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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:49 PM
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Dan wrote:
So, is your argument that the first step in the plan was to facilitate
a
major terrorist attack
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:33:10 -0800
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Subject: Re: Let's Roll
Bush wasn't interested in nation buildingboth his statements and his
actions indicated that he thought it was a do-gooder waster
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:33:10 -0800
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Subject: Re: Let's Roll
OK, let me accept that he was more interested in Iraq than AQ. The
number of public statements he made on the dangers
Dan wrote:
So, is your argument that the first step in the plan was to facilitate a
major terrorist attack on the US, like 9-11?
Via negligence, yes. But I'm not saying Bush knew anything about it.
Hell he was on vacation most of the time and he's as dumb as a shirt
anyway. Cheney,
n Behalf Of Julia Thompson
And then there's the question, is it a firecracker or a gun?
If you hear enough of both, you learn to tell the difference
in sound. Or so I've been told by someone who lived on a
really bad street in DC for a year.
But could that person tell the difference
On Behalf Of Dave Land
And it's not just that people described the plane hitting the
tower as an explosion, it's the reports -- many of them at
the time they happened -- of there goes another explosion.
There are radio recordings of lots of firefighters reported
secondary explosions
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From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:25 AM
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On Behalf Of Dave Land
And it's not just that people described the plane hitting the
tower as an explosion, it's
Horn, John wrote:
On Behalf Of Dave Land
And it's not just that people described the plane hitting the
tower as an explosion, it's the reports -- many of them at
the time they happened -- of there goes another explosion.
There are radio recordings of lots of firefighters reported
secondary
Looking at the contention that the nature of the collapse was consistent
with demolition instead of desctruction by a shock wave going downwards, we
can look at:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/#northtower
The composit ABC vidio shows pretty clearly that the bottom parts of the
My concern WRT the conspiracy theories is in the way 3 WTC buildings
collapsed fairly squarely into thier footprints. It is quite difficult
to *make* this occur (in the sense that work must be done to garuantee
it), yet 3 WTC buildings did just that on their own and one was not
even hit by
Dan Minette wrote:
Looking at the contention that the nature of the collapse was
consistent with demolition instead of desctruction by a shock wave
going downwards, we can look at:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/#northtower
The composit ABC vidio shows pretty clearly that
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Let's Roll
Dan Minette wrote:
Looking at the contention that the nature of the collapse was
consistent with demolition
Dan Minette wrote:
My concern WRT the conspiracy theories is in the way 3 WTC
buildings
collapsed fairly squarely into thier footprints. It is quite
difficult to *make* this occur (in the sense that work must be done
to garuantee it), yet 3 WTC buildings did just that on their own
and
one
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:37 PM
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Dan Minette wrote:
My concern WRT the conspiracy theories is in the way 3 WTC
buildings
collapsed fairly
Dan wrote:
No, I made it based on his actions and statements concerning the Balkans
immediately after he was elected. A summation of the administrations
attitude is at
http://www.worldpress.org/0901cover3.htm
Bush wasn't interested in nation buildingboth his statements and his
actions
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From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:55 PM
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1) Commercial planes were not really hijacked on 9-11
2) Commercial planes did not hit the twin towers
3
I'm about to go out, so I thought I'd add one more thing to my list of
rules of thumb that directly affects the WTC question. I went to a number
of conspiracy web sites and found a consistent theme that the collapse
was inconsistent with the explanation by the government.
I thought that such a
Dan wrote:
The reason I bring these examples up is that they help illustrate the
main points that I hope we can agree upon before considering the issue.
The first is that we should accept the same technique to evaluate
arguments supporting positions that we tend to favor as we do those
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:50 PM
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Dan wrote:
The reason I bring these examples up is that they help illustrate the
main points that I hope we
Doug Pensinger wrote:
The one possible conspiracy that would require few people to commit and
would thus be more easily contained; willful negligence.
I believe the FBI were at the PA crash site quicker than any response to
the Radar Operators' queries about military action against the rogue
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:11 AM
Subject: Let's Roll
I can't help but think that I'm turning into a relative in my family
who has always been a JFK-assassination conspiracy
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:23 PM
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Just stumbled on this this morning. It is an Unreal (the game)
stabilized version of the Zapruder film.
URK
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From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:02 PM
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Something happened on 9/11 other than the official version, and the
price has been the real security of the USA
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Just stumbled on this this morning. It is an Unreal (the game)
stabilized version
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this list, but
I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes that it is
more likely than not that the government was actually behind the
attacks ...
Yes, that is worth checking.
As I say
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Horn, John wrote:
snippage
So, some firefighters said over the radio that
something sounded
like a bomb. So what? That's probably what it
did sound like.
That doesn't make it a bomb.
And then there's the question, is it a firecracker
or a
On Jan 4, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Something happened on 9/11 other than the official version, and the
price has been the real security of the USA.
Before I respond, I'd like to ask a question of you and Nick. Are you
arguing.
1) Commercial
At 09:13 AM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this list, but
I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes that it is
more likely than not that the government was actually behind
At 02:31 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Just stumbled
At 02:48 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Deborah Harrell wrote:
When I lived in one of many DMZs in Dallas, I
learned the difference between 'happy-it's-the-weekend
gunfire' vs. drug-deal-gone-bad gunfire. It was the
rapidity of fire marking the latter, and sometimes
higher caliber weapons.
The
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Robert Seeberger wrote:
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At 06:21 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:31 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Just
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 06:21 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Robert Seeberger wrote
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Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Let's Roll
Just stumbled on this this morning. It is an Unreal (the game
Dave Land wrote:
I can't help but think that I'm turning into a relative in my family who
has always been a JFK-assassination conspiracy freak as I become more
and more interested in uncovering the truth of 9/11.
I love conspiracies for entertainment value alone. (My interests lie in
Dave Land wrote:
I can't help but think that I'm turning into a relative in my
family who has always been a JFK-assassination conspiracy freak as I
become more and more interested in uncovering the truth of 9/11.
It depends. Have you invested heavily in tinfoil yet? :)
On a more serious
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Land
I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this
list, but I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes
that it is more likely than not that the government was
actually behind the attacks
I have not had a chance to look at
Horn, John wrote:
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Land
I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this
list, but I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes
that it is more likely than not that the government was
actually behind the attacks
I have not had a
Dave said:
But I'm not really that concerned about being that freaky relative:
If a group of men with last names like Bush and Cheney and Rove in
fact murdered 3000 of my fellow Americans to further their
political aims, then I owe my son and his generation nothing less.
Don't you think
On Jan 3, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Richard Baker wrote:
Dave said:
But I'm not really that concerned about being that freaky
relative: If a group of men with last names like Bush and Cheney
and Rove in fact murdered 3000 of my fellow Americans to further
their political aims, then I owe my son
On 1/3/06, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And then there's the question, is it a firecracker or a gun? If you
hear enough of both, you learn to tell the difference in sound. Or so
I've been told by someone who lived on a really bad street in DC for a
year.
A bomb is just a
On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 1/3/06, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And then there's the question, is it a firecracker or a gun? If you
hear enough of both, you learn to tell the difference in sound.
Or so
I've been told by someone who lived on a really bad
Dave Land wrote:
On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
The most significant accounts of multiple explosions came from
firefighters
inside the WTC. Those are people who know what explosions sound
like. And
unless they thought they were truly significant and not just the
sort
Michael wrote:
As utterly despicable and hateable as Bush, Cheyney, and Rumsfeld are,
there is nothing here to prove anything other than what was said in the
official story occurred. I can understand why people love conspiracies,
I used to be a Roswell Aliens, crop circle, JFK assassination,
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