Re: Gen. Colin Powell, Pres. Obama's Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread Euan Ritchie
I think that Powell actually was fed incomplete or untrue information which he then delivered. It's those who lied to him who are most at fault. That is incredible. An experienced General grade officer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff serving as the Secretary of State with

Re: Gen. Colin Powell, Pres. Obama's Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread Euan Ritchie
Plus a long and distinguished career in the military, Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and as the National Security Advisor. His career wasn't so distinguished. His attempt to white wash U.S massacres of Vietnamese villagers (such as My Lai) doesn't reflect well on him either. Can honor

Re: Gen. Colin Powell, Pres. Obama's Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: It's like the people running around accusing Obama of being a Muslim -- it's inaccurate, but they may have been lied to by people who want to turn opinion against Obama, and not be intending to

Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion)

2008-10-21 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 15 Oct 2008 at 11:37, William T Goodall wrote: It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto. Obvious Maru You posted a Manifesto? AndrewC Yes, I went there Maru Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-21 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 19 Oct 2008 at 19:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... Said it before, say it again: You're far too forgiving. On forum / list / wiki moderation, I fall into the

Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 21, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 19 Oct 2008 at 19:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... Said it before, say it again: You're far too

Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-21 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Dave Land wrote: On Oct 21, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 19 Oct 2008 at 19:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... Said it

Re: monotonous posting

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also like the one that goes One has two ears and one mouth, and should use them in that proportion. Don't forget the ten typing fingers. Vs. 2 eyes for

Re: monotonous posting

2008-10-21 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also like the one that goes One has two ears and one mouth, and should use them in that proportion. Don't forget

Re: TV Zeitgeist

2008-10-21 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:21 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:59, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _My Own Worst Enemy_ seems to have a very similar concept to the forthcoming

Asperger Syndrome

2008-10-21 Thread Jon Louis Mann
... depending on what it is, I can type faster than half as fast as I can read at times. I've freaked people out with my typing speed. Julia Very impressive! That was one of the things I admired about my ex-wife. Her hands flew over the keyboard in a blur. In her case, however,

Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I have to ask -- would it be so unimaginably bad to have a Muslim holding public office in this country? The most disturbing part of the rumor to me isn't the suggestion that he might be, it's the implication behind the rumor that that would be a reason to disqualify him from office.

Re: Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread Lance A. Brown
Jon Louis Mann wrote: I would prefer Wesley Clark as Sec'y of Defense and give Colin Powell a chance to redeem himself as Sec'y of State. Clark would be a good choice for Sec. of Defense as well. I'm not sure I'd put Powell back in at State. Seems like asking a bit much of the world's

Re: Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: There is a lot of hysteria against Muslims in this country, even before 9/11, so that now it even exceeds racism against Blacks. Obama will be vilified by many because he is half black and has an Arab middle name. All the more

Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I would prefer Wesley Clark as Sec'y of Defense and give Colin Powell a chance to redeem himself as Sec'y of State. Clark would be a good choice for Sec. of Defense as well. I'm not sure I'd put Powell back in at State. Seems like asking a bit much of the world's nations to accept

Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread Wayne Eddy
Has anyone thought much about the future list? What it will be or should be like in 5, 10, 20, 50 or 100 years time? Are people joining leaving at an accelerating, decelerating or constant rate? Is its demographic changing over time? Has its purpose changed over time? Should its purpose be

Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Jon Louis Mann
There is a lot of hysteria against Muslims in this country, even before 9/11, so that now it even exceeds racism against Blacks. Obama will be vilified by many because he is half black and has an Arab middle name. Jon All the more reason, IMHO, to grab that bull by the horns

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should it move to a newer type of platform? Facebook or a wiki maybe? Does the list have a life of its own? Does it somehow attract the type of member that will enable it live forever? Are monotonous posts and trolls and

Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-21 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 21 Oct 2008 at 7:48, Dave Land wrote: On Oct 21, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 19 Oct 2008 at 19:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh...

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: Has anyone thought much about the future list? What it will be or should be like in 5, 10, 20, 50 or 100 years time? Are people joining leaving at an accelerating, decelerating or constant rate? Is its demographic changing over time? Has

Re: Secretary of Defense

2008-10-21 Thread John Garcia
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: I would prefer Wesley Clark as Sec'y of Defense and give Colin Powell a chance to redeem himself as Sec'y of State. Clark would be a good choice for Sec. of Defense as well. I'm not sure I'd put

Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
I might, or might not. Choosing someone for a public office based on their gender/religion/ethnicity first and their qualifications second is as offensive to me in the case of choosing a qualified Hispanic woman as it is a qualified white man. (I'm willing to make an exception in the

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:46 AM Subject: Re: Future of the list / Questions? I hate to pre-announce... but I'm working on installing a blog interface. I

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 21, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: I hate to pre-announce... but I'm working on installing a blog interface. I also hope to mirror that blog to another server, as backup. Nick Good idea. William can do a blog on 'Why Religion is Evil'. John can do a blog about 'Why

Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Jon Louis Mann wrote: I agree, but only because the economic collapse has actually made it likely that he will be elected. I still would have preferred that Obama picked a qualified Hispanic woman for his VP. Jon Like, say, J-Lo? Alberto Monteiro PS: fwiw, here's the uncyclopedia page

Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I might, or might not. Choosing someone for a public office — or any job — based on their gender/religion*/ethnicity first and their qualifications second is as offensive to me in the case of choosing a qualified Hispanic woman as it is a

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:07 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:46 AM Subject: Re: Future of the list / Questions? I hate to pre-announce... but

Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I might, or might not. Choosing someone for a public office — or any job — based on their gender/religion*/ethnicity first and their qualifications second is as offensive to

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Oct 2008, at 21:58, Bruce Bostwick wrote: There's an interesting sort of social dynamic to successful online forums that seems to have been fairly constant since the dialup BBS days -- I notice a lot of commonalities between an unusually successful local BBS I used to frequent back in

The Power Of Nightmares

2008-10-21 Thread Rceeberger
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22power+of+nightmares%22hl=en# A nice BBC series that shows parallels between the rise of the Neo-Conservatives and the rise of the Radical Islamists. Fairly comprehensive. xponent Info Dumps Maru rob ___

Re: TV Zeitgeist

2008-10-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:27, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:21 AM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:59, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _My Own Worst Enemy_ seems to have

Re: Future of the list / Questions?

2008-10-21 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, William T Goodall wrote: An email list represents the bazaar model of idea exchange. One can simply ignore threads of discourse one isn't interested in and killfile those that are irrelevant or pointless. Any more complicated model with ratings, peer trust networks,

Re: monotonous posting

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also like the one that goes One has two ears and one mouth, and

Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:53 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I might, or might not. Choosing someone for a public office — or any job — based on their gender/religion*/ethnicity

RE: TV Zeitgeist

2008-10-21 Thread Max Battcher
WTG wrote: The fifth-columnist aspect of that is somewhat relevant but I think the dual-identity theme although related is different. I don't have an explanation and am just putting it up for discussion but it's interesting that the TV Zeitgeist has thrown this up this year. I suspect that

Re: Racial and religious bigotry

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 04:03 PM Tuesday 10/21/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I might, or might not. Choosing someone for a public office — or any job — based on their gender/religion*/ethnicity first and