Re: Personhood (was: Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread Charlie Bell
On 31/08/2008, at 2:54 PM, Olin Elliott wrote: On 30/08/2008 Charlie Bell wrote: ...there are some people that believe human life starts at birth. There are a few (a very few) that believe it starts when humans attain sapience (Peter Singer is one). There are many that think it starts at

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread Richard Baker
Alberto said: So you believe that the logic of capitalism should be used to decide on who lives or who dies? For example, think how many children's lives in Africa could be saved if we took all those infected with HIV, gassed them, burned their bodies (in an anthropothermic power plant -

Re: Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 31 Aug 2008, at 03:45, Charlie Bell wrote: If you're trolling back at Will, please stop it. One like him on this list is enough. Who's a naughty boy then? Ad Hominem Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog :

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 06:17 PM Friday 8/29/2008, Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn! wrote: Being there. A faulty memory is a poor cite. That is an obvious statement with which anyone would have to agree. ;) Not only wasn't inflation anywhere near 20% during the Carter administration, Somebody has

Re: Personhood (was: Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:54 PM Saturday 8/30/2008, Olin Elliott wrote: When pro-life advocates start defending all life I'll take them seriously. Olin So you're a strict vegan? No Wisecracks About 26 Light Years Maru . . . ronn! :) ___

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:30 PM Saturday 8/30/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 30 Aug 2008, at 23:53, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: Just think of how many children's' lives in Africa could be saved with the resources used to support the world's first surviving set of

RE: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread Dan M
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin B. O'Brien Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:57 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Teaching multiple models of science The problem with teaching creationism in a

Re: Personhood (was: Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread Olin Elliott
So you're a strict vegan? No Wisecracks About 26 Light Years Maru I'm a vegetarian, became one some years ago when I just ran out of excuses. Because I like it didn't' seem like enough reason to keep supporting the industry that produces our meat in this age. I'm working toward veganism,

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 31 Aug 2008, at 15:29, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: McCain just said on whatever Sunday morning show he's being interviewed on right now that those who have lost their sense of humor ought to turn off their computers and go outside and get a breath of fresh air. Everybody knows the proper

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread Olin Elliott
McCain just said on whatever Sunday morning show he's being interviewed on right now that those who have lost their sense of humor ought to turn off their computers and go outside and get a breath of fresh air. So does that mean he intends Sarah Palin as a joke? Olin - Original Message

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:13 AM Sunday 8/31/2008, William T Goodall wrote: Running gag Maru I hope someone finally caught him and gave him the Heimlich maneuver. . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 31 Aug 2008, at 16:14, Olin Elliott wrote: McCain just said on whatever Sunday morning show he's being interviewed on right now that those who have lost their sense of humor ought to turn off their computers and go outside and get a breath of fresh air. So does that mean he intends

Science and Ideals.

2008-08-31 Thread Dan M
Having brought up science earlier, it seems reasonable to choose this time to address a prevalent understanding: that the questions of ethics, human interaction, etc. are all definable and resolvable in a scientific manner. Indeed if we look at harmful ideologies developed over the past 150 or so

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Dan M wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin B. O'Brien Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:57 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Teaching multiple models of science The problem with teaching

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:04, Dan M wrote: Having brought up science earlier, it seems reasonable to choose this time to address a prevalent understanding: that the questions of ethics, human interaction, etc. are all definable and resolvable in a scientific manner. Indeed if we look at

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 31 Aug 2008, at 19:13, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: Dan M wrote: I wouldn't put it that way, because there are a wealth of possible future tests. And theories that have been falsified are still taught in science class...in fact most physics that is being taught has been

Re: Personhood (was: Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 31 Aug 2008, at 16:10, Olin Elliott wrote: So you're a strict vegan? No Wisecracks About 26 Light Years Maru I'm a vegetarian, became one some years ago when I just ran out of excuses. Because I like it didn't' seem like enough reason to keep supporting the industry that produces

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: ... So does that mean he intends Sarah Palin as a joke? The latest rumours about her are pretty funny %-} http://www.spartacuslives.org/node/20463 William-- That is interesting. One never knows, but those are a lot of pictures of her not showing as pregnant. So

ATL : Drobo

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
I've been looking into getting a RAID backup system for my home (my current mixture of Firewire drives is cumbersome and not all backed up) and the Drobo looks quite attractive. I had thought of going NAS too, but cheap NAS RAID (Thecus, Acer Altos, Freecom, Synology) all seem to have

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread David Hobby
(Sorry about the titles. I just replied about Sarah Palin in the Honest Terminology thread, and in the Sarah Palin thread, I'm talking about honest terminology.) William T Goodall wrote: On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:54, David Hobby wrote: ... William-- I truly admire the subtlety with which you

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:18, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: ... So does that mean he intends Sarah Palin as a joke? The latest rumours about her are pretty funny %-} http://www.spartacuslives.org/node/20463 William-- That is interesting. One never knows, but those are a lot

Abortion (was Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children, very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA. Now this happens to be the same term adopted by some religious

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: (Sorry about the titles. I just replied about Sarah Palin in the Honest Terminology thread, and in the Sarah Palin thread, I'm talking about honest terminology.) William T Goodall wrote: On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:54, David Hobby wrote: ...

Re: Honest terminology

2008-08-31 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:18, David Hobby wrote: ... Seriously, if true, the rumor immediately disqualifies her. Not for lying, not for hypocrisy, but for being dumb enough to think she could get away with it. If it's not true it's amusing payback for the Republican

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: ... William-- No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children, very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA. No it doesn't. Children

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-31 Thread William T Goodall
On 1 Sep 2008, at 02:32, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: ... If you start counting zygotes as children then IUDs and morning after pills are infanticide. That's just wackjob wingnut daft. Well, they are preventing things from

Re: Abortion (was Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:16 PM Sunday 8/31/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children, very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA. Now

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 01:40 PM Sunday 8/31/2008, William T Goodall wrote: On 31 Aug 2008, at 19:13, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: Dan M wrote: I wouldn't put it that way, because there are a wealth of possible future tests. And theories that have been falsified are still taught in science class...in fact

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 01:40 PM Sunday 8/31/2008, William T Goodall wrote: I was taught that 22/7 was a handy approximation for pi but I wasn't taught that it was pi. Just like those things sold at McDonald's and similar fast food places may be handy but are at best approximations of pie. Caution: Filling

Re: Teaching multiple models of science

2008-08-31 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
William T Goodall wrote: On 31 Aug 2008, at 19:13, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: In a class that is about how science develops, that could well make sense. I taught a class some years ago on History of Science, and that is something I tried to bring into it. But I would (and did) insist that

RE: Science and Ideals.

2008-08-31 Thread Dan M
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 1:17 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Science and Ideals. On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:04, Dan M wrote: Having brought up