Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-07 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 02:49 PM 12/6/02 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: who once used an 8-sider to determine sides for a Trivial Pursuit game I have a pair of 10-sided dice (one labelled 0-9, the other 00-90) that I keep in a pocket in my grade book. Sometimes, e.g., when I am giving back a test that everyone

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/24/2002 7:25:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A person who puts dice in their juicebox is preadolescent. Okay, Mr. Smarty, where do you keep your dice between games? DD die were kept in a tackle box.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronald Blankenship wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated Julia who keeps her dice in a drawstring bag which is in a

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/6/2002 1:42:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You wouldn't believe what was kept in the old Pringles can. Do I want to *know* what was kept in the old Pringles can? :) Dan had one of those 20-sided ones that were just numbered 0 to 9

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2002 1:42:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You wouldn't believe what was kept in the old Pringles can. Do I want to *know* what was kept in the old Pringles can? :) Dan had one of those 20-sided ones

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-30 Thread Horn, John
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Ultra-radical fast food terrorists kidnap the mayor of St. Louis. Will be released once the Gateway Arch is painted bright yellow. Then the giant mirror will be built just next to it. - jmh

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-28 Thread The Fool
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: C. I am not preventing anyone from enslaving their mind to idiocy, F. I think forcing a way of life/thinking on someone else is wrong. And yet the title of this thread from the very beginning is religion is evil, why it must be

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-28 Thread Doug
Nick Arnett wrote: Slavery wasn't an end unto itself, however. Surely there is little disagreement that the South's desire to preserve slavery was motivated by the economics of operating plantations. No, and don't call me Shirley. 8^) Seriously, I would disagree wholeheartedly with that

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-27 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:48 PM 11/25/02 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: if you're south of the Mason-Dixon line, the War Between the States Wrong. It's called The War of Northern Aggression. ;-) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last.

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-27 Thread Richard Baker
Ronn said: It's called The War of Northern Aggression. Didn't the US Civil War start with the Confederacy firing on Fort Sumter? And wouldn't that make it The War of Southern Aggression? Rich GCU Hazy Knowledge ___

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Horn, John
From: K. Feete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, but, as Searle and Merleau-Ponty are both so fond of Merleau-Ponty? Isn't that that English comedy team that did all those TV shows and movies??? - jmh ___

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is transcendent.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Fool ... conquestadors, slavery, apartheid, and feudal systems were political and conquistadors: conquer, take gold, convert to catholicism. Notice how most of south

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Reggie Bautista
The Fool quoted a bunch of biblical quotes to show how the Bible endorses slavery and the divine right of kings. My reply: This is why a literal interpretation of the Bible is problematic at best. For each of these passages, there are other passages that can be quoted that contradict them (I

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool - Isn't religion is evil a rather broad statement? Do you really No. It is an exact statement. believe ALL religions are inherently evil? Do no religions do any good for Yes. the world so that they must all be eradicated? No, yes. As for

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:59 PM 11/25/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: Hum. The dark ages, IIRC, were a result of invading barbarians destroying a weakened Rome. The Catholic Church helped preserve what knowledge was left and bring them to the end. The catholic

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reggie Bautista asked: Kneem, should the Republican party be eradicated because of the illegal actions of Richard Nixon? Should the Democratic party be eradicated because of the illegal actions of Bill Clinton?

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jeroen wrote: However, given the worship of the Almighty Dollar by some people, one cannot help but wonder if Capitalism qualifies as a religion... :-) Not Capitalism, but just one perverted sect of capitalism that believes that the dollar is worth anything

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: One needs to look at sources that support one's view with the same critical eye as those that oppose it. Technique is a good starting point. nitpick I think that that is scientifically incorrect. You first need to try to disprove your own point in all possible ways to be

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
K. Feete wrote: Superstition and irrational beliefs occur with or without religion. Witness Skinner's superstitious pigeons, or my conviction that mentioning the fact that it's raining if I want it to rain will make the rain stop. grin I thought that's what umbrellas are for. Bring one and

