that's what he could have said. I
hear a world of difference between broke and broken. To me,
the former is inappropriate language of crisis. I have a hard time
believing this
Erik Reuter wrote:
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
He said it perfectly correctly. Present value of liabilities exceeding
present value of income is as good a definition as I know of broke.
Do you consider broke to mean insolvent? That's what it means to
you. Your formula means
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
A *future* crisis. I think there's a big difference between saying
there is a crisis that we must deal with now and there will be a
crisis if we don't make changes now. To me, it's like the difference
I see. What you are saying is you see a big
Erik Reuter wrote:
I see. What you are saying is you see a big difference whether YOU
have to pay for the crisis, or whether you can foist it off on someone
else by doing nothing now.
You see like a blind man, as if there were no difference at all in how
to respond to a present crisis v. a future
As Steve said,
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
- Original Message -
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Social Security
At 10:41 PM 1/18/2005 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
This is opposed to the very real problem of the money going to
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:58:43 -0500, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That may be, but assuming we have paramilitary or military operatives on the
ground in Iran, and they get caught, remain alive, and are identifiable, it
will make the Gary Powers U2 incident look like a PR nuisance.
Nah!
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kotlikoff's PSS plan
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
A *future* crisis. I think there's a big difference between
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:58:43 -0500, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That may be, but assuming we have paramilitary or military operatives
on the
ground in Iran, and they get caught, remain alive, and are
identifiable, it
will make the Gary Powers U2 incident look like a PR nuisance.
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I haven't said do nothing. But I don't see how we can possibly
reach any sort of consensus about what to, since we don't agree on
whether this is a present or future crisis.
So you agree to taking the cut to 73% now for your generation? You would
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
But, we do have to remember, that even with a 25% downward step
function in benefits paid in '45, the paid benefits at retirement will
still be 36% more than they all now.
But not the fair share of the people below 40. How is it fair for the
boomers to
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:59:10 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I haven't said do nothing. But I don't see how we can possibly
reach any sort of consensus about what to, since we don't agree on
whether this is a present or future crisis.
Does anyone on this list read Analog? There is a wicked little story
in the January/February 2005 issue by David Brin concerning first
contact.
By the way, I've been lurking through internet archives for quite a
while now, but I've just recently subscribed to the list.
MD
In a message dated 1/19/2005 3:32:00 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does anyone on this list read Analog? There is a wicked little story
in the January/February 2005 issue by David Brin concerning first
contact.
By the way, I've been lurking through internet
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kotlikoff's PSS plan
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
But, we do have to remember, that even with a 25% downward step
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:10:06 +, William T Goodall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Finally started airing in the USA last Friday. In the UK we saw the
penultimate episode of the first (thirteen episode) season on Monday.
(We got to see it first because SKY is putting in $400,000 per episode
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Those folks got a lot more than they paid inas a fraction of GDP.
But, since they weathered the Great Depression and WWII, and built a
United States where I could prosper, I don't begrudge them that. The
fact that the baby boomers will do a bit
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
Does anyone on this list read Analog? There is a wicked little
story
in the January/February 2005 issue by David Brin concerning first
contact.
By the way, I've been lurking through internet archives for quite a
while now, but I've just recently subscribed to the
Erik Reuter wrote:
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I haven't said do nothing. But I don't see how we can possibly
reach any sort of consensus about what to, since we don't agree on
whether this is a present or future crisis.
So you agree to taking the cut to 73% now for your
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:35:53 -0800, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I haven't said do nothing. But I don't see how we can possibly
reach any sort of consensus about what to, since we don't agree on
whether this is a
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, JDG wrote:
There is almost no question that the current system benefits
stay-at-home Moms, since stay-at-home Moms receive benefits upon
retirement without ever paying for current benefits during their
work-elgible years. (Note, I am arguing against my own interest
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kotlikoff's PSS plan
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Those folks got a lot more than they paid inas a fraction
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Those are the two choices, eh? Nothing or cut to 73 percent when?
If we make no changes, SS trustee's best estimate is that there will
only be money to pay 73% of scheduled benefits in 2042. Surely you knew
this? It is printed on the SS statement they
Just found a site with lotsa interesting statistics @
http://tinyurl.com/ym2l
I think figs. 1 and 2 are particularly relevant.
Dan M.
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* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
But, my generation supported higher taxes on itself to partially pay
for our own generation. Right now, our taxes have put 3.3 trillion
into the trust fund for our own retirement. It should near 5 trillion
by 2010 (or about 40% of GDP). The change
Erik Reuter wrote:
Your stated choice is to do nothing now because it is only a future
crisis.
Really? When and where did I state that as my choice? I can clearly
recall saying that how we respond to an impending crisis is different
from how we might react to a present one. Aren't you saying
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Care to tell us a little bit about yourself?
What do you do for a living?
What are your interests?
And quick, what are you doing about the Social Security Crisis?
;-)
Nick
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http://www.andyfoulds.co.uk/amusement/economists.htm
[Shockwave/Flash required]
I don't usually click on these things, but I thought this one was
hilarious.
What Noise Traders look like.
Reminds me of cats, actually.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The administration and its language of crisis is what I have been
talking about all along. No change.
I see. Somebody give this man an inkblot test
What do you see in this one? [shows inkblot]
Bush.
And this one? [shows another inkblot]
Bush.
Perhaps it had a Bush-y tail.
~Maru
Y'know Bush doesn't give many press conferences. Maybe cat's got his
tongue? :)
Erik Reuter wrote:
...
How about this one [shows picture of a cat]
Bush!
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Behalf Of Trent Shipley
If you are interested please, reply to Brin-L. (Effectively
this is a blank-check form of RSVP.)
