Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/09/2006, at 5:58 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 4 Sep 2006 at 5:36, Charlie Bell wrote: On 02/09/2006, at 6:41 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe... ...apart from all the major ID spokespeople have said at various

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 02/09/2006, at 6:41 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe... ...apart from all the major ID spokespeople have said at various times that the designer is God, and a number of them are YECs who were convinced that

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-03 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:36 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design The conflict is between people who think science

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-03 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Sep 2006 at 5:36, Charlie Bell wrote: On 02/09/2006, at 6:41 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe... ...apart from all the major ID spokespeople have said at various times that the designer is God, and a

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-03 Thread Charlie Bell
I don't know if you know who Billy Graham is, Charlie. He's the most famous American evangelical preacher of the last 50 years. ...and I've seen him evangelise. A friend of mine is sending me an email quoting Billy stating that evolution and Christianity are fully compatible He

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Sep 2006 at 22:10, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Aug 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: There have been growing signs the Pope is considering aligning his church more closely with the theory of intelligent design taught in some US states. So ... JPII wasn't infallible after

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:41 AM Saturday 9/2/2006, Andrew Crystall wrote: [snip] Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe...I, as many Jews, believe that G-d created..evoloution, and set in chain the process which lead to Man. And then what? Did He let things proceed on their

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe...I, as many Jews, believe that G-d created..evoloution, and set in chain the process which lead to Man. Do you believe that God chose the initial conditions such that humanity was an inevitable

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Sep 2006 at 18:39, Richard Baker wrote: Andrew said: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe...I, as many Jews, believe that G-d created..evoloution, and set in chain the process which lead to Man. Do you believe that God chose the initial

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Richard Baker
Andrew said: inevitable is a word which is loaded in itself, and as to outcome, I don't think we're quite at the end of the river yet. Well, it seems to me that religious people talk quite a lot about human dignity and humanity being made in the image of God in some sense, and it seems

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Ritu
Rich wrote: Well, it seems to me that religious people talk quite a lot about human dignity and humanity being made in the image of God in some sense, and it seems that in the Islamic/Christian/Jewish religion God has some kind of special interest in humans (or perhaps He is also

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Richard Baker
Ritu said: Have you read Steinbeck's _St. Katherine_? :) No, I haven't. I'll look out for it. On a related note, Vishnu's incarnations, though mostly meant to sort out the problems of the bipedals [though not just humans], take the form of a fish, a tortoise, a boar, man-lion hybrid etc.

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Ritu
Rich said: Have you read Steinbeck's _St. Katherine_? :) No, I haven't. I'll look out for it. Its a short story and the collection is called _The Red Pony_. A lot of good stories in there. :) Ritu ___

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Sep 2006 at 19:28, Richard Baker wrote: Andrew said: inevitable is a word which is loaded in itself, and as to outcome, I don't think we're quite at the end of the river yet. This being the case, it seems to me that these religions imply that humanity was supposed or intended to

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Baker Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:29 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design This being the case, it seems to me

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread David Hobby
Andrew Crystall wrote: ... You won't actually get many Rabbis willing to hold forth on pure ... That's why I brought up many-words/multiverse - in that, we are not unique snowflakes at all. There are at alpha versions of you, for example, if they're true. I'm not going to get into

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Sep 2006 at 20:04, David Hobby wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: ... You won't actually get many Rabbis willing to hold forth on pure ... That's why I brought up many-words/multiverse - in that, we are not unique snowflakes at all. There are at alpha versions of you, for example,

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-09-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Aug 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: There have been growing signs the Pope is considering aligning his church more closely with the theory of intelligent design taught in some US states. So … JPII wasn't infallible after all? What does that actually mean for the Papacy?

Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

2006-08-27 Thread William T Goodall
http://tinyurl.com/kdzyn John Hooper in Rome Monday August 28, 2006 Guardian Philosophers, scientists and other intellectuals close to Pope Benedict will gather at his summer palace outside Rome this week for intensive discussions that could herald a fundamental shift in the Vatican's