Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 04:20 PM 6/21/2003 -0700, you wrote: Why isn't anyone discussing this? Gautam Mukunda Seriously? Are there really that many HP readers on this list? I haven't read any, and never plan too. Not trying to be snobbish or pretentious, but I just don't have time to waste on it. Right now on my

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 09:33 PM 6/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can somebody help me out here? It seems that there are two basic types of people, albeit with some gradations, and hence, two types of Brin-L'ers. These people are essentially those who believe in God, and

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-22 Thread G. D. Akin
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Sorry for the top posting here, but PLEASE NO HARRY SPOILERS! George A I thought I was being pretty careful... --- You were, you were. But your request to discuss the book; well, as much as this list likes to discuss things . . . ;-)

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-22 Thread G. D. Akin
Kevin Tarr wrote: At 04:20 PM 6/21/2003 -0700, you wrote: Why isn't anyone discussing this? Gautam Mukunda Seriously? Are there really that many HP readers on this list? I haven't read any, and never plan too. Not trying to be snobbish or pretentious, but I just don't have time to waste

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:59 PM 6/21/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: How does one express a definite integral in ASCII? If you need to express it in an e-mail message, and you are limited to plain text and have no way of knowing what settings the intended recipient may have or what fonts may be installed on

Brin Re: non-Desperation to do list.

2003-06-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/21/2003 6:06:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also in the works, a Heinleinian book in which aliens kidnap 3,000 kids from a Californian high school. With best wishes for a happy, successful 21st Century! David Brin If I had my

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58:55PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: If history were common knowledge, it would put Literalism into doubt. A lot of fundementalists seem to think the Bible was handed down by God complete and unabridged as if somewhere out in the world there exists a copy of the

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
Alberto! Where you been? :-) -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:00:30AM -0500, The Fool wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] How does one express a definite integral in ASCII? How about: /1 | f(x) dx /0 Terminal: ô õ ³ subscripts are a different matter. That is not ASCII -- ASCII is a 7-bit code.

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:10:28PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: Yet, it seems that people who believe in God, at least on Brin-L, seem perfectly capable of discussing non-belief in God in a calm and civilized manner. I only saw 2 non-calm people. Fool, who seems to get really carried away.

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:44 AM 6/22/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:00:30AM -0500, The Fool wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] How does one express a definite integral in ASCII? How about: /1 | f(x) dx /0 What if f(x) is (x - 1/2)^-2? Terminal: ô õ ³

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:18:20AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: What if f(x) is (x - 1/2)^-2? /1 | (x - 1/2)^-2 dx /0 or / 1 / 1 | dx | 2 /( x - 1/2 ) / 0 -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Jean-Marc Chaton
* John D. Giorgis [Sat, 21/06/2003 at 22:10 -0400] Can somebody help me out here? It seems that there are two basic types of people, albeit with some gradations, and hence, two types of Brin-L'ers. These people are essentially those who believe in God, and those who do not. I don't think

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:31 AM 6/22/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:18:20AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: What if f(x) is (x - 1/2)^-2? /1 | (x - 1/2)^-2 dx /0 or / 1 / 1 | dx | 2 /( x - 1/2 ) / 0 which has a singularity at x = 1/2

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:55:33AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which has a singularity at x = 1/2 . . . There are an infinite number of ways of interpolating that statement. I'm afraid your humor does not differentiate you from the limited number of satire-impaired people who have smoothly

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:54:13AM -0500, The Fool wrote: I said to use terminal. Actually, you didn't. You wrote terminal which is ambiguous. Besides, you didn't answer the question, did you? The question clearly stated ASCII. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:15 AM 6/22/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:55:33AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which has a singularity at x = 1/2 . . . There are an infinite number of ways of interpolating that statement. I'm afraid your humor does not differentiate you from the limited number

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Ritu
John D. Giorgis wrote: Why is this? Some devout atheists get impatient and angry. Same as devout believers or agnostics or don't-cares. Is it some inherent correlation with non-belief in God that causes one to react like a Neanderthal against those who profess a belief in God? No

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Erik Reuter asked: Alberto! Where you been? :-) Rio de Janeiro Alberto Monteiro, the neo-humour-challenged ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:29 AM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58:55PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: If history were

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: Re: Math protocol question On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:55:33AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which has a singularity at x = 1/2 . . .