I'm interested in participating. I'm not a huge participant in the
chats but I do occassionally.
- jmh
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Erik,
I see. Somebody give this man an inkblot test
What do you see in this one? [shows inkblot]
Bush.
And this one? [shows another inkblot]
Bush.
How about this one [shows picture of a cat]
Bush!
I think it went more like this:
What do you see in this one?
[Shows an inkblot of a thing
At 01:13 PM 1/19/2005 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
Speaking of Afghanistan, I'm going out tonight on a date to an Afghan
restaurant. Anyone had the cuisine and care to recommend anything?
The one time I ate at such a restaurant there were only about four choices
on the menu. Just go for whatever
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think it went more like this:
Think again. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a Bush
supporter. Kotlikoff, the person I was quoting originally (which Nick
replied to) is a college professor, not in the Bush administration. Nick
has Bush on the
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kotlikoff's PSS plan
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
But, my generation supported higher taxes on itself to
At 05:11 PM 1/19/2005 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
And quick, what are you doing about the Social Security Crisis?
OH wait a Republican won the election and election plans to do something
about it.Nevermind then, Crisis Solved(until we can get a
Democratic Plan in there)
On Jan 19, 2005, at 7:38 PM, JDG wrote:
At 05:11 PM 1/19/2005 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
And quick, what are you doing about the Social Security Crisis?
OH wait a Republican won the election and election plans to do
something
about it.Nevermind then, Crisis Solved(until we can get a
At 09:15 AM 1/19/2005 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
I hear Bush warning us of financial
instruments of mass destruction and I remember how lousy the analysis
was the last time he offered a big warning about mass destruction. Fool
me once, shame on me...
Oh good grief.Does noone in the
On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:16 PM, JDG wrote:
Your above paragraph is downright shameful. Its as if Bush is just
making up the Social Security crisis (or that he made up the Iraq
crisis.)
Um.
He is.
And he did.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
On Jan 19, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Erik Reuter wrote:
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think it went more like this:
Think again. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a Bush
supporter. Kotlikoff, the person I was quoting originally (which Nick
replied to) is a college professor, not in the
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
John's got enough hot gas to suit all of SoCal's geothermal
needs well into the next millennium, which is why there's no
longer an energy crisis there either.
Sorry, that's not a feasible solution. You'd have to find an
economical way to pump the gas all the way from DC.
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Jan 19, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Erik Reuter wrote:
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think it went more like this:
Think again. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a Bush
supporter. Kotlikoff, the person I was quoting originally (which
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
It may be helpful to look at the fraction of SS tax going to paying
for the present generation (both retirement and disability) and for
future use. By decade the % of SS taxes being put away for the future
is:
I don't think it is so helpful. The most
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
If it were, then we wouldn't have fixed things in the early '80s.
We did not fix things in the early 80's.
But, I...as I think others doreserve the word crisis for something
that may collapse on us if we don't address it soon. I think our
We saw the geneticist/metabolic specialist today.
Some of the blood tests she'd ordered when he was in the hospital still
haven't come back. They should have been back a couple of weeks ago.
She re-ordered those. Assuming that Tommy is feeling well enough on
Friday (we *all* have a cold,
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:35:48 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Welcome to the list Mauro!
Care to tell us a little bit about yourself?
What do you do for a living?
What are your interests?
A little about myself? To start with the chatroom cliché, I'm
mid-30's and male. I'm
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:52:19 -0330, Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
scratching head
Doesn't every book have people escaping tyranny by going to another planet,
struggling to survive on the new planet with tyranny following them, and
then those people fighting for their freedom?
computers for a living, and like most who do tech support here in the
U.S., I live with a constant but low-level fear of my job being
outsourced and am currently considering other career options.
Yep. I'm getting the axe come March 1st, and I'm looking. Somewhat
demoralizing to know an Indian
On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:35 PM, Steve Sloan wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
John's got enough hot gas to suit all of SoCal's geothermal
needs well into the next millennium, which is why there's no
longer an energy crisis there either.
Sorry, that's not a feasible solution. You'd have to find an
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:34:37 -0500, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:13 PM 1/19/2005 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
Speaking of Afghanistan, I'm going out tonight on a date to an Afghan
restaurant. Anyone had the cuisine and care to recommend anything?
The one time I ate at such a restaurant
In a message dated 1/19/2005 9:29:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A little about myself? To start with the chatroom cliché, I'm
mid-30's and male. I'm happily married with no children. My wife and
I live with two cats (own is far too strong a word). I
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:13 PM 1/19/2005 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
Speaking of Afghanistan, I'm going out tonight on a date to an Afghan
restaurant. Anyone had the cuisine and care to recommend anything?
The one time I ate at such a restaurant there were only about four
Erik Reuter wrote:
Think again. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a Bush
supporter. Kotlikoff, the person I was quoting originally (which Nick
replied to) is a college professor, not in the Bush administration. Nick
has Bush on the Brain.
In this particular issue, you are making the same
--- Mauro Diotallevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:34:37 -0500, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:13 PM 1/19/2005 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
Speaking of Afghanistan, I'm going out tonight on a date to an Afghan
restaurant. Anyone had the cuisine and care to recommend
kerri miller wrote:
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:13 PM 1/19/2005 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
Speaking of Afghanistan, I'm going out tonight on a date to an
Afghan restaurant. Anyone had the cuisine and care to recommend
anything?
The one time I ate at such a restaurant there were
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
M.Cardamom!
It /was/ a little silly after a while.. cardamom, mint, and cilantro in
almost everything ^_^ Even the baklava had a hefty dose of cardamom on
top..
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