William T Goodall wrote:
On 6 Sep 2006, at 4:13PM, Brother John wrote:
Richard Baker wrote:
If not, then I fail to see how the religious and atheist positions
differ.
Or: how does God Himself decide what is good and evil? Isn't He, at
least, basically in the same position as us atheists
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I think you should be careful to define _what_ are the goals,
so that you can define what is good and what is evil. If the
goal is the long-range survival of intelligence and diversity,
or even of diversity of intelligence, then killing weak babies
is evil.
But it
William T Goodall wrote:
The atheists eat less babies than the theists though due to having a
rationally designed, probably vegetarian, diet.
There is nothing rational about a vegetarian diet. Vegetarianism is just
a form of holier-than-thou for atheists.
John W. Redelfs
Richard Baker wrote:
If not, then I fail to see how the religious and atheist positions differ.
Or: how does God Himself decide what is good and evil? Isn't He, at
least, basically in the same position as us atheists?
I guess so, unless he himself has a God as I believe.
John W. Redelfs
Richard Baker wrote:
JohnR said:
What we really need is an OS with all of the advantages of XP and
Ubuntu and none of the disadvantages of either. Then maybe we
would have a decent operating system.
That's called OS X. Oh, except for the fact that OS X is much easier
to use (and
Richard Baker wrote:
JohnR said:
Or you could buy a machine with lots of RAM, hard drive and a fast chip.
Then install VMware and a half dozen operating systems and use all of
them at the same time. I wonder if anyone finds doing that to be
useful?
I tried doing that at work but the
Gibson Jonathan wrote:
Greetings compatriots,
I note the last few days have seen a small wave of 9-11
collusion/conspiracy events worth bringing up as they appear to shed
yet more light on this heated topic. I'm still digesting what we've
already been writing and following up on and I'd
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 01/08/2006, at 8:45 AM, Brother John wrote:
As a child that raised white mice and rats as much as I did snakes, I
can attest that white rats are much, much better pets than white
mice. Mice bite and their urine stinks something awful. Neither is
true of white rats
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Collapse by Jarred Diamond
Part One: Modern Montana
Chapter One: Under Montana's Big Sky
[...]
A similarity to my home town of Morgan Hill, Ca. to the Bitterroot
Valley is the contrast in attitudes of the old timers; farmers and
ranchers with sizeable land holdings and
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Are you a fundy? Do you believe that the earth and heavens were
created in six days approximately 6000 years ago?
No, I think that the six days mentioned in the Bible are more properly
thought of as six creative periods each of which is of indeterminate
length. Each of
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Brother John wrote:
Consider the marvelous book by Jared Diamond called /Guns, Germs and
Steel. /It is almost all conjecture. It is very good conjecture
perhaps, but conjecture nevertheless.
Have you read it?
Yes, I read it. And I really enjoyed the first half. Then I
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Well, if we don't reproduce, we will just be replaced. That is just
a biological fact. We can agonize and discuss endlessly the moral
and religious aspects, but simple biology dictates that there is a
relationship between nativity and mortality. And that if a species or
Julia Thompson wrote:
1) Not all people are suitable for parenthood. It's not easy. I
have respect for people who decide that they're not going to be as
good at parenting as their children would deserve.
2) If you decide you want a child, you'd better be prepared for the
possibility of
Charlie Bell wrote:
Your lack of imagination is unsurprising.
Recently, a cat baiting exercise near my old house resulted in the
poisoning of many pet and stray cats. Including all three of mine.
This was done for pest control reasons by some locals.
3 months later, there is a serious rat
Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote:
'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before
yanking some chains.
No, he isn't.
IAWTC.
IAWTC? I'm not familiar with that acronym. --JWR
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
And FWIW :) the way I know that Brother John is not someone who has
been here before and likes to yank chains is that I have known
Brother John from elsewhere probably almost as long as I have been a
member of this list . . .
Yes, Ronn. If you have known the members
Julia Thompson wrote:
Brother John wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
1) Not all people are suitable for parenthood. It's not easy. I
have respect for people who decide that they're not going to be as
good at parenting as their children would deserve.
