On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Warren Ockrassawar...@nightwares.com wrote:
But you're not restricted from any of them.
You listed certain things with minimal restrictions, but not ones that
have more substantial restrictions.
Can they? When was the last time you had to pay a full-billed
John:
I just don't live on the same planet that you do, I guess.
There is nothing you wrote in the last post that makes rational or
compassionate sense to me. There is nothing I can respond to. We're
too different.
All I can say is that I'm glad the Libertarians and Ayn Rand
worshippers
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Warren Ockrassawar...@nightwares.com wrote:
There is nothing you wrote in the last post that makes rational or
compassionate sense to me. There is nothing I can respond to. We're too
different.
Everyone is different. That makes the world an interesting and
John wrote:
I think I see a communication problem here. You talk of the free
market as if it were a thing, like a replicator on Star Trek that
provides food. When I talk of a free market, I mean the state of not
restricting or coercing people in their choices to freely interact
with each
Charlie said:
It originated a long time before Benjy. Traders in the Mediterranean
used a form of insurance to indemnify the trader against loss if the
cargo was stolen, and mutualised risk was used by Chinese traders
(who would spread their cargos across many vessels to lower the
total
On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:20 AM, John Williams wrote:
There are also people who do not seem to know what freedom actually
means. Nor respect, respect enough to understand that each person
knows what is best for themselves.
Evidently, for some people, freedom means the right to refuse to
John wrote:
No, it was not. The myriad government restrictions have a significant
effect on costs.
If regulations and restrictions have such a detrimental effect then why do
other, more restrictive nations have much more efficient and effective
health care systems?
Doug
Dave said:
Your presumption of the freedom to behave this way comes an
exorbitant cost to others on this
list, but you seem to have no problem demanding that we pay that
price.
Really? And there I was thinking that it was easy to skim or skip
posts that don't interest you, and even
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
No, there is no communication problem. In its most basic definition, a free
market is a market that is free from government intervention. What has
become painfully obvious in recent years is that as the market frees itself
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
If regulations and restrictions have such a detrimental effect then why do
other, more restrictive nations have much more efficient and effective
health care systems?
That is a complicated subject, and I do not believe I
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Dave Landdml...@gmail.com wrote:
Your presumption of the
freedom to behave this way comes an exorbitant cost to others on this
list, but you seem to have no problem demanding that we pay that price.
I respect your freedom to choose not to pay that price. I
On 18/07/2009, at 5:33 PM, Richard Baker wrote:
Charlie said:
It originated a long time before Benjy. Traders in the
Mediterranean used a form of insurance to indemnify the trader
against loss if the cargo was stolen, and mutualised risk was used
by Chinese traders (who would spread
Charlie said:
Yeah, that's what I was alluding to with Mediterranean traders.
Guaranteed by Hamurabi (sp?) himself, IIRC.
Oh, okay. And yes, it's mentioned in Hammurabi's law code (which was
probably a set of examples of what the king would do or had done in
different circumstances
Which is to say that you believe you know better how people should
spend their money than they do themselves. That people need to have
their money confiscated and spent by the intellectual elite since
otherwise people would spend it on a bunch of crap.
No, what I believe is that regarding
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
No, what I believe is that regarding matters that effect a group of people
we often make better, more responsible choices when we act as a group rather
than as an individual. We are inherently selfish, but we understand that
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.orgwrote:
Franklin founded the first one in the States, arguably the first of the
modern mutuals. But he didn't invent shared or mutualised risk.
Risk has been mutual forever. John Donne said it well:
No man is an island,
Kevin wrote:
Consider Phlebas first, right Charlie? 8^)
That was the first (and so far only) Banks book I have tried. I got about
half-way before I gave up.
Regards,
--
Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL
zwil...@zwilnik.com Linux User #333216
I don't want to achieve immortality
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No chutzpah required, since I am
Hi Doug, everyone.
I think that both groups the free market sometimes make better decisions than
individuals, but that the answer to life the universe and everything, returning
to the moon and health care, is finding ways to allow groups to make better
decisions than individuals every single
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com wrote:
No, there is no communication problem. In its most basic definition, a
free market is a market that is free from government intervention. What has
become painfully obvious in recent years is that as the market frees
Kevin wrote:
I wrote:
Consider Phlebas first, right Charlie? 8^)
That was the first (and so far only) Banks book I have tried. I got about
half-way before I gave up.
Hey, to each his own. CP is one of my favorite books, period, but if we
all liked the same stuff the world would be
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10289983-56.html
. . . ronn! :)
I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon.
I never dreamed that I would see the last.
--Dr. Jerry Pournelle
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