RE: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-31 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This may tag me as some kind of Luddite, but I find it appalling that people can't wait to excise as much human contact from their lives as possible. I know people that would rather eat nails than actually have to go to the bank for three whole

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool quoted: All of that is good, so these automated systems will proliferate rapidly. The problem is that these systems will also eliminate jobs in massive numbers. Yawn. More than 200 years after the Industrial Revolution, and the neoluddites are still using the same excuses

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool quoted: All of that is good, so these automated systems will proliferate rapidly. The problem is that these systems will also eliminate jobs in massive numbers. Yawn. More than 200 years after the Industrial Revolution, and neoluddites still use the same excuse as the

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Robotic Singularity The Fool quoted: All of that is good, so these automated systems will proliferate rapidly. The problem

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-28 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool quoted: All of that is good, so these automated systems will proliferate rapidly. The problem is that these systems will also eliminate jobs in massive numbers. Yawn. More than 200 years after the Industrial Revolution, and the neoluddites are still using the same excuses

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:22 AM 7/26/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm Robotic Nation by Marshall Brain [snip] The arrival of humanoid robots should be a cause for celebration. With the robots doing most of the work, it should be possible for everyone to go on perpetual

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 04:51:55AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: So what jobs will still be performed by humans in a robotic nation? I think a more useful question is, what will still be scarce in a robot economy? Well, I think the article probably overestimates the progression of computer

RE: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
While there is an element of hysteria in this article, I too find the American fascination with automating *everything* disturbing. However, I find it disturbing for an additional reason. First off, I agree that it seems that no one has really thought this automation thing through. I still

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm Robotic Nation by Marshall Brain great snippage The Vision Thing One of the key capabilities limiting robotic expansion at the moment is image processing -- the ability of robots to look at a scene like a human does and

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: This may tag me as some kind of Luddite, but I find it appalling that people can't wait to excise as much human contact from their lives as possible. I know people that would rather eat nails than actually have to go to the bank for three whole minutes. No one's time is

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 03:59:52PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: How much progress has been made on the visual processing problem in the last 20 years? What is the current rate of progress? How many people are working on this? I can't answer most of this, but I do know that computer vision

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 27 Jul 2003 at 15:59, Julia Thompson wrote: Also, how much longer will Moore's Law hold? It gets to where part of what's making things faster is that the size of components on a chip are shrinking; there's some finite limit to that beyond which shrinking is impossible. Then we have to

RE: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:24 AM 7/27/03 -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote: While there is an element of hysteria in this article, I too find the American fascination with automating *everything* disturbing. However, I find it disturbing for an additional reason. First off, I agree that it seems that no one has really

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Kanandarqu
Erik wrote- I think the article asks a good question, which is how the economy can be modified to deal with these sorts of things. I think one of the deficits of this article is the potential population decline in the future. If you look at the trend of lack of replacement rate in many