2) If you decide you want a child, you'd
Nick Arnett wrote:
On 7/29/06, Brother John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We ourselves used to be
an enormously fertile and prolific people. Our ascendancy over the
Native Americans who were here before us is as much a factor of the
difference in our relative birthrates as anything else.
Cite
Horn, John wrote:
On Behalf Of Nick Arnett
On 7/29/06, Brother John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We ourselves used to be
an enormously fertile and prolific people. Our ascendancy over
the
Native Americans who were here before us is as much a factor
Gibson Jonathan wrote:
Wow, you sound like a real bummed out grump on this. I grew up in
white-bread Oregon and long held the view that place needed some salsa
in the worst way. Our culture would be terminally bland and insular if
we were only breeding as you seem to advocate. Our melting pot
Gibson Jonathan wrote:
We have three cats who have made a serious dent in the gopher
population in our neighborhood - without poisons. Playful ribbing
aside, they have been much more patient and ardent hunters than the
dogs around here. It's also quite a sight to see our smallish felines
The Fool wrote:
From: Charlie Bell
On 30/07/2006, at 1:03 PM, The Fool wrote:
Well if you mean writing. The sphynx is estimated as being 8000+
years ago.
About 1-2000 years after the domestication of the cat.
Domestication? ;)
Parasitication?
The only good use I've
Richard Baker wrote:
Charlie said:
It seems to me that most of the atheists I know are just as ethical
as anyone else, and spend a lot of time thinking about social
responsibility and equality issues.
We have to spend a lot of time thinking about ethics because we're
unlucky enough not to
Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Why would any adult not want to have children? Are they not a source
of almost infinite joy in the lives of those who have them? Are they
not great treasures? To pass up a chance for a child is like walking
by a 100 dollar bill on the sidewalk
Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations.
Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not
from earlier
Richard Baker wrote:
Brother John said:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations.
Where did those higher cultures come from in the first place if not
from earlier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Totally meaningless comment:
In a message dated 7/29/2006 3:26:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We know from a study of his skull and other bones .
Bottom line. I don't know. But I don't think anyone else does either.
I would
jdiebremse wrote:
Harder than the decision to carry the child to birth? Harder than
the decision to give up the child for adoption? Harder than the
decision to raise the child?
I don't like the way Brother John attempts to villify those who
choose abortion. I think those that choose
Charlie Bell wrote:
Where do you think our primitive cultures came from? They are all
descended from higher cultures, descended from the drop outs and
hippies of prior civilizations. Do you suppose that the Maya are
the only illiterate natives descended from high culture? If we had
the
William T Goodall wrote:
On 30 Jul 2006, at 1:31AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
Of course, I don't think that Brother John does anyone any favors
when he equates ova and sperm with zygotes and unborn children.
No, he equated sperm and zygotes
David Hobby wrote:
Welcome back. I think you're missing Charlie's point.
To me, his argument is that it is VERY hard to draw a clear
line between things that can turn into adult humans and things
that can't. I advise conceding the point, unless you just
like to argue for the fun of it. : )
Nick Arnett wrote:
I've read about this before, but it still just astonishes me that Katrina
survivors have lost civil rights as a result. They end up living in a
community where they are not free to talk to the press unless there is a
FEMA representative present. They can't have a landline
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:53 PM Sunday 7/23/2006, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 7/23/06, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 08:33 PM Sunday 7/23/2006, Nick Arnett wrote:
The last two days, my little indoor/outdoor thermometer has recorded a
high
temp of 117 degrees.
I suppose I
Julia Thompson wrote:
Gary Denton wrote:
He reasoned that the Supreme Court could not make it fertilization as
that would make most Americans guilty of murder as birth control
pills work by preventing fertilized eggs from attaching to the
uterine wall. It would not be the attachment to the
Gary Denton wrote:
Technically, 10,000 frozen embryos could be considered equal to 1,666
children considering the success rate of implantation. You could make
a case to rescue those instead of a hundred infants but in nearly all
foreseeable circumstance I wouldn't.
I don't consider frozen
At 11:48 AM 7/19/2006, Alberto Monteiro enlightened us with:
Maybe this is a Good Thing(tm), as it will improve the human
race with lots of Darwin-awards, culling motherlovelessness
from the human gene pool!
This has always been my feeling, but this is the first time I've
admitted it to
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