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:46 AM 11/27/2002 -0600 Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:48 PM 11/25/02 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: if you're south of the Mason-Dixon line, the War Between the States Wrong. It's called The War of Northern Aggression. In Boston, they call it The Rebellion - which is more accurate, IMHO. JDG

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
Just a general question for the Fool, after hours of reading the volumes of discussion here: Posts you've made in the past suggest you have an almost rabid love for Free Speech. Doesn't your position on religion, et. al. strike you as even a little hypocritical? Or is it that free speech

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a general question for the Fool, after hours of reading the volumes of discussion here: Posts you've made in the past suggest you have an almost rabid love for Free Speech. Doesn't your position on religion, et. al. strike you as even a little

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
The Fool wrote: C. I am not preventing anyone from enslaving their mind to idiocy, F. I think forcing a way of life/thinking on someone else is wrong. And yet the title of this thread from the very beginning is religion is evil, why it must be eradicated. Seems to me that if you had your

RE: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-26 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:50 PM ... That's the succinct answer. Obviously it is difficult to accurately summarize the determinant of any great human conflict in a few sentences, but I

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread J . v . Baardwijk
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 26 november 2002 6:36 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated Well, as a statement, I find this particularly unconvincing. Perhaps you should try

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually getting an academic job are essentially zero, but that's the way these things work nowadays... Gautam You're just in the wrong field . . . -- Ronn! :) True - in economics or the hard sciences I'd be fine. Well, probably. It's not

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:59 AM 11/26/02 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually getting an academic job are essentially zero, but that's the way these things work nowadays... Gautam You're just in the wrong field . . . -- Ronn! :) True - in economics or the hard

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad. So did smoke come out of

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated Julia who contributed to a drug law debate on another list recently

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug wrote: Alberto Monteiro wrote: Why did Kamikaze Pilots wear helmets Maru I don't know. To protect them from loose objects in the cockpit? To keep the hair out of their eyes? To keep their ears warm? Doug 8^) To attach the goggles more firmly to their heads, so they'd

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually getting an academic job are essentially zero, but that's the way these things work nowadays... Gautam You're just in the wrong field . . . -- Ronn! :) True - in economics or the hard sciences I'd be

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:03:39AM -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: So, Set Theory is a Religion? No. Definition or assumption is not the same thing as accepting something on faith. One is a convenience, the other is the main point. Even Science, at some point, requires you to passive accept

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
It's not that those thing you listed aren't true, they are. They could still flare up, but the cold war is over. Did you know that before the british came to india, there was a religious group in india called 'thugs'. the Thugs systematically killed more than an order of magnitude more

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Would you accept that places like Yale, Princeton and Harvard are OK schools? Or do they all pale compared to old schools like Oxford? Dan M. If they do, you'd have to be prety convincing, because I decided not to go to Oxford for graduate study because American universities universally

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 11:13:28PM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Should Democracy be banned because eventually we [*] elect a jerk, a tyrant, a thief or a megalomaniac? Erik replied: Should prostitution be banned because in the prostitution business some people might take unfair advantage

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/02 8:17:01 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually getting an academic job are essentially zero, but that's the way these things work nowadays... Gautam Couldn't you take a drug, rent a wig, and

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Huh? There are plenty of conservative academic institutions. Hoover Institute at Stanford, to name a prominent example. Nick Actually, there are only a handful. In most surveys, well under 10% of academics report as registered Republicans. Among the Harvard government department the

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
The Fool wrote: It's not that those thing you listed aren't true, they are. They could still flare up, but the cold war is over. Did you know that before the british came to india, there was a religious group in india called 'thugs'. the Thugs systematically killed more than an order

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
People are evil, religion merely reflects this. Eradicate it and something else will spring up in its place. (Probably for $29.95/mo. with free installation this week only.) It'll be like trying to kill Hydra with a Swiss Army knife and a Zippo. Our civilization has already invested so much