Howard Dean insults Rwanda

2003-06-22 Thread Medievalbk
In regards to today's Meet the Press: The first thing you should do, if you're going to state that there's no need to remember the name of the ambassaor of every second class country, is to actually state the name of a second class country. I can see the demonstrations now At least he

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:58 PM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: My father is dead and I talk to him in my prayers. Does this mean that I accord my father the same status as God? I pray to the saints for intercession. Does this make them gods? Doctrine says no, but also implies that praying to dead people may

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
I guess I shouldn't have assumed this, but I do believe the rosary is one of the most important parts of Catholic ritual, and that's why I mentioned it. I would say an important, rather than most important.For example, it is possible to be a good Catholic, and never say the rosary - unlike,

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:29 PM 6/22/03 -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 06:58 PM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: My father is dead and I talk to him in my prayers. Does this mean that I accord my father the same status as God? I pray to the saints for intercession. Does this make them gods? Doctrine says no,

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:47 AM 6/22/2003 -0500 Ronn!Blankenship wrote: We may be talking different languages here, but I'm still trying to understand why (if I'm understanding correctly at all) Catholics would _need_ to have Mary pray for them? Does the Catholic church teach that ordinary people do not have

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Someone wrote (sorry, it's sometimes hard to keep track of attributions) IIRC, at least two ex-girlfriends also recited the 'Hail Holy Queen'. I remember thinking it was a nice prayer and asked one of them to teach it to me. So is adding it in an accepted variation of the standard Rosary or were

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Erik Reuter asked: Alberto! Where you been? :-) Alberto helpfully replied: Rio de Janeiro Alberto Monteiro, the neo-humour-challenged Well, it's good to see you making an appearance back here in virtual-land! Reggie Bautista _ STOP

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Kevin wrote: But I argue for religious tolerance, which most anti-religious people lack. A plaque on a wall isn't going to hurt me. A manger scene on the town square doesn't send me into fits. I don't care. Heck, it brings happiness to people, then let it be. This world can use more happiness.

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
rob wrote: Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get things done for you. G It's quite a different meme than the ones that are found in most protestant sects, but it has been with the catholic church long before the protestant reformation. I would think that it has

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Gautam wrote: Why isn't anyone discussing this? I first read the first four Harry Potter books when my wife's German grandmother who lives and works in Spain came for a visit and gave my wife and me the British editions. There really aren't that many differences, a word here, a phrase there,

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Ronn! wrote: One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone else to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray to Mary and ask her to pray to God for them? Why cannot reason that person pray directly to God? (Serious question, not meant as any sort

Re: Bear Vitals

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: Has anyone here read _Vitals_, by Greg Bear? Any recommendations? Jim Bertrand replied: Yes. I enjoyed it. Over all I would put it into the lower middle of the Bear works. Not as good as the Darwin books. How would you say it compares to _Heads_, if you've read that one? (I thought

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: 2) The word used for brother can also mean cousin. So the siblings to which the bible refers are probably a combination of cousins and half-siblings from Joseph's first wife. Rich replied: Wouldn't those be step-siblings, Jesus' father being God and all? Technically, I suppose, yes :-)

Re: Scouted: Chrissy Caviar

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Jon wrote: Okee Dokee. Can't even begin to fathom the logic behind this one: http://www.chrissycaviar.com/ccaviar/ A woman who is creating 'caviar art' using her own eggs. Click on the General Information link at the bottom of the page for more info. Some artists have had a thing for a while

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:55 PM 6/22/03 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote: Ronn! wrote: One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone else to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray to Mary and ask her to pray to God for them? Why cannot reason that person pray directly

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Jan Coffey
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can somebody help me out here? Yet, it seems that people who believe in God, at least on Brin-L, seem perfectly capable of discussing non-belief in God in a calm and civilized manner. In contrast, the people who do not believe in God, or at

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:36 PM 6/22/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Atheists tend to be a rather logical lot (whether you agree with their logic is another matter) and when they perceive a religious person (especial one who is an intellectual or a scientist) having such illogical beliefs it can get quite annoying. To

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: To which I have to respond that if anyone had witnessed and experienced what I have witnessed and experienced, the only logical result would be to believe. Of course not.

