On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue
States I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat me
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote
... Europe will, to some extent, have closed the [military] gap
with where the US is _today_ by 2015.
When you talk about the `gap'
* do you mean the gap in fighting a symmetrical battle or
* do you mean the gap in running an
Gautam said:
Hi Rich. It's an interesting argument - I think I've
talked about it with you briefly. I just want to
point out, though, that I think you've stacked the
deck a little bit.
Yes, you did talk to me about it briefly, and I appreciate your comments
both then and now. I don't
- Original Message -
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Brin: Purple America
This also is true. The important thing, though, is not the gap between
the US and EU militaries
Damon said:
There are plenty of nations in Europe that have similar numbers to
the UK in terms of troops and quality equipment, so the argument
should be, rather, why does the UK commit itself to
power-projection where the other major European states do not (the
answer is simple for some,
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It depends on the crises. If the two crises were Iraq
and a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, we _could_ tackle
those 2 crises simultaneously.
What if they were an invasion by Mexico from the South
and Canada from the North? :-)
Alberto Monteiro
--- Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
= Most of the histories I've read suggest that after
Tet the VC ceased to be
an effective or meaningful field force, and the war
was almost entirely
shouldered by the NVA.
Damon.
Yeah, same here. My books on the Vietnam War are down
in
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What if they were an invasion by Mexico from the
South
and Canada from the North? :-)
Alberto Monteiro
Then, to paraphrase Bismarck, the President would call
out the police and have them arrested :-)
=
Gautam Mukunda
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--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd have to disagree. While there are many
differences, some of the
similarities are striking. In particular our
reluctance to use
overwhelming force, the reliance on training an
Iraqi army to deal with
the insurgency (in the Viet Nam
People who lived through the First World War
folded like a house of cards to Hitler, because they
(mis)interpreted the pre-war situation as one in which
the Allies refused to appease Germany enough.
Disagree. The reason the Allies folded at Munich IMHO was because they
looked at WWI and saw
--- Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Disagree. The reason the Allies folded at Munich
IMHO was because they
looked at WWI and saw themselves as being TOO EAGER
to go to war. If you
recall everyone was mobilizing their armies and
marching towards the front,
with the words home by
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote,
... I think that Europe has effectively decided (with the
exception of GB and Russia) to effectively not be military powers.
Yes, I agree -- at least to the extent of saying that Europe has
decided not to be able to project more than a little military
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, I will advertise the second half of my
article Enemies at the
Gate, which describes the changing state of
European power projection:
http://www.theculture.org/rich/sharpblue/archives/31.html
Rich
Hi Rich. It's an interesting
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue
States I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat me to it. Robert Vanderbei created a map of the
US shaded down to the county level and
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue
States I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat me to it. Robert Vanderbei created a
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue
States I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat me to
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Brin: Purple America
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since we've heard
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam
Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting. So do you think we have the numbers we
need to win the
peace? The war is becoming very unpopular in the
UK, what if they pull
out? I guess what
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:16:18 -0600 (CST), Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/purple_america_2004_small.gif
I'd like to know what's up with the black counties, though.
From the orignal site:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Realistically, Western Europe needed a leadership in
commitment by the US
match up well against Slovenia. Gautam or Damon can
correct me, but I
think that Europe has effectively decided (with the
exception of GB and
Russia) to effectively not be
You know that I also think there is more downside than upside in Iraq, and
I do appreciate the 10k or so troops that the British have in Iraq, but
from a military standpoint, we didn't get much help in Gulf War I or
IIso that going it with just the British will have practically no
effect. If
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Bryon Daly wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:16:18 -0600 (CST), Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/purple_america_2004_small.gif
I'd like to know what's up with the black
One other point, though. Damon mentioned two possible
crises the US military might be stretched to face.
Well that's fine, but I think you're fixating on a digression on my part,
and not something I intended to go into detail to defend. I presented a
couple of possible, likely conflicts, but
At 08:32 PM 11/6/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue
States I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself,
--- Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well that's fine, but I think you're fixating on a
digression on my part,
and not something I intended to go into detail to
defend. I presented a
couple of possible, likely conflicts, but my point
is that at this
juncture, the military would be
JDG wrote:
First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite the
non sequitur?
How so?
Secondly, for whatever it is worth, I would point out that Kerry never
indicated for a moment that he had a better plan for winning this thing
than Bush did..
The election's over John.
--
Doug
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Doug Pensinger wrote:
JDG wrote:
First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite the
non sequitur?
How so?
I thought it looked like a response to something in a different thread.
The Purple America thread seemed to be about county
Gautam wrote:
Well, first, I don't agree with that interpretaion of
what happened in Vietnam. After the Tet Offensive the
insurgency per se was basically non-existent in
South Vietnam. Almost all major military engagements
were with North Vietnamese troops who crossed the
border.
I'm all but
Julia Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Doug Pensinger wrote:
JDG wrote:
First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite
the
non sequitur?
How so?
I thought it looked like a response to something in a different thread.
The Purple America thread seemed to be about county
I'm all but positive that the Vietcong was _very_ active right up to the
end of the conflict and I believe that the political wing even took charge
briefly following the U.S. evacuation.
Most of the histories I've read suggest that after Tet the VC ceased to be
an effective or meaningful
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