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julia said: Can anyone come up with that data? I'll have a go at calculating rough figures. A quick Google finds that the population of India was about 300 million in Moghul times (I'm sure Ritu will correct me if this is wrong), the population of

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reggie Bautista asked: Kneem, should the Republican party be eradicated because of the illegal actions of Richard Nixon? Should the Democratic party be eradicated because of the illegal actions of Bill Clinton? Should Democracy be banned

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:18:09AM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote: The real problem is that we **don't** have a decent definition of religion, as things that are considered religions by most people differ substantially. To me, a religion is any

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:18:09AM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote:

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Ronald Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated That's not the point. They could in fact get to those proofs, even if they do not do so, those proofs do exist.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:30 24-11-2002 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: Should the Internet be banned because some people send out spam? Should Internet discussion groups be banned because some listowners abuse their power? Should Internet discussion groups be banned because some people resort to personal

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:18:09AM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote: The real problem is that we **don't** have a decent definition of religion, as things that are

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for it or just have faith. So, Marxism isn't a religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for it or just have faith. So, Marxism isn't a religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof of the dialectic till the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for it or just

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof of the dialectic till the day he dies. Yes. But not to me because I undertand logic and find marxism illogical. What is logic?

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:53 25-11-2002 -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Astrology is not a religion. UFOlogy is not a religion. Spiritism is not a religion. Shamanism is not a religion. Buddism is not a religion. etc However, given the worship of the Almighty Dollar by some people, one cannot help but wonder if

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not that those thing you listed aren't true, they are. They could still flare up, but the cold war is over. Did you know that before the british came to india, there was a religious group in india called 'thugs'. the Thugs

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 18:53 25-11-2002 -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Astrology is not a religion. UFOlogy is not a religion. Spiritism is not a religion. Shamanism is not a religion. Buddism is not a religion. etc However, given the worship of the Almighty

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jeroen wrote: However, given the worship of the Almighty Dollar by some people, one cannot help but wonder if Capitalism qualifies as a religion... :-) Not Capitalism, but just one perverted sect of capitalism that believes that the dollar is worth anything but what is written in

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not the point. They

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is transcendent. And those math proofs do exist. This may all

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Marxism isn't a religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:01:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is logic? I liked Spok's answerbut I can't say I remember it exactly. Something like: Logic is a beautiful flower--that smells awful. William Taylor - Let's use

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated a slight exaggeration. They existed from at least 1200's and annually killed [estimation] somewhere between

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not the point. They could in fact get to those proofs, even if they do not do so, those proofs do exist. With religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:16:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad. Julia Ah. Perverted minds think alike. Why, thank you for the compliment! :) ~~~{~~~@ to Julia. William Taylor

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof of the dialectic till the day he dies.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: Are you trying to push godels theorem here? Now, *there's* something I'd like to see -- theorem pushers. :) As theorems go, that could be a difficult one to push. Proof of the quadratic equation, now, that's an easier pill to swallow. Julia who contributed to a

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] a slight exaggeration. They existed from at least 1200's and annually killed [estimation] somewhere between 30k-50k people / year. It could actually be higher or lower than that. It comes out it the same ballpark

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: As theorems go, that could be a difficult one to push. Proof of the quadratic equation, now, that's an easier pill to swallow. I once tryed to push the cubic equation (Cardano's theft from Tartaglia) to a younger friend with mathematical skills. He's a shrink

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: Formal logic is all computer scientist / programmers do. All formal logic system must have one [or more] axiom, but in math we keep that one axiom very very simple. What's the simplest one [or more] axiom you can base a system on? Julia

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] a slight exaggeration. They

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:34:11PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: I'm actually preparing to write a scifi story where the government has outlawed religious expression (along with any racial references whatsoever). The point being that a) it doesn't work and b) they live

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets look at a couple of things religion brought us in the past before we examine this question. We have: the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the divine right of kings, jihad, forced religious conversions, thought crimes AKA heresy, caste systems,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: K. Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:34:11PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: I'm actually preparing to write a scifi story where the government has outlawed religious expression (along with any racial references whatsoever). The point being that

