In a message dated 2/24/2004 9:04:01 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The Toilet Theory features in a non-uplift short story by Brin
> in his most recent collection, and could explain why such things
> would be on his mind. This, of course, doesn't change whether
> he wa
Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 2004-01-28 19:30, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> > William Taylor wrote:
> > > You leave out the very important:
> > >
> > > 41M BxY: Rediscovery of transfer points to galaxies originally numbered
> > > Seven and Eleven, now renumbered Two and Four.
> > >
> > > Ear
In a message dated 1/29/2004 5:05:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >revised timeline follows. [By the way, this has been a lot of work. Do
> we
> >want DB's imprimateur?]
> >
> Not until we have full support of the College of Cardinals :-)
>
> Alberto Monteiro
>
Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> The timeline has been very slightly modified to accomodate two
> literary coincidences that should bother no one but Alberto.
>
Yes, such coincidences bother me :-)
> 1492: Discovery of the Americas
> 1961: Yuri Gagarin in space
> 2211: First contact, 500 years after 1961
The timeline has been very slightly modified to accomodate two literary
coincidences that should bother no one but Alberto.
1492: Discovery of the Americas
1961: Yuri Gagarin in space
2211: First contact, 500 years after 1961 (Over Alberto M.'s vigorous
objection that it should remain 2212.)
24
What about 2267 AD? It would be 225 years "ago", or about 281
Jijo Years "ago", or about Jijo Year 1650, as in GU2, p.150
[there are many references to 300 Jijo Years of Human Occupation
in Jijo, but I can always assume that 300 is a close approximation
to 280]
Alberto Monteiro
PS: I don't like
In a message dated 1/29/2004 7:13:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Better ask WT. He's the expert in Galaxy counting :-)
>
Only that Earth is in Two, and Hurumphta, and supposedly the Hoon home world,
isn't.
[Contradicting GU2, I think. Though there has to be a col
Trent Shipley wrote:
>
>> 1.6 BYA: Contact lost with three galaxies [7, 9, 11] Remaining
>> Galaxies renumbered. Eight galaxies remain. The disaster results
>> in cultural upheavals and sparks the first wave of memnetic plagues.
>>
>> But of course this would not allow the Cambrian explosion
On Wednesday 2004-01-28 19:30, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> William Taylor wrote:
> > You leave out the very important:
> >
> > 41M BxY: Rediscovery of transfer points to galaxies originally numbered
> > Seven and Eleven, now renumbered Two and Four.
> >
> > Earth is in Galaxy Two which was Galaxy Sev
The timeline has been very slightly modified to accomodate two literary
coincidences that should bother no one but Alberto.
1492: Discovery of the Americas
1961: Yuri Gagarin in space
2211: First contact, 500 years after 1961
2492: Action resumes with the next Uplift Novel, 1000 years after disc
Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> 2.26G BxY (a): Progenitors physically leave the Galaxies (according to
> Inheritor legend).
>
Or transcend, according to Awaiter legend [CA]
>
> 1.6G BxY: Contact lost with three galaxies. Eight galaxies remain. The
> disaster results in cultural upheavals and sparks the
William Taylor wrote:
>
> You leave out the very important:
>
> 41M BxY: Rediscovery of transfer points to galaxies originally numbered
> Seven and Eleven, now renumbered Two and Four.
>
> Earth is in Galaxy Two which was Galaxy Seven, which was lost from 150M BxY
> to 41M BxY, which includes the h
Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space on 12 April 1961. So the date for
> Contact is stuck at 2211 because it makes Contact happen 250 years after we
> went into space. 2212 just won't do.
>
> Math logic looses to literary logic.
>
Whenever I find round periods like "25
Trent Shipley wrote:
>
>> Why not add the following:
>>
>> 545 MYA: Diversity is artificially induced in many worlds, including
>> Earth [causing the Cambrian explosion]. This is the last reference to
>> Earth in the Galactic Library.
>
> It depends on DB.
>
Yes. And He wrote on 1999-05-24:
Re:
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 22:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:59:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 60M BxY: The three core galaxies re-establish contact with Andromeda and
> > the
> > Milky Way that were "lost" at about 150M BxY. This is a
In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:59:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 60M BxY: The three core galaxies re-establish contact with Andromeda and
> the
> Milky Way that were "lost" at about 150M BxY. This is a time of
> medium-scale troubles. A zone of Ash forms in the
In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:59:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> . Cultural drift is inevitable. [So WT,
> how does this further the plot?]
>
A blacksmith uses a drift to forge an opening where once there was nothing
but solid material.
The trick is to not make
In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:28:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Also, when CA and GU2 seem to conflict, I am going to favor GU2. (I have
> very
> mixed feeling about CA.)
>
A view I think everyone involved with the project came to have.
GU2 is specifically for
In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:21:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Dear William:
>
> I dont share your enthusiasm for this plot twist you say DB is planning.
I'm enthusiastic in the fact that I don't know what the plot twisr will be,
if there will be one, or if in
Yet more revisions. This time related to sundering-knitting. One snarky
remark I am already starting to regret.
--
Time-Line: History of the Five Galaxies[1]
G = Billion, M = Million, K = Thousand;
BCE=Before Common (Terragen) Era (=BC), CE = Common (Terragen) Era (=AD);
BxY = before Con
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:13:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> 150M BxY: Social discord over redevelopment initiates Second Gronin
> Collapse.
> Permanent loss of contact with two Galaxies.
>
> [Four and S
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:13:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> 150M BxY: Social discord over redevelopment initiates Second Gronin
> Collapse.
> Permanent loss of contact with two Galaxies.
>
> [Four and S
In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:13:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
150M BxY: Social discord over redevelopment initiates Second Gronin
Collapse.
Permanent loss of contact with two Galaxies.
[Four and Seven! Pay attention to the numbers.]
Four Galaxies remain in
c
In a message dated 1/27/2004 5:28:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >545 MYA: Diversity is artificially induced in many worlds, including Earth
> >[causing the Cambrian explosion]. This is the last reference to Earth in
> >the Galactic Library.
>
> It depends on DB. I
Made some changes.
--
Time-Line: History of the Five Galaxies[1]
G = Billion, M = Million, K = Thousand;
BCE=Before Common (Terragen) Era (=BC), CE = Common (Terragen) Era (=AD);
BxY = before Contact, 0xY = year of Contact (= 2211 CE), AxY = after
Contact;
All years
> > > 0xY /2211 CE: First Galactic Contact. Human explorers contact
> > > Tymbrimi colonists. This was 87 paktaars ago by Galactic measure.
> >
> > Nope.
>
> So it needs to be 2212 CE. BTW, what was the date the first Cosmonaut went
> into space.
Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space on 12 A
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 15:35, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> Some comments:
> > 2.8 - 2.2 BYA: Progenitors rule the galaxies in what is
> > traditionally thought to be a Golden Age. Mention of 13 Galaxies.
> > Records extremely sketchy.
>
> It seems that what is implied by the text of Contact Aliens is
Some comments:
> 2.8 - 2.2 BYA: Progenitors rule the galaxies in what is
> traditionally thought to be a Golden Age. Mention of 13 Galaxies.
> Records extremely sketchy.
>
It seems that what is implied by the text of Contact Aliens is that
_early_ in this period Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2 became link
e of space exploration. It
just shows that in some point in the 1980s there was a "cusp" event
that separated the Uplift Timeline from ours :-)
We can only speculate on _what_ we did wrong. Did the USSR fall
too early?
We'd stopped before then...
For Trent - people in 1902 would have th
In a message dated 1/26/2004 7:29:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> don't think it's absurd - it depends on the rate of space exploration. It
> just shows that in some point in the 1980s there was a "cusp" event
> that separated
of space exploration. It
just shows that in some point in the 1980s there was a "cusp" event
that separated the Uplift Timeline from ours :-)
Remember that in the Uplift story, there was an "Indian Summer" at
the end of the XX century, where space exploration boosted with
the fou
Trent Shipley wrote:
> 620 MYA: The ecologically insensitive "Lions" dominate the
> Galaxies. Ash spreads through 30% of Galaxy One and 20% of
> Galaxy Two. Complex sea life on Earth.
I think I remember the Cambrian Explosion being closer to
560 MYA, but it's been a while since I read about it.
>
Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> Before do a write-up I needed some dates, so I re-collated the timeline.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
I have just returned from a week-long vacation trip, and I have
2028 e-mails to read O:-)
But I promise I will take a look at the data asap.
Alberto Monteiro
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In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:31:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > But I do know that as presented in Contacting Aliens, Earth's entire age
of
> > dinosaurs occured outside of the current Galactic Civilization.
>
> What do you mean by "outside"?
>
The galacti
On Tuesday 2004-01-20 20:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:04:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Lost track of which galaxy is which number here.
I didn't so much loose track of each Galaxy as give up on tracking them. I
just tried to kee
In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:04:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 280 AxY: [Streaker arrives on Jijo? SS] Transfer point network disrupted;
> many
> layers of hyperspace impassible or lethal. All contact lost with Galaxy
> Four. Strangely altered Streaker appea
In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:04:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lost track of which galaxy is which number here.
Just in case...
>
> 141 MYA: [Contacting Aliens entry ignored.]
>
I don't have a copy handy. I don't remember which entry this is.
But I do know th
On Monday 2004-01-19 01:55, The Fool wrote:
> > From: Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > 12 MYA: The last recorded "wolfling" race, the Paranaj, is discovered.
>
> Within
>
> > 1000 years it is extinct.
> >
> > 52 KYA: The last recorded "wolfling" race, the Paranaj, is discovered.
>
> Within
> From: Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 12 MYA: The last recorded "wolfling" race, the Paranaj, is discovered.
Within
> 1000 years it is extinct.
> 52 KYA: The last recorded "wolfling" race, the Paranaj, is discovered.
Within
> a thousand years, it is extinct.
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Dear Alberto:
The new colony will be an A+/B- world in orbit around Alpha Centuri A. It
will be called Easter. Its residents will be called 'Pascuans'.
Before do a write-up I needed some dates, so I re-collated the timeline.
Let me know what you think.
1) I got my old timeline and fixed it.
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