Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
I wasn't looking for data to respond to the religion-bashing that we enjoy now and then around here, but I happened across some that seemed too good to ignore. It is from Robert Putnam's Social Capital Benchmark Survey, which can be found in various places online. Here are some of the

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 4:32 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: I wasn't looking for data to respond to the religion-bashing that we enjoy now and then around here, but I happened across some that seemed too good to ignore. It is from Robert Putnam's Social Capital Benchmark Survey, which can be found

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 5:06 pm, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 4:32 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: I wasn't looking for data to respond to the religion-bashing that we enjoy now and then around here, but I happened across some that seemed too good to ignore. It is from Robert Putnam's

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Of course the religious are keen to volunteer to interfere in the lives of the unfortunate - this is a golden opportunity to disseminate the virulent poison of their evil religious memes. Isn't a perspective unassailable by argument, no

Re: The disease of the mind

2005-06-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:00 PM, Dave Land wrote: Lovely thoughts to cool impassioned minds from Hsin Hsin Ming, (Verses on the Faith Mind): The tao is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 7:22 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Of course the religious are keen to volunteer to interfere in the lives of the unfortunate - this is a golden opportunity to disseminate the virulent poison of their evil religious

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:06:16 +0100, William T Goodall wrote The same goes for politics - if you are an evil busybody filled with religious hatred who wants to interfere in other people's lives *of course* you get involved in politics. And mailing lists, too! I see a number of people on

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:05 +0100, William T Goodall wrote Indeed I find the whole idea of faith-based 'charitable' organisations getting involved with vulnerable people utterly obnoxious. They quite plainly have a not-so-hidden agenda, and aid being tied to evangelism is simply

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 9:32 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:06:16 +0100, William T Goodall wrote The same goes for politics - if you are an evil busybody filled with religious hatred who wants to interfere in other people's lives *of course* you get involved in politics. And

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 9:36 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:05 +0100, William T Goodall wrote Indeed I find the whole idea of faith-based 'charitable' organisations getting involved with vulnerable people utterly obnoxious. They quite plainly have a not-so-hidden agenda, and

Re: The disease of the mind

2005-06-23 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:00 PM, Dave Land wrote: Lovely thoughts to cool impassioned minds from Hsin Hsin Ming, (Verses on the Faith Mind): The tao is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Frank Schmidt
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Re: Gulags

2005-06-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Gulags On 6/13/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are focusing on one section in several Geneva Conventions. I will

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes something good? Why, don't you know? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog :

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:59 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 9:36 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:05 +0100, William T Goodall wrote Indeed I find the whole idea of faith-based 'charitable' organisations getting involved with vulnerable people utterly

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes something good? Why, don't you know? I think you're being intentionally obtuse, but on the chance that

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:54 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes something good? Why, don't you know? I think you're

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:54 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:54 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes something good? Why, don't you know? I think

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:57 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:54 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, Dave Land wrote: Use additional sheets if necessary. 400 thread count or better would be good. That reminds me of this story http://tinyurl.com/a978z about the Baptist preacher and Klansman who

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:12 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:54 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:59:18 +0100, William T Goodall wrote It's a symptom of how infested and rotten with religion America is that Americans think charities controlled by partisan and unaccountable religious organisations are preferable to a proper social welfare system. The current

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 23 Jun 2005, at 11:24 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:12 PM, William T Goodall wrote: LOL. If you think those are plain and simple questions your mind is obviously very much more clouded than mine. I submit that the questions are very plain and quite simple. In normal

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 23, 2005, at 5:27 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 11:24 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:12 PM, William T Goodall wrote: LOL. If you think those are plain and simple questions your mind is obviously very much more clouded than mine. I submit that the

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:27 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 11:24 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:12 PM, William T Goodall wrote: LOL. If you think those are plain and simple questions your mind is obviously very much more clouded than mine. I submit that the

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 24 Jun 2005, at 2:05 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Perhaps he was suggesting that your earlier remarks in this thread suggested that you felt that the questions had, if not exactly simple, at least straightforward answers, such as religion = evil. I said 'religion is evil', not 'evil is

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread William T Goodall
On 24 Jun 2005, at 2:08 am, Dave Land wrote: I never said that providing answers to these simple questions was simple: that was your (possibly intentional) misinterpretation. But you are right in that my ad hominem attack was unwarranted, if not unprovoked. I apologize for it. I

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:54 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes something good? Why, don't

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Damon Agretto
One instance would be an anecdote. Establishing a pattern of behaviour from many instances isn't. If religion is so good why is it so bad? Pulling news articles off the Internet is still anecdotical, since such methodology by its nature cannot represent a significant portion of the

Re: Gulags

2005-06-23 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Gulags From an article on POW's or Unlawful Combatants http://www.crimesofwar.org/expert/pow-intro.html You

Supreme Court: Home May Be Seized

2005-06-23 Thread Gary Nunn
This is more than just a little disturbing to me. The abuses of Eminent Domain continue.. Homes may be 'taken' for private projects Justices: Local governments can give OK if it's for public good Excerpts from the article... WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local

Re: Supreme Court: Home May Be Seized

2005-06-23 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/23/2005 8:41:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random, O'Connor wrote Oh hell yes. I don't think the law on civic

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 10:06 pm, Frank Schmidt wrote: Questions to William: What is it that makes something evil? What is it that makes something good? Why, don't you know? It's an interesting pair of questions, and I notice you've

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:52 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 7:22 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Of course the religious are keen to volunteer to interfere in the lives of the unfortunate - this is a golden opportunity to

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:44 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:52 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 7:22 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Of course the religious are keen to volunteer to interfere in the lives of

Who to blame . . .

2005-06-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
[23 June] 1868, Christopher Latham Sholes received a patent for his Type-Writer. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Who to blame . . .

2005-06-23 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/23/2005 10:02:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [23 June] 1868, Christopher Latham Sholes received a patent for his Type-Writer. But it was Don Marquis who in 1916, gave it to a cockroach. Vilyehm.

Re: Religion and social capital

2005-06-23 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:44 PM Thursday 6/23/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:52 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Jun 2005, at 7:22 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Of course the religious are keen to volunteer to

Re: The disease of the mind

2005-06-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Dave Land wrote: I've carried on with Dan a little about the idea of relative evil, or that social context provides the backdrop against which actions are judged to be meritorious or wrongful. This dovetails with the above passage in the sense that as soon as we

Re: Who to blame . . .

2005-06-23 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/2005 10:02:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [23 June] 1868, Christopher Latham Sholes received a patent for his Type-Writer. But it was Don Marquis who in 1916, gave it to a cockroach. I like Don Marquis'

Re: The disease of the mind

2005-06-23 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Dave Land wrote: It bears noting that this is an extraordinarily liberal view of the Bible, which puts a lot of people off. I'm hardly surprised. There are several beloved sacred cows being tipped here. I knew a couple of girls who went