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
The Fool wrote: No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is transcendent. And those math proofs do exist. Yes, but, as Searle and

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: K. Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets look at a couple of things religion brought us in the past before we examine this question. We have: the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the divine right of kings, jihad, forced religious conversions,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
Marvin's back! On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:46:07AM -0600, Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: It'll be like trying to kill Hydra with a Swiss Army knife and a Zippo. The Zippo might be more effective than the knife. Just lure it into a tar/petroleum pit and light! -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 3:12:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Screw eradicating religion. Let's eradicate politics and economics. grin It's not yet economical to eradicate politicians, but the Internet is certainly taking us in that direction. I'd rather have

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Kat Feete wrote: Therefore, Kant concludes, math is *not* transcendant; it requires reference to the material world and expression through it, and is therefore, as Merleau-Ponty will argue a century or so later, affected and defined, like all things, by our worldview and our subjective

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Fool ... conquestadors, slavery, apartheid, and feudal systems were political and conquistadors: conquer, take gold, convert to catholicism. Notice how most of south America is adamantly

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread William T Goodall
on 25/11/02 12:18 am, Alberto Monteiro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Baker wrote: Questionable. Communist might be considered a kind of religion, as some of its dogmas are based on faith. It explicitly rejects supernatural explanations though. Some religions also deny

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: K. Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is transcendent. And those math proofs

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen asked: At 20:30 24-11-2002 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: Should the Internet be banned because some people send out spam? Should Internet discussion groups be banned because some people resort to personal attacks when they cannot win an argument? Jeroen Corruption delenda est van

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: I think this is backwards from reality. Read His _Otherness_. Then consider two societies, the free west and thought police of the middle east, like saudi arabia. Which one bans things like pokemon? Freedom from the thought control of religion allows this 'otherness' meme to

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: conquistadors: conquer, take gold, convert to catholicism. Notice how most of south America is adamantly catholic? BTW, are you aware that Brazil is quickly becoming the biggest ex-Catholic country in the world? I guess if you count people that regularly go to Church, the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Russell Chapman
Alberto Monteiro wrote: And our elected vice-President belongs to a party that is _controlled_ by the worst kind of Protestantism: those that worship Mammon. How do you elect a socialist president and a vice president who worhips Mammon at the same time? Aren't they diammetrically opposed to

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted: snip ...Second, Marxism can be called a quasi-religion insofar as it calls from its followers a devotion and a commitment that in their empirical character greatly resemble the commitment and devotion that characterize religious people.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread William T Goodall
on 25/11/02 2:31 am, Dan Minette at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why must I use your definition? Yes, you found a theologian, at a minor school that agreed with you. A professor with a Chair at Oxford University? No, actually I was talking about the guy at Santa Barbara. The guy at Oxford

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
I wrote: snip I have friends who suffer from Broncoism (Denver) and Tigerism (Louisiana State University): these conditions affect their dress (picture grandma in tiger-striped leotards), their pocketbooks (how many families of four can afford an evening at the Diaphragm - excuse me,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually getting an academic job are essentially zero, but

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2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adam C. Lipscomb Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:48 PM ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Comedy gold, sir. You really ought to take this act on tour. I mean, you make Jerry Lewis look

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Ronald Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To me, a religion is any

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated The Fool wrote: Are you trying to push godels theorem here? Now, *there's* something I'd like to see

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated - Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] a slight exaggeration. They

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: William Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:34:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hope that

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Erik Reuter wrote: The Zippo might be more effective than the knife. Just lure it into a tar/petroleum pit and light! Not bad! I like the Japanese version, by way of Usagi Yojimbo, that involves getting all the heads stinking drunk first, then killing the beast at one's

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Bryon Daly
The Fool - Isn't religion is evil a rather broad statement? Do you really believe ALL religions are inherently evil? Do no religions do any good for the world so that they must all be eradicated? As for the Crusades: http://www.angelfire.com/ky/dodone/Crusades.html . It took quite long, but I

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