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:07 PM 6/22/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: To which I have to respond that if anyone had witnessed and experienced what I have witnessed and experienced, the only logical result would be to believe. Of course not. The

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:28:11PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: those events, you have nothing but my word on them. If you wish to find out whether or not I am telling the truth on this matter, you will have to find out on your own. Nonsense. You are describing something absurd. If you

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-22 Thread William T Goodall
On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 12:20 am, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Why isn't anyone discussing this? Anyways, it's marvelous. Rowling has, once again, surpassed herself - this one is even better than the last. My dear old dad had his copy ordered so he could pick it up on Saturday. And by way of

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/21/2003 7:46:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Add to that another bit for those that can count, and those that can't, and you have 42 types of people Alberto Monteiro Don't Panic William Taylor

Return questions

2003-06-22 Thread Dan Minette
Catching up. - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Plonkworthy? Nice to have you back. Thank you How was the cruise? It was good. The service on the cruise ship was

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 21 Jun 2003 at 21:33, Michael Harney wrote: As for religious people willing to discuss non-belief in God, I would argue that is an anomoly due to insufficient sample. I have met zealots in my lifetime who think that if someone is an athiest it is a deep personal insult and the athiest

Re: Return questions

2003-06-22 Thread Steve Sloan II
Dan Minette wrote: I've got pictures, but not a website. If Steve is willing, I can send him a couple. Absolutely. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages

Re: Bear Vitals

2003-06-22 Thread Jim Bertrand
Reggie Bautista wrote: How would you say it(Vitals) compares to _Heads_, if you've read that one? (I thought _Heads_ had some very interesting ideas, but was overall pretty disappointed.) It has been awhile since I read Heads. I would say Vitals is better. But I have liked everything I

Neanderthal Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread David Hobby
... How dare you say Neanderthal! That's Neandertal. Greg Bear spells it Neandertal. Robert J. Sawyer spells it Neanderthal. Tal is German for valley. It used to be spelled Thal, and that's preserved in some place names. So either should be fine, but Julia's right, one

thermodynamics

2003-06-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
Anyone want to try and crack this one? I was a little cold and had glanced at my house thermostat. It was 18C. I also looked at my indoor/outdoor therm, it was 70F outside. It was just at dusk. Now three hours later it's 22C inside and 65F outside. I actually put my hand on the radiators to

Re: thermodynamics

2003-06-22 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: Anyone want to try and crack this one? I was a little cold and had glanced at my house thermostat. It was 18C. I also looked at my indoor/outdoor therm, it was 70F outside. It was just at dusk. Now three hours later it's 22C inside and 65F outside. I actually put my hand on

Re: thermodynamics

2003-06-22 Thread David Hobby
Kevin Tarr wrote: Anyone want to try and crack this one? I was a little cold and had glanced at my house thermostat. It was 18C. I also looked at my indoor/outdoor therm, it was 70F outside. It was just at dusk. Now three hours later it's 22C inside and 65F outside. I actually put my hand on

Re: Neanderthal Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/22/2003 8:54:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tal is German for valley. It used to be spelled Thal, and that's preserved in some place names. So either should be fine, but Julia's right, one should say tal. It's like L'Hospital, the

Re: thermodynamics

2003-06-22 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/22/2003 9:17:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I attribute it to the fact that I often close the windows at night. Then the heat stored in the walls can move to the air in the house. Try living in a house where every wall is covered in