From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not sure that all that many people have learned not to be greedy and
short-term focused.
No doubt. But some have learned that house prices don't always go up.
My posting was ironically predictive, as my job fell victim to the market's
obsession with
The way I see it, a short-term focus on cash returns is a
good thing for all
but the most proven and talented forward thinkers. It keeps
the market
moving towards greater efficiency.
the way i see it is focusing on cash returns is a BAD thing no matter how
efficient it makes the market:
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the way i see it is focusing on cash returns is a BAD thing no matter how
efficient it makes the market:
How would you allocate resources among all the people who say if I only had
this then I could accomplish ___?
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the way i see it is focusing on cash returns is a BAD thing no matter how
efficient it makes the market:
Good point. If the market were less efficient, almost no one would be able to
afford computers or Internet access. Then no one would need to listen
to
At 03:25 PM Monday 9/8/2008, John Williams wrote:
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the way i see it is focusing on cash returns is a BAD thing no matter how
efficient it makes the market:
How would you allocate resources among all the people who say if I only had
this then I could
the way i see it is focusing on cash returns is a BAD
thing no matter how
efficient it makes the market:
Good point. If the market were less efficient, almost no
one would be able to
afford computers or Internet access. Then no one would need
to listen
to crazies spouting nonsense
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
you don't get it john, the market is fixed; it is rigged by the plutocrats.
Thank you Jon! I've been so naive, but you have opened my eyes. Those
evil plutocrats have really kept me down, but I won't stand for it any more!
they don't care what all this
At 08:20 PM Monday 9/1/2008, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
The 4% inflation is unacceptable statement was the Democrat's
ridicule of Ford's Whip Inflation Now! campaign and it's WIN
buttons. I'm sure they picked the worst figure they could find, just
as whoever from the other side who came
At 10:03 PM Monday 9/1/2008, John Williams wrote:
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So who can we blame for poor leadership and the complete lack of a
comprehensive energy policy?
The same one we blame for poor humanity leadership and complete lack
of a comprehensive intelligent-design
At 11:41 PM Monday 9/1/2008, John Williams wrote:
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is important is that a leader take responsibility for his
administration. It is important that I am able to distinguish between
someone that has done a good job and someone that hasn't when I cast my
At 09:50 AM Tuesday 9/2/2008, John Williams wrote:
Waste is not something that can be efficiently identified and
reduced by politicians.
Indeed even casual observation suggests that the opposite is the more
common outcome.
. . . ronn! :)
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look at what has happened in a traditionally
low-risk marketplace -- real estate -- lately. Even there, investors
started having crazy expectations. And yes, the market is correcting,
On 02/09/2008, at 2:41 PM, John Williams wrote:
My impression is that this list has an ongoing debate between
religous people,
with faith in their gods, and government people, with faith in their
politicians.
I'm neither of those. I'm not sure how long you've been lurking, but
this
Better to keep government as small as possible, not put our
politicians on a pedestal, and instead rely on ourselves and competition of
ideas
in a marketplace to determine solutions to problems. If the gene-pool of
ideas
is sufficiently diverse, then natural-selection in a free-market will
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes - regulations should be about putting a brake on waste and
environmental damage, unethical practices and exploitation.
I don't understand the yes, since what follows the yes does not agree with
what
I wrote. Waste is not something that can be efficiently
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is clear that climate change is not something
the market can handle in any effective manner. Only government action has any
possibility of tackling this problem.
I do not have blind faith in government to solve difficult problems. The only
way
that
On Sep 2, 2008, at 9:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is clear that climate change is not something the market can
handle in any effective manner. Only government action has any
possibility of tackling this problem.
That's been well established. The government does best when it
On 03/09/2008, at 12:50 AM, John Williams wrote:
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes - regulations should be about putting a brake on waste and
environmental damage, unethical practices and exploitation.
I don't understand the yes, since what follows the yes does not
agree with what
I
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
My impression is that this list has an ongoing debate between religous
people,
with faith in their gods, and government people, with faith in their
politicians.
Eh? Is that sarcasm? I hope.
If not, then somebody has
On 03/09/2008, at 6:58 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
My impression is that this list has an ongoing debate between
religous
people,
with faith in their gods, and government people, with faith in their
politicians.
Eh?
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd say that the American free market is an illusion
anyway.
I'd agree that the United State's market is far from free. I did not
intend to compare countries. Indeed, the more global the market,
the better, as far as I am concerned.
So allowing a logging
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If not, then somebody has successfully re-framed our conversations in an
unfortunate way.
Sorry, I did not mean the groups to be mutually-exclusive or all-encompassing.
Some posts seem to fit into both, some neither. But is was interesting to
see how similar
John Williams wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is clear that climate change is not something
the market can handle in any effective manner. Only government action has
any
possibility of tackling this problem.
I do not have blind faith in government to solve
Kevin B. O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If the problem were not urgent, if we had the luxury of reducing CO2
emissions by 30% over the next hundred years, I would probably agree
with you. Tweaking market incentives would probably be a very good way
to address that sort of problem. But when
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:16 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Anyway, do you think that
a logging company that clear cuts its forests will be the most profitable,
in the long run, in a competitive market?
Well, I do... if by clear-cutting it drives the competition out of business.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:25 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Sorry, I did not mean the groups to be mutually-exclusive or
all-encompassing.
Some posts seem to fit into both, some neither. But is was interesting to
see how similar some posts appeared as far as faith in a
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For public companies, the long run is anything more than a year or two,
What is it for politicians?
Who cares if the company will run out of trees, as long as it isn't going to
happen until long after the current senior management and board are gone?
I'd peg
Ronn! wrote:
The 4% inflation is unacceptable statement was the Democrat's
ridicule of Ford's Whip Inflation Now! campaign and it's WIN
buttons. I'm sure they picked the worst figure they could find, just
as whoever from the other side who came up with the Carter said 4%
inflation was
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So who can we blame for poor leadership and the complete lack of a
comprehensive energy policy?
The same one we blame for poor humanity leadership and complete lack
of a comprehensive intelligent-design policy?
Sorry for the sarcasm, but is blame so
John wrote:
So who can we blame for poor leadership and the complete lack of a
comprehensive energy policy?
The same one we blame for poor humanity leadership and complete lack
of a comprehensive intelligent-design policy?
Sorry for the sarcasm, but is blame so important?
Not if I'm
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is important is that a leader take responsibility for his
administration. It is important that I am able to distinguish between
someone that has done a good job and someone that hasn't when I cast my
vote.
So in that case, yea, blame is pretty
At 06:17 PM Friday 8/29/2008, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
Being there.
A faulty memory is a poor cite.
That is an obvious statement with which anyone would have to agree. ;)
Not only wasn't inflation anywhere near
20% during the Carter administration,
Somebody has
I was just checking the evolution of PPI (PPI and CPI measure inflation
in the USA), and noticed that _this year_ the accumulated inflation
is about 10% (!!!)
Welcome to Hyperinflation. If you want any hints on how to survive
and prosper under hyperinflation, just ask me. Brazil had
Zimbabwe inflation rate is around 810% **per month**
!
c
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Sent: 29 August 2008 14:31 PM
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Subject: Welcome to Hyperinflation!
I was just checking
At 07:30 AM Friday 8/29/2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I was just checking the evolution of PPI (PPI and CPI measure inflation
in the USA), and noticed that _this year_ the accumulated inflation
is about 10% (!!!)
Welcome to Hyperinflation. If you want any hints on how to survive
and prosper under
Ronn! wrote:
Or just remember the Carter administration.
He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was
Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus Percent Maru
Cite?
Doug
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On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
Or just remember the Carter administration.
He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was
Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus
Percent Maru
Cite?
Might Ronn! be conflating
On Aug 29, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
Or just remember the Carter administration.
He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was
Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus
Percent
On 29 Aug 2008, at 18:34, Dave Land wrote:
I am having a hard time finding good numbers, but one reference on the
web (http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/H/1990/ch8_p21.htm) put it above 20% in
1980.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm
Second Hand Maru
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William T Goodall
Mail :
I am having a hard time finding good numbers, but one reference on the
web (http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/H/1990/ch8_p21.htm) put it above 20% in
1980.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm
The US Bureau of Labour Statistics places CPI inflation at 13.5% in 1980.
At 11:29 AM Friday 8/29/2008, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
Or just remember the Carter administration.
He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was
Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus Percent Maru
Cite?
Doug
Being there.
. .
Ronn! wrote:
Being there.
A faulty memory is a poor cite. Not only wasn't inflation anywhere near
20% during the Carter administration, it wasn't anywhere near 4% immediately
prior to his election.
Here's another cite to go with the ones already posted:
I'm pretty sure it never got into the 20s for any sustained period.
I am having a hard time finding good numbers, but one reference on the
web (http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/H/1990/ch8_p21.htm) put it above 20% in
1980.
Dave
Well, IIRC, the primary source for this is the Bureau of